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    Quote Originally Posted by Norns View Post
    i cant even get to the second floor
    Me neither, so this entire thing is a bit lost to me..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norns View Post
    i cant even get to the second floor
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    Me neither, so this entire thing is a bit lost to me..
    It's not difficult, it's just not laid out for you anywhere, is all. You'll read this and go "oh, is that all?"

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    so I wonder if we'll get any answers to these theories in the new revealed games.
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    Untill now but I'm not sure I feel there is a Pokemon hidden in there just like what was going on in HGSS..


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    Quote Originally Posted by NoToRiousBrawL View Post
    Untill now but I'm not sure I feel there is a Pokemon hidden in there just like what was going on in HGSS..
    ...except that we know for a fact that there's nothing hidden in there in B/W.


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    I still stand with my theory the Ruins are linked to N...
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    This probably won't happen but in BW2 it could rise out of the ground similar to the Plasma Castle in BW1 and be used as a secret hideout?

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    So with Black and White 2 and Kyurem's new forms, and the info that Kyurem "absorbs" Reshiram and Zekrom's energy to transform...

    King defeated Reshiram/Zekrom alone.
    Reshiram/Zekrom joined King in a day.
    King called two (?) beings.
    King is hope and future.
    The great King Kyurem.

    With a little tweaking, this could actually make sense. The movie, while not wholly reliable, calls Kyurem the most powerful Dragon type, which would denote his status as king. Kyurem also absorbs energy from the other two dragons, which would show one of them allying with him to create Black/White Kyurem. The ③ and ④ symbols are swapped in Black and White, which would also carry over to Black and White 2.

    Kyurem could defeat one Zekrom and ally itself with Reshiram to create White Kyurem in White and White 2, while the opposite happens in Black and Black 2. I think it's a plausible theory, but more information on Kyurem would make it clearer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grei View Post
    Or, possibly, Tornadus and Thundurus.



    Me too. :/ It apparently was translated within a week of the game being released.



    This is what I'm thinking, that it's a prophecy, not so much a legend (unless history is repeating itself).



    But then, if 6 is Kyurem, wouldn't that mean that Kyurem is king, and that it defeated one Dragon and was joined by the other?

    I think King is a person, and that 6 could also be a name... not of a Pokemon, but of a person. Possibly the player? 3 would be Reshiram in White and Zekrom in Black, while 4 would be Reshiram in Black and Zekrom in White. I have no clue what 5 can be, it sounds like it's a plural word, and it has to be relating to Pokemon or something else that doesn't have an English counterpart. So maybe... it's relating to a specific group of Legendaries? The Dragon trio? Pokemon in general?
    But 5 must be pokemon and 6 is a hint to B&W 2 king being kyurem!

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    That is pretty cool. My favorite myth is the one about the muskedeers.
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    Does the ruins even have a background story?
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    I was so dissapointed by the Abyssal Ruins. No legendary, no Pokemon at all, impossible to get around. Worst. area. ever
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikey1701 View Post
    No legendary
    Who said there was going to be one?

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    impossible to get around
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    Worst. area. ever
    Except for, you know, the important items it gives you, half of which can be sold for insane amounts of money.


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    Completely dissapointed now, i was sure in B/W that the ruins were linked to the regis! because of the fact you NEEDED to get to an event or accsess to R/S/E or to someone who has one of the above!

    Though it still has an air of mystery to it..


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    i think i think get it here goes: so Kyurem defeated Reshiram/Zekrom respectively then absorbofused with the other dragon it didn't fight with e.g. joined king in a day. King callied three beings which either means the three names it goes by (White Kyurem Black Kyurem and Kyurem) or the three incarnate/therian forme genies or even the three musketeers to help the "king" made hope and future stopping the brothers battle with Reshiram/Zekrom. Finally it says the great king im guessing its either Kyurem or the king ruling over the ruins at the time if you have completed B/W 2 it sort of fits together. The three main historical buildings could be the birth places of some of the legendary pokemon whether its the genies or other legendary pokemon. hope this makes sence but i did think about it looking at most of the posts

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    After reading the Abyssal ruins article on Bulbapedia, I found out the decoded cipher and text, and became interested in the meaning. Using this post from another forum as a basis, I've come up with the following solutions to at least parts of the text's meaning:

    Possibility 1.

    See the 8 dots in the last verse? What word logically fits in there, and would have 5 syllables in Japanese version?(in the thread from where the post is, there is a translation of the JP text, but with the matching number of dots according to their phonetics)

    Harmonia fits best. So, the past king has a name. The text refers to a past series of events. Ghetsis claims the Harmonia lineage by taking the name as his surname. Falsely or truly, I do not know. The king might've been able to save some people from the flooding of the area, as some have said in their theories. Some were doomed though. They decided to write a chronicle of events, to praise the king's deeds. In code, so that no ordinary chump can get the treasure.

