Battle Subway Discussion & Ranking Hall~ Now With Singles Team Building Guide!

[Simipour]

nah. dragon pulse gets neutral coverage on everything that isn't steel type and gets stab from latios' typing, two things which ice beam can't do. tbqh i don't think the set needs ice beam that much but with the alternative being psychic idk what else could go in there. probably psyshock? something like that or just leave it as it is. a defensive move could go in too i guess and with proper support calm mind could maybe work but i'm not sure because of the megaoffensive team )which probably needs seeing to anyway).

psyshock over psychic if you already have dragon pulse

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Getting haxed pretty badly. its still early on so it hasn't resulted in a loss. Stone edge missing 3 times in a row. Being fully paralyzed 3 times in a row. those a 1 in 125 chance and 1 in 64 chance respectively. both within two matches. i will not survive.

[Larry]

^ Wow me being paralyzed only 3 turns in a row is a miracle.

[terrytorterra]

so i'm trying to get up a streak with my sun team right now, but i wanted some help on my team,
can i post here?

[Larry]

so i'm trying to get up a streak with my sun team right now, but i wanted some help on my team,
can i post here?

Make your own thread in this section.

[Dragontamer1011]

I think I found a potential bug in the BS. I noticed alot of pokemon like to spam EQ at Dragonite and other moves that don't affect flying types quite alot. What really led me to think this is a glitch is that Clefable (I think) used thunderbolt on Dragonite and it was not very effective, and then Thundurus used Sky Drop which did nothing. There must be something wrong with the programming on certain battles where it doesn't register Dragonite as a flying type to the AI or for the purpose of damage Dragonite was treated as plain Dragon. The same Thundurus also used an electric attack, but it was neutral which leaves me to believe only certain things trigger this weird glitch.

[jolteon135]

I think I found a potential bug in the BS. I noticed alot of pokemon like to spam EQ at Dragonite and other moves that don't affect flying types quite alot. What really led me to think this is a glitch is that Clefable (I think) used thunderbolt on Dragonite and it was not very effective, and then Thundurus used Sky Drop which did nothing. There must be something wrong with the programming on certain battles where it doesn't register Dragonite as a flying type to the AI or for the purpose of damage Dragonite was treated as plain Dragon. The same Thundurus also used an electric attack, but it was neutral which leaves me to believe only certain things trigger this weird glitch.

You sure you didn't use roost before the Clefable used Thunderbolt? Do you have a battle video showing it?

EDIT: There's no Clefable in the Subway unless you meant the Wi-fi subway.

[Vandslaux]

Does HO really work in the Subway? I'm thinking Azelf/Cloyster/Haxorus.

[Dragontamer1011]

You sure you didn't use roost before the Clefable used Thunderbolt? Do you have a battle video showing it?

EDIT: There's no Clefable in the Subway unless you meant the Wi-fi subway.

Wait, so roost removes the flying type?! I thought it just made the user land, not remove the type.

*EDIT* Moved it to singles RMT thread

[poopoop]

Wait, so roost removes the flying type?! I thought it just made the user land, not remove the type.

Anyway, I'm having some trouble in the BS. I'm wondering if this is normal or I should change my team around. First loss was due to Choice Band Archeops which I have no remedied. Second loss was due to Gigalith which had sturdy and explosion. Killed Dragonite, then exploded Starmie. I beat him with Extreme Speed but Hippowdon EQed Lucario. Third loss was due to a lucky freeze hack, so thats nothing. My recent loss was due to Trick Room, how do I deal with that? Just kill the pokemon that might have it quickly?

yup it removes the entire flying type away for that turn

[Dragontamer1011]

Any advice for my problems in BS though?

Also, as for the EQ users on Dragonite, whats the explanation there? Golem has to have a different attack yet he keeps using EQ, same with alot of other pokemon.

[Vandslaux]

^Is it the SR + Automomize set? I don't know if any sets carry Stone Edge.

[Dragontamer1011]

^Is it the SR + Automomize set? I don't know if any sets carry Stone Edge.

