Non-competitive trainer's hangout mk. III

[Blaziken10285]

Well, I have multiple things to say.

1. I have defeated Dracoburn and obtained my first elite symbol, so only 3 more people standing between me and the champion.

2. Do we even have a champion? What happens when someone gets there?

3. Feral, how many more people do you beat in battle to get to the champion?

4. The final main chapter of The Galactic Files, The Last Battle... Maybe is now up. If you have ever wanted to read it, now would probably be a good time!

[Glover]

So, I'm a smart alec and I have to say this:

1) congrats
2) Good question
3) ALL OF ZEM!!!!

[Feralninja]

3. Feral, how many more people do you beat in battle to get to the champion?

4. The final main chapter of The Galactic Files, The Last Battle... Maybe is now up. If you have ever wanted to read it, now would probably be a good time!

3. Just Tysuya. He's been busy in his personal life, so I'm not in much of a rush.

4. I swear, I'll get around to reading that at some point...

[Glover]

Stimulating conversation:

Really? Keldeo's getting a new forme? We still don't have his OLD forme. Let's give Pidgey a new form too, while we're at it, everyone else is getting one. Genesect? Anyone remember him? We're getting three dorky looking forme for the Genies, who were just fine as they were (concept intrigning, execution lacking) And we still don't have the EPIC CANNON knock off Scizor Pokemon.

Don't get me wrong, I prefer Girtatina's Origin forme to him having legs. Meloetta tying up her hair to dance? was cool too. And I really like what they're hinting about Kyruem, but at this point his forme changing gimmick is going to lose its specialness because every time someone sneezes they change their shape.

Or maybe it's just me. I;ll go back to proofing my next chapter now.

[Blaziken10285]

Stimulating conversation:

Really? Keldeo's getting a new forme? We still don't have his OLD forme. Let's give Pidgey a new form too, while we're at it, everyone else is getting one. Genesect? Anyone remember him? We're getting three dorky looking forme for the Genies, who were just fine as they were (concept intrigning, execution lacking) And we still don't have the EPIC CANNON knock off Scizor Pokemon.

Don't get me wrong, I prefer Girtatina's Origin forme to him having legs. Meloetta tying up her hair to dance? was cool too. And I really like what they're hinting about Kyruem, but at this point his forme changing gimmick is going to lose its specialness because every time someone sneezes they change their shape.

Or maybe it's just me. I;ll go back to proofing my next chapter now.

Yeