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    This topic is over the usage of Tyranitar. Not how many people use it but how it is being used.

    It's almost like people are ignoring it's great offensive stats just because it is a weather starter. I'm seeing more and more defensive T-tars and Utility T-tars and close to no DD tyranitar or choiced Tyranitars. It saddens me a bit to see him not being used as the powerful physical sweeper/stallbreaker he was meant to be when first released in GSC.

    I'm by no means saying using the standard weather lead sets is wrong. I'm saying it's wrong not to consider using it like the powerhouse it is. If sandstorm doesn't fancy you then his DW ability Unnerve is not bad at all and with it he is no longer limited to his role as a sandstorm starter and can be used more offensivley like in previous Generations. Some weather starters like Politoed and Abomasnow are meant to be stuck to their weather starter jobs but Tyranitar has potential beyond that. Does anyone share my views?
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    Mine is a sweeper. I often switch him in, not even realizing consciously that he changed the weather, and have a kind of "oh yeah, haha" moment when my opponent is forced to take two turns to switch back in their Politoad/Ninetails again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkerones View Post
    This topic is over the usage of Tyranitar. Not how many people use it but how it is being used.

    It's almost like people are ignoring it's great offensive stats just because it is a weather starter. I'm seeing more and more defensive T-tars and Utility T-tars and close to no DD tyranitar or choiced Tyranitars. It saddens me a bit to see him not being used as the powerful physical sweeper/stallbreaker he was meant to be when first released in GSC.

    I'm by no means saying using the standard weather lead sets is wrong. I'm saying it's wrong not to consider using it like the powerhouse it is. If sandstorm doesn't fancy you then his DW ability Unnerve is not bad at all and with it he is no longer limited to his role as a sandstorm starter and can be used more offensivley like in previous Generations. Some weather starters like Politoed and Abomasnow are meant to be stuck to their weather starter jobs but Tyranitar has potential beyond that. Does anyone share my views?
    the difference between scarftar and spD tar is that one counters latios and the other checks him

    dd tar is bad because of scizor and conkeldurr. and even excadrill, and the ironic thing is how tar forces that one on himself.

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    Well there are 2 sets that easily stand out among the others in todays metagame.

    Those are the specially defensive set that is used for more weather reliant teams that need sand to work well and the other is his scarf set that is more for teams that need weather but aren't totally reliant on it. Scarftar is really incredible since he can easily revenge a lot of annoying threats.

    Anyways he can run a band set pretty well but that doesn't work very well this gen and neither does a DD set due to the power increase and the predominance of mach punch
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    Scizor, Skarmory, Breloom, Terrakion, Virizion, Excadrill, Scarf Landlos, CONKLEDURR and others are so common now that running a frail DD Tyranitar means more often than not you will not sweep anything.

    Specially Defensive TTar is good for taking on Lati@s who are ENORMOUS threats.

    But still Tyranitar has other uses now. Choice Scarf Tyranitar still checks a bunch of stuff. Sub / Dark Pulse / Fire Blast / Focus Punch "Tyraniboah" is still good. Choice Band Tyranitar can work, especially Specially Defensive. Dragon Dance is good but its probably the least viable common TTar set in OU right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Harvest View Post
    Scizor, Skarmory, Breloom, Terrakion, Virizion, Excadrill, Scarf Landlos, CONKLEDURR and others are so common now that running a frail DD Tyranitar means more often than not you will not sweep anything.
    But most of these are so common due to Ttar... There is the possibility that someone could use a toxic stall Ttar or b-pass in speed + attack boosts so that all (with the exception of breloom if you toxic stall) of these pokemon were rendered useless... You could also band it just for revenge killing with pursuit or something else.

    Ttar outclasses hippowdon as it can actually do somthing. Even if it doesn't do it very often. Ttar gives boosts to other pokemon as well, and there aren't any sandstorm restrictions by tiers, this is why it's #2 on usage lists.
    Quote Originally Posted by asterat View Post
    Tyranitar isn't bad, it is just that hippowdon is better. He can slack off, stealth rock and EQ and be fine. Tyranitar can stone edge and ohhhh. T-tar was KOed by a fighting move
    Ice moves and switching. Two very common things.

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    The same can be said with Politoed and Ninetales; they're only OU because of their DW abilities, and they will most likely not use them for offensive purposes.

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    ecadrill is a pretty good sweeper...

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    He's weak to two common priority moves: Mach Punch and Bullet Punch. People dont like him being as frail so they dont lose him to Breloom, Conk, Metagross, Scizor, etc. When hes bulky, he still has excellent offensive stats, which is why so many people run that.
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    I do realize that Conkeldurr and Scizor an the like stop it cold (and btw with Unnerve Excadrill doesn't get the SR boost and with a DD T-tar outspeeds it) but all I'm saying is it shouldn't be stuck doing just the weather jobs.


    Tyraniboah was a favorite of mine and the Speccially defensive DD set Blue harvest mentioned sounds appealing. I remember the Choice Scarf Tyranitars in DPP that almost made me wanna rage quit,I don't see ANY of that anymore. Politoed and Ninetales are stuck to their weather sets because they can't do anything outside of that! Tyranitar can fill in several niches that I believe nobody is taking advantage of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkerones View Post
    (and btw with Unnerve Excadrill doesn't get the SR boost and with a DD T-tar outspeeds it)
    How does Unnerve stop SR? I thought it just prevented the opponent from using berries.

    I have the most random TTar set I made back when I first got into competitive battling and had no idea what I was doing: Choice Band w/ Payback, Avalanche, Thunderpunch, Earthquake. It's not amazing obviously but also not as terrible as it sounds, at least in my limited experience with it on PO (works great in Battle Tower/Subway though ).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuddlebuns View Post
    How does Unnerve stop SR? I thought it just prevented the opponent from using berries.