    Now, the first 2 lines contain 5-letter words. To me, Truth and Ideal fit best. They are what the brothers and their respective dragons represent. So, Harmonia beat one of them, and so the other deemed his power too convincing to keep on fighting. Peace and harmony were established, and Unova was saved. Third verse may be completed with ˝human˝ or even ˝three˝, perhaps implying that help of the Musketeers in stopping the war was needed. Their Pokedex entries do mention a war.

    Kyurem may indeed just be a life-deprived byproduct of the separation of the original Dragon, forced to eat humans to survive. I also view it as a frame of sorts, that needs to be filled with content. Like Reshiram or Zekrom. It may, by itself, represent empty dreams. Although, the theory of Kyurem acting as King(by maz1276) might work...but the Musketeers are a necessary component for this.

    So, the B/W player just mimics certain actions of Harmony, but not all(obviously, he can't save anyone from waves, or beat the opposition alone). He is worthy enough to get access to the treasure, though. If this theory is correct, then the poem is one big moral about the importance of harmony and coexistence.

    Full text with filled gaps:

    King defeated Truth/Ideal alone
    Ideal/Truth joined King in a day
    King called human/three beings
    King is hope and future
    The great King Harmonia

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    Possibility 2.

    This time, the 8 dots are actually Landorus. Although, Harmonia might fit in too, for a certain reason which I will explain.

    Landorus watches over his brethren Tornadus and Thundurus, who are prone to fighting. While they fight, massive storms and waves could rage. Now, in the anime, it is said he has already broken them up once, in old times. Could they have sunk the area that is now Abyssal Ruins? Certainly easier than Reshiram and Zekrom could've done, with fire/electricity. It could have been that either Landorus himself was the King, or the King had his help in restoring harmony and peace. Again, he was unable to save the now-present undersea ruins. The part about the purpose of the code and who wrote it applies here too.

    Landorus had to establish harmony, to save Unova. To do this, he had to beat Tornadus and Thundurus. And so, he is Harmonia too, in a way. Although, then the Truth/Ideal don't fit in the first 2 verses well. Genie may work, possibly even for the 3. verse.
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    Thanks for translating the riddles of Abyssal Ruins. Maybe now i can find my way through.

    My favourite Unova myth is the one about the Legendary Hero, and how an ancient dragon pokémon split into Reshiram and Zekrom. Makes me wonder what that pokémon looks like.
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    This thread is still alive? ._.

    Got my own little theory.

    The king, is actually the so called Original Dragon.

    King defeated Truth/Ideal alone it surpressed either one
    Ideal/Truth joined King in a day The other joined
    King called three beings It split into three, Kyurem, Zekrom, and Reshiram
    King is hope and future Hope equaling the hope to keep nature intact, and future equalling technology
    The great King *Insert name of OD here* Should be explanatory by now.

    Farfetch'd, but it's my theory on it.


    Also, I like the entire Relic Castle thing, on how it had Volcarona, Darmanitan and Sigilyph as guardians, and it almost seems prophesized to sink into the sand, as if it was destined to happen.

    Got another theory thing.

    The Relic Castle, Abyssal Ruins, and Dragon Spiral Tower were a set. Relic representing Land (as it is inside Land) and the Past, Abyssal representing Sea (It's underwater) and Future, and Dragon Spiral representing Sky (it's the tallest structure in Unova) and present. The three, past, present and future representing Reshiram, Kyurem and Zekrom respectively. Reshiram was brought to Relic Castle with his brother, Zekrom was broughtto the Abyssal Ruins with his brother, and Kyurem either A. Went to Dragon Spiral on it's own, or B. It came wioth a third brother.

    After the war brought out, and the Swords of Justice stopped it, the three went back to their stones, and as a sign of peace, Zekrom was brought to Relic Castle, only later to be found in the Nacrene Museum. Reshiram was brought over to the Abyssal Ruins, which is where Team Plasma later found them (also explaining where they might have gotten the crown from the intro from). And Kyurem, either A. Fled to a place near the Giant Chasm, attempting to fly up, but then to crash into the ground, forming the Giant Chasm, or B. Came with the third brother, who brought it near there, but was unable to contain it in it's stone form (the God Stone), and the huge force that unleashed it caused the Giant Chasm.


    There are my theories.