Ah, yes, that was it. Too bad, with Stone Edge it could have done fairly well. Instead it got EQed by Dragonite, heh.

[Larry]

Does HO really work in the Subway? I'm thinking Azelf/Cloyster/Haxorus.

Yeah that's how I got my 74 Win Streak. Dragonite/Haxorus/Porygon_Z

Any advice for my problems in BS though?

Also, as for the EQ users on Dragonite, whats the explanation there? Golem has to have a different attack yet he keeps using EQ, same with alot of other pokemon.

I've had Haxorus use EQ on my Dragonite multiple times.

[Dragontamer1011]

Yeah that's how I got my 74 Win Streak.
I've had Haxorus use EQ on my Dragonite multiple times.

Idk if its intentional as if they're waiting for a Roost, the AI is just stupid, or theres a glitch in the AI programming.

[jolteon135]

Doubles Record: 111

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Leads:
Terrakion @ Wide Lens
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Speed
-Rock Slide
-Earthquake
-Sacred Sword
-Protect

Whimsicott @ Focus Sash
Nature: Timid
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Sp. Def / 252 Speed
-Beat Up
-Cotton Spore
-Charm
-Helping Hand

This Combo is truly amazing. Most of the battles were ridiculously easy. +4 Terrakion destroys most of the Subway. The only time I had problems was against faster opponents particularly when faced with 2 faster Pokemon. I those cases I have to hope for some luck with protect or predict the opponent will do something stupid.
Anyways, Rock Slide is the main move w/ 99% accuracy, Earthquake is for coverage and Sacred Sword is mostly used against curse/Iron Defense Pokemon. Usually I let them use curse/Iron Defense while I faint their partner and then I finish them with Sacred Sword.

The Cleanup Crew:

Scizor @ Choice Band
Nature: Adamant
Ability: Technician
EVs: 92 HP/252 Atk/160 Sp.Def/4 Speed
-Bug Bite
-Aerial Ace
-Superpower
-Bullet Punch

This guy saves the day all the time. He works amazingly well beside Whimsicott. Helping Hand boosted Bullet Punch destroys so many things before they can make a move. He also faints Ice-Types to protect his Partner Latios.

Latios @ Life Orb
Nature: Timid:
Hidden: Fire | Power:70
EVs: 4 HP/252 Sp.A/252 Speed
-Dragon Pulse
-Drago Meteor
-Psychic
-Hidden Power

Another beast. I've made mistakes before and lost Terrakion before it could do anything but Latios always saves the day. :)
 

Comment on Team:
2 faster opponents is pretty much the only thing that stops this team. Trick Room Slowbro is problematic too but Scizor/Latios can handle him and stall out the Trick Room. Tangrowth can survive a +4 (helping hand boosted?) Rock Slide but after a charm or two its Power Whip shouldn't be too frightening. Claydol also hard counters that set but Claydol is no threat.

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Lost:
I had a battle video uploaded but it got deleted. Can't remember much but it started off with me against Heatran/Latios.

Turn 1: Terrakion used protect | Whimsicott used Cotton Spore on Latios | Heatran used Magma Storm on Whimsicott | Latios used Calm Mind | Whimsicott faints from Magma Storm trapping damage.

Turn 2: I sent in Scizor | Scizor used Bullet Punch on Latios | Heatran used Magma Storm on Scizor | Terrakion used Sacred Sword on Heatran (Heatran survives with low HP :() | Latios used Luster Purge on Terrakion (Terrakion fainted)

Turn 3: I sent in Latios as my last Pokemon and the opponent still had 4 Pokemon so no way I was going to win. I think I KO'd the Latios and Heatran but then Zapdos fainted my Latios.
 

Comment on losing match:
If I went for the usual Beat Up/Rock Slide combo on the first turn, I would have won but I didn't want to risk being outsped by Latios. I think I made the most logical play there. Sending in Scizor was where I made the stupid play. If I sent in Latios I could have KO'd the opposing Latios with Dragon Pulse and left Heatran at low HP with Terrakion's Sacred Sword. Then Zapdos would come in and I could Rock Slide/Dragon Pulse for the double KO and take care of the opponent's last Pokemon.

*sigh* Idk what happened to my brain there. I'll probably retry this team eventually to see if I can squeeze out a better streak. I'm almost certain that with a little luck I could have gone another 100+ battles.

[Larry]

Idk if its intentional as if they're waiting for a Roost, the AI is just stupid, or theres a glitch in the AI programming.

Stupid, yet incredibly lucky.

[Vandslaux]

I've been getting back into the Subway with my old team. I just completed the first 7, wish me luck! (And I forgot to put Thunder over T-bolt on Latios. Forgetful me.) Should I swap out Latios for a Specs Jolteon? Any suggestions?

Politoed @Choice Scarf
Timid
Drizzle
4 HP/252 Sp. Atk/252 Speed (252 Speed actually happens to outspeed base 130s by one point)
Surf
Ice Beam
Focus Blast
Hyper Voice

Ferrothorn @Chesto Berry
Sassy
252 HP/4 Def/252 Sp. Def
Curse
Rest
Power Whip
Gyro Ball

Latios @Dragon Gem
Timid
4 HP/252 Sp. Atk/252 Speed
Draco Meteor
Thunder
Surf
Psyshock

OR

Jolteon @Choice Specs
Timid
Volt Absorb (immunity to T-Wave is pretty nice on a speedy pokemon like Jolteon, and I can switch in on Electric attacks aimed at Toed for free healing)
4 HP/252 Sp. Atk/252 Speed
Thunder
Shadow Ball
Volt Switch
??? (No HP)

However, this leaves me even weaker to Superpower TTar. My only defense against it is changing the weather with Toed and killing it with Surf.

[Dragontamer1011]

Stupid, yet incredibly lucky.

I guess they'd be way too overpowered if they were both smart and lucky O_o

[Vandslaux]

The Subway AI is way luckier than the Tower AI. I've gotten a 91 streak on my SS with Latias/Suicune/Scizor.

[Dragontamer1011]

So I've been researching and number crunching and I've found all the major threats to Dragonite which have been written down. Now I can deal with all of them except for two of them with which I need luck... As Lucario resists both Ice and Rock (.25) AND has CC, hes my normal switch in. Only problem is the damage negates Focus Sash.

*EDIT* What I figured out is that the only possible way Lucario can survive switching into Stone Edge and taking an EQ is with the 50% Berry. This will allow him to follow up with Extreme Speed on a Sturdy/Focus Sashed opponent. Curious if that could work.. But then it leaves me vulnerable to Fire and Fighting if somehow Dragonite and Starmie are taken out.

Lucario- Adamant- @Focus Sash
Steadfast- 252 Atk/ 252 Spe/ 4 Hp
-Swords Dance
-Close Combat
-Crunch
-Extreme Speed

Choice Band Archeops will always lead with Head Smash due to my Dragonite being in, so I switch to Lucario. Even though its double resisted, it will hit for 48%-64% damage to him, which basically means I have no way to kill this dang thing... If that wasn't bad enough, Lucario's Close Combat (252 EV/ 31 IV/ Adamant) is 94%-104% of his hp.. I considered Metagross with Bullet Punch, but that still only does 90% damage. Basically if he leads I'm screwed, or I need to get super lucky...

Custap Berry Sturdy Gigalith is the second biggest threat due to his stupid berry. If I switch in Lucario, and hit him with Close Combat, he outspeeds ALL of my pokemon. I could follow up with Close Combat but Focus Sash won't work due to the Stone Edge damage from the switch. My only real choice is to use EQ and then when Dragonite Faints switch in Lucario and CC. Or maybe switch if Dragonite survives the Stone Edge. Usually, though, if his health is low, hes gonna explode. Bullet Punch solves this problem, as it would take out his remaining HP if Dragonite did enough damage.

Also, for my Rain team, should I take into account other pokemon with Swift Swim? I've come across Kingdra with it, and it mopped the floor with me on my Single Train playthrough... Even with a Timid nature and 252 Speed EVs Seismotoad barely outspeeds Kingdra in the rain (By like 4 Speed points O_o).