    I have the most random TTar set I made back when I first got into competitive battling and had no idea what I was doing: Choice Band w/ Payback, Avalanche, Thunderpunch, Earthquake. It's not amazing obviously but also not as terrible as it sounds, at least in my limited experience with it on PO (works great in Battle Tower/Subway though ).
    I meant by using unnerve you wouldn't be providing the sandstorm for Excadrill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkerones View Post
    I meant by using unnerve you wouldn't be providing the sandstorm for Excadrill.
    True, but most people using Excadrill will set up sandstorm themselves.
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    I hate the sand stream ability, so I'm going to have to use the DW ability. Tyranitar is a great Pokemon though.
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    I think Tyranitar with Unnerve is great. It has a great potential to show up on Rain and Sun teams and surprise the foe. I also run a defensive version of Unnerve Tyranitar as a counterpart to Shedinja in Rotation Battles, but that takes a lot of prediction.
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    the problem with not using sand stream tyranitar is you don't instantly get +1 spd, which means you can't come in on latios at all, in addition to not being able to control the weather. and with the lack of pinch berries you really only nullify resist berries and lum berry, neither of which are really used i believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by otaku-dono View Post
    and with the lack of pinch berries you really only nullify resist berries and lum berry, neither of which are really used i believe.
    Using Unnerve over Sand Stream isn't to prevent your opponent from using berries, it is simply because it is not Sand Stream. It could be literally anything so long as it wasn't Sand Stream and it would fit this purpose. The point is to bluff Sand Stream in the preview screen, like bluffing a Choice item.

    That said, resist berries aren't terribly common, but they are used somewhat. The Lum berry is quite common however.

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    DDtar is bad because of priority and Excadrill, and there's pretty much no way you can set up a dragon dance safely since they'll just switch Scizor / Conkeldurr / Excadrill / Breloom in. Unlike last generation where Tyranitar could run a dd set with fire punch and a babiri berry to deal with Scizor and not be worried about priority.

    Tyranitar is useful mainly for setting up rocks, sandstorm, and countering Latias, Latios and Reuniclus.

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    Can people stop suggesting Unnerve>Sandstream?

    It's an idiotic choice which serves no purpose. Bluffing a Sand team? What the hell does that achieve? All it does is make your opponent think they have to get themselves into a weather war, only to realise you're being an idiot and not running the main beneficial aspect of Tyranitar this generation.

    Many people have stated in this thread that Sandstream is almost a necessity on TTar these days - it allows it to check Latios, and the fact it can support your team with weather is one of the main reasons it's actually used at all this Gen. Without Sandstream, Tyranitar would be a mediocre, mid/low OU Pokemon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoignantLyrics View Post
    Can people stop suggesting Unnerve>Sandstream?

    It's an idiotic choice which serves no purpose. Bluffing a Sand team? What the hell does that achieve? All it does is make your opponent think they have to get themselves into a weather war, only to realise you're being an idiot and not running the main beneficial aspect of Tyranitar this generation.

    Many people have stated in this thread that Sandstream is almost a necessity on TTar these days - it allows it to check Latios, and the fact it can support your team with weather is one of the main reasons it's actually used at all this Gen. Without Sandstream, Tyranitar would be a mediocre, mid/low OU Pokemon.
    I have to agree with this. TTar gets the SpecDef boost in the sand, so removing it in such a specially-based environment where Focus Blast and Hydro Pump are rife is a bit stupid
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoignantLyrics View Post
    Can people stop suggesting Unnerve>Sandstream?

    It's an idiotic choice which serves no purpose. Bluffing a Sand team? What the hell does that achieve? All it does is make your opponent think they have to get themselves into a weather war, only to realise you're being an idiot and not running the main beneficial aspect of Tyranitar this generation.

    Many people have stated in this thread that Sandstream is almost a necessity on TTar these days - it allows it to check Latios, and the fact it can support your team with weather is one of the main reasons it's actually used at all this Gen. Without Sandstream, Tyranitar would be a mediocre, mid/low OU Pokemon.
    Quote Originally Posted by hallstromjr View Post
    I think thats the best description..I mean, Fighting is everywhere. There's A LOT of mono fighting teams, not to mention all the Pokemon carrying a fighting move. Thats why we need Sandstream T-tar, for that SpD boost. Unnerve Tyranitar ccould be a surprise, but once they figure it out... *coughsneezemachpunchsneezecough* sorry, had something in my throat.


    okay,so sandstorm helps Tyranitars special defense,but makes it unusable on anything that isnt a sandstorm team. so thats why people use Unnerve,cuz its not Sand stream,and no,it isnt idiotic to choose a Pokemon with great stats as a wallbreaker and then avoiding its ability that may hurt the rest of the team.

    . Metagross has very similar stats to Ttar and DOESNT provide any sort of weather and Earthquake is also,"everywhere" in OU and more people are starting to run Fire moves on things to counter steels,does that mean it isnt used? NO,in fact,i myself am running a Metagross as part of my offensive core.
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    Tyranitar isn't bad, it is just that hippowdon is better. He can slack off, stealth rock and EQ and be fine. Tyranitar can stone edge and ohhhh. T-tar was KOed by a fighting move

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    Quote Originally Posted by asterat View Post
    Tyranitar isn't bad, it is just that hippowdon is better. He can slack off, stealth rock and EQ and be fine. Tyranitar can stone edge and ohhhh. T-tar was KOed by a fighting move
    The only similar purpose they serve is to initiate Sandstorm. If you had cared to do any research of the sort, you'd notice Tyranitar is higher in usage than Hippowdon, with good right.

    Hippo was KO'ed by Grass Knot, Hydro Pump, Draco Meteor. TTar lived all these.

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    Theybhave different purposes.

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