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    I'd like to plug in my own theories here I posted on Tumblr back in July. I'll provide you guys with the links for the two posts.

    http://bentheechidna.tumblr.com/post...2-theorization
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    For a summary of what I think on the Abyssal Ruins and the legend of the brothers:
    The brothers originally ruled from Dragonspiral Tower when it was more than just a tower but their castle, and ruled with the original dragon, which came down as a comet near Lacunosa town. As they fought, they split their dragon in two, into Reshiram and Zekrom. The corpse, Kyurem, being without the energies that fueled it, returned to the only place it knew, the landing site of its comet. The brothers fought endlessly and abandoned Dragonspiral in favor of their own castles. The winner ruled from the ocean, the loser ruled from the desert. After the brother of the ocean won the fight, he laid his brother and brother's dragon to rest in his castle in the desert, to be discovered later by researchers and the dragon to be brought to the Nacrene museum. The winner went on to rule the Unova region from Dragonspiral tower, and laid his dragon to rest in Dragonspiral tower so another such conflict would never arise again.

    I believe that the Kami trio were called upon to aid the winner in cleaning up the damaged land(Thundurus and Tornadus "rampaging") and Landorus was called upon to reseed any areas that had lost their vegetation. The anime also provided more clues that support this theory. The reveal glass is found in the Abyssal Ruins by Giovanni. The winner may have called down the Kami trio, and then used the reveal glass to change their form so they could more powerfully clean up the region, as well as be under the control of the winner.

    I also believe that the Muskedeers were protecting pokemon during the brothers' war, and that they knew the castle very well as one of the two places they teach Keldeo Secret Sword is the Moor of Icirrus which is very near Dragonspiral.

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    My theory: N's ancestors had a royal bloodline and passed down a crown from generation to generation. So, N's great-great-great-great......grandfather was the king in the "prophecy" and had Kyogre or maybe some other legendary pokemon as his partner. (I think it's Kyogre because Kyogre is an ancient pokemon and the place is ancient). When the two princes had their fight and the single dragon beast split into two forms (Reshiram and Zekrom), that was way after the Abyssal Ruins era. I believe the single dragon pokemon was the one who joined N's ancestor and fought alongside them to battle other pokemon which probably went extinct. (Evil pokemon which went extinct). I also think that Kyurem comes later in the story and destroys the Abyssal palace, thus turning it into the Abyssal ruins. I also think the crown is the one which was supposed to be passed down from generation to generation but, was left there in the attack made by Kyurem. Then, in present times, Ghetsis gave N a fake crown which he forged himself to make N seem as if he was needed, when, really he was using him to rule the Unova region. Back to the past, after a couple years, the single dragon pokemon got into the trouble between the two princes and it split into two and wreaked havoc on the entire Unova region. Kyogre returned back to the Hoenn region and then some pokemon used the land to create Groudon, thus creating an enemy or equal to Kyogre. I also think all the legendary pokemon started out in the Unova region and then were separated into all the different regions, creating homes for them in the land and water. The Sacred Swords, the legendary Dog Trio, the Spirit Trio, Bird Trio, all came into existence afterwards. And then, the one who wrote the prophecy was........ either Lugia, Kyogre, or Slowking (strangely appears every time theres a prophecy).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unkingdude25 View Post
    My theory: N's ancestors had a royal bloodline and passed down a crown from generation to generation. So, N's great-great-great-great......grandfather was the king in the "prophecy" and had Kyogre or maybe some other legendary pokemon as his partner. (I think it's Kyogre because Kyogre is an ancient pokemon and the place is ancient). When the two princes had their fight and the single dragon beast split into two forms (Reshiram and Zekrom), that was way after the Abyssal Ruins era. I believe the single dragon pokemon was the one who joined N's ancestor and fought alongside them to battle other pokemon which probably went extinct. (Evil pokemon which went extinct). I also think that Kyurem comes later in the story and destroys the Abyssal palace, thus turning it into the Abyssal ruins. I also think the crown is the one which was supposed to be passed down from generation to generation but, was left there in the attack made by Kyurem. Then, in present times, Ghetsis gave N a fake crown which he forged himself to make N seem as if he was needed, when, really he was using him to rule the Unova region. Back to the past, after a couple years, the single dragon pokemon got into the trouble between the two princes and it split into two and wreaked havoc on the entire Unova region. Kyogre returned back to the Hoenn region and then some pokemon used the land to create Groudon, thus creating an enemy or equal to Kyogre. I also think all the legendary pokemon started out in the Unova region and then were separated into all the different regions, creating homes for them in the land and water. The Sacred Swords, the legendary Dog Trio, the Spirit Trio, Bird Trio, all came into existence afterwards. And then, the one who wrote the prophecy was........ either Lugia, Kyogre, or Slowking (strangely appears every time theres a prophecy).
    Good theory you got there.

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    I have a theory of my own...... ITS JUST A THEORY SO DON'T GET ON ME IF I PUT SOMETHING YOU DON'T LIKE!! Ok you already know the story of the original dragon pokemon if you dont just look it up because i'm not telling you it. XD So on the first floor you see all the arceus plates. Which most likely means Arceus is involed in this. This is where my theory comes in:

    King defeated ③ alone.
    ④ joined King in a day.
    King called ⑤ beings.
    King is hope and future.
    The great King ⑥.


