Since DK doesn't want a full flawless Kanga...
Who wants an Adamant 31/31/31/31/31/31 Scrappy Kangaskhan?
As of right now, I would like a Quiet 31/31/31/31/31/x No Guard Honedge. Just PM/VM me what you have if I have other things I'm intrested in (:
A Voltturn team with MegaGar sounds fun. The only issue as a trapper is that it has to Megavolve first before it can trap anything. Kanga is pure deadliness. It at least has the bulk to switch in to about about anything at least once.
I remember back in gen 5 where people would plot to switch in against something which didn't affect Chandelure's fire/ghost typing,then,having freedom to spam Calm mind,substitute / flame charge,then proceed to sweep a team with two moves.
Mega Gengar on the other hand...
130 base speed - basically,it moves before anything else.
170 base sp.atk - look at that.170.When you have that kind of power,who needs SE moves?
At least Chandelure had a slight speed issue.
This would be nigh un-counterable in the first place,but shadow tag really rubs salt in the wound,meaning that regardless of fact that you have a (counter-if that's even the word) or not, it will kill the opponent without them having any control over the matter.
And correct me if I'm wrong,but does that not remove the element of skill in what is essentially a strategy game?
Though, I suppose I am a bit biased when comparing the two. Both my gen 6 teams carry Sableye, so I've never experienced any problem with Kanga at all.Even if it runs a modest nature, it still moves before everything.130 base speed - basically,it moves before anything else.I'll put more emphasis on this.And correct me if I'm wrong,but does that not remove the element of skill in what is essentially a strategy game?
Competitive pokemon is all about checking and countering. Likewise, the ability to swap out is very, very important. It's the reason VoltTurn is such an amazing strategy, and Smogon even recommended baton pass on a Celebi set that didn't even have any stat boosting moves. At least with threats like Choice Band Terrakion in gen 5 you can predict it's move and swap in, but with Gengar, this is impossible.
Last edited by Zachmac; 30th November 2013 at 1:49 AM.
Let's start a trend, guys!
Smogon is already discussing a possible ban of Gengarite, and it is very likely to happen, and should happen, without question, imo.
Gengar has unreal SpA and is able to take out a LOT of things.
Spoiler:- Everything in OU not OHKO'd by Mega Gengar after SR:
Everything not 2HKO'd
252 SpA Mega Gengar Focus Blast vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Blissey: 248-292 (34.7 - 40.8%)
252 SpA Mega Gengar Shadow Ball vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Gastrodon: 132-156 (30.9 - 36.6%)
252 SpA Mega Gengar Shadow Ball vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Hippowdon: 142-168 (33.8 - 40%)
252 SpA Mega Gengar Shadow Ball vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Tentacruel: 136-162 (37.3 - 44.5%)
252 SpA Mega Gengar Sludge Wave vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Assault Vest Goodra: 90-106 (23.4 - 27.6%)
I don't want MKanga to be banned soon :c
I still have never used it
If it does, I guess I'll stick with Mega Mawile
You also have to keep in mind that it cannot "2HKO on the switch" either. Most/Some of what you posted OHKO's with a move commonly carried by it. Everything bar Teanta (unless it starts carrying Knock Off even though it can't knock off Gengarite) can easily KO it back. The fact that it cannot 2HKO on the switch hurts it a little, but I would agree it is broken I just enjoy using it too much.
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I kill Kangaskans and Mega Gengars easily, but only because I'm dueling the bottom of the barrel 24/7. As I get higher in the ranks, I find it harder to stop these two. I'm also seeing a big decrease in the use of Talonflame.. Why? It's very effective! If people stop using it, I'll use it.
Its probably because Mega Blaziken is banned that Talonflame has a little let use now, besides in the beginning I did always pack an Check for it
and I am sure alot of others did aswell, so there goes his popularity. Don't get me wrong though, it still has its beauty I guess.
And I don't think Talonflame is as godly as people make it out to be. It's great and all, but I don't think it justifies it's use on practically every team. It carries several weakness, mediocre stats outside of speed, and relies on recoil moves as it's primary STAB - not good for a x4 stealth rock weak pokemon.
To me, at least, it seems this bird needs a lot of support to work out, which is easier now that we have the defog buff I suppose, but I still think it's being overhyped just a tad bit.
Edit: Made a VolTurn team the other day. I started testing it, and next thing I know, it's turned into a stall team with not a single VoltTurner on it. Oh, how the testing phase can change a team.
Though I don't think I've had a change like that since the team that transitioned me from a noob to an experienced player.
Last edited by Zachmac; 30th November 2013 at 7:43 PM.
This makes Golurk/Gliscor/Gyrados a good team partner, as Bullet Punch/Iron Head do little, and CC/Extreme Speed do nothing to Golurk, and little to Gliscor and Gyrados. Just work out the little niche with Stealth Rocks, and you have a deadly finisher.
Last edited by Remorph; 30th November 2013 at 7:58 PM.
I want to make a team with Excadrill+Talonflame. Excadrill lures in Rotom and KOs it with Mold Breaker EQ and spins Rocks. It also threatens Tyranitar, Talonflames two hard counters. I still lack motivation to do anything with this core as of yet, but it will happen eventually...
I'd suggest this set for Excadrill, outpaces 220 Speed Rotom-W (the fastest you'll see on a non-scarf set), max Attack, and rest in HP.
Excadrill (M) @ Air Balloon
Ability: Mold Breaker
EVs: 44 HP / 252 Atk / 212 Spd
- Iron Head
- Stealth Rock
- Rapid Spin
Does anyone have a compiled list of the most used pokemon as of now? I want to learn it, and plan for it.
Smogon forums will have monthly updates of the most used Pokemon.
So xat decided to die. Not our xat, ALL the xats.
Last edited by The DragonKnight; 1st December 2013 at 1:18 AM.
Did Xat just decide to up and die?
Stealth Rocks are not that big of a problem, but they are still a problem. You have to find a spot for a spinner on your team(even though this has gotten a little easier with the defog buff). After that, you have to keep said spinner/fogger from going down, else your opponent still can set up stealth rocks.
I haven't actually tried this thing myself though, so I might actually be wrong. It's just...I haven't really had any problems with this thing at all. It's a great check to offensive teams, no doubt, but not something that is absolutely needed; there are plenty of viable choice scarf users and set up sweepers running around to compete with it.
Edit: So, this random passerby just offered a trade with me. I decided to accept, and next thing I know, I'm being pounded with pokemon with their ideal natures/abilities. He also accepted everything I offered in return.
I kept trading with him until I ran out of competitively bred pokemon of my own, because I felt guilty offering anything else to him. But now at least, I've got a really good head start. I'm going to go check out their IVs.
Edit2: All 4V, though most would prefer to be 5V, such as their imperfect speed Fletchling. They're obviously leftovers from breeding, but they still have almost ideal IVs, ideal natures, and egg moves, so they're all great starting points. Plus an egg. Still waiting to see what that hatches into.
Edit3: The egg hatched into DragonPulse/AuraSphere Squirtle. Fitting, since I gave him a DD/Outrage Charmander for that. x/x/31/31/31/31. And lucky, lucky me, it's a female.
I'm in a really good mood about all this.
Last edited by Zachmac; 1st December 2013 at 6:09 AM.