    Look at these national pokedex numbers.


    Arceus 493 or Reshiram 643

    Zekrom 644

    Landorus 645

    Kyurem 646


    Now read it:



    King defeated Arceus (Reshiram) alone.
    Zekrom joined King in a day.
    King called Landorus beings.
    King is hope and future.
    The great King Kyurem.

    Theory two:

    Most of us think the king is a pokemon but that may not be true. The place is called Abyssal Ruins right? What if it was a castle before? After all RUINS! Who would want to rule Unova from underwater (Pokemon has nothing to do with atlantis) Read this mythology about unova:




    In mythology, Unova was created by uniting the warring peoples of the land by twin heroes. They used a single dragon sometime more than 2500 years ago. The brothers started to argue over their beliefs; the elder brother sought truth and the younger brother sought ideals. Their arguments split the single dragon into Reshiram, who sided with the older brother, and Zekrom, who sided with the younger brother. Since they were both born from the same dragon neither could defeat the other and the brothers declared that there was no right side. However, eventually their sons continued the fight and both the dragons started to battle again, destroying the Unova region with their fire and lightning powers before disappearing.

    Sometime after the original dragon had been split into Reshiram and Zekrom, one of the two brothers and their respective dragon created the Relic Castle, which was the seat of a new civilization for people and Pokémon.

    Also at an unknown point in the distant past, a civil war broke out in Unova that caused an intense forest fire. The many Pokémon that lived in the forest became trapped, though luckily the Swords of Justice came in to save them—Terrakion moved away boulders that blocked their escape route, Virizion used its nimble movements to protect Pokémon from looming flames, and Cobalion led the scared Pokémon out of the forest. These Pokémon would later become responsible for ending the war before disappearing into myths.

    According to Lacunosa Town legend, a long time ago, a large meteor came from the sky containing a terrifying monster. It was said that at night, the monster would appear in the town along with the cold winds and take away humans and Pokémon to eat them. The residents of the town surrounded Lacunosa Town in a wall to keep the monster out, and a rule was then set on the town that forbade anyone from leaving at night and encouraged people to stay in their homes. While residents no longer believe this old story, they still stay inside of their houses at night to this day. The legendary monster, Kyurem, was really a remaining third Pokémon created when the primordial dragon had split into two.

    A legend says Thundurus and Tornadus once raced across Unova, tearing up the lands with their respective weather-controlling powers, not caring about settlements and creatures in their path. Landorus, seeing the massive destruction the pair had brought to the region and its inhabitants, is said to have punished them so that they would never repeat their actions.

    Meloetta once entertained the people of Unova with song and dance, but when sorrow filled the hearts of people, Meloetta lost this melody and its red shoes.


    3,000 years prior to the events of Pokémon Black and White, the Relic items were created.
    2,500 years prior to the events of Pokémon Black and White, the Relic Castle was flourishing and the Darmanitan in front of it went to sleep.
    200 years prior to the events of Pokémon Black and White, Village Bridge was constructed after the local river burst its banks, flooding the settlement that stood there previously.
    100 years prior to the events of Pokémon Black and White, the warehouses of Nacrene City were constructed.
    100 years prior to the events of Pokémon Black and White, Klink started appearing in Chargestone Cave.
    50 years prior to the events of Pokémon Black and White, Elgyem was seen for the first time when it appeared from far in the desert.


    Now with all of that I think the king is human. In the Dragon story there were two sons. In the anime the two sons are princes and the father is a king duh. So maybe once Reshiram and Zekrom parted Kyurem was made. The king found Kyurem and decided to rule with it to make up for losing his sons along with the dragon NOTE: He found kyurem before they were fight and started to rule with it during the fight. Then unova was destroyed turning the abyssal ruins well into ruins. Kyurem then ran to giant chasm, claiming the life's of people and pokemon. Thats when peoplee got sad and when meloetta lost its red shoes. Thats during the time people started fighting and when keldeo lost its parents. Genesect also has something to do with this as well i think. When you look at genesects entry on black and white it says it was alive 3,000 years ago when the relic items were created. Off topic but in the anime the king of another place had victini with him right? Could that be the desert resort where his kingdom was? Or prehapes kyurem was the original dragon pokemon and fought itself whether or not it should fight for truth or ideals. Then truth and ideals were taken out of him. After all kyurem is grey. Reshiram is white and Zekrom is black. You combine black and white grey= Kyurem. Pokemon grey on 3ds and mystery gift event anyone? There is no way yet to know but there will be in pokemon grey but we can keep making theorys to know more about all of this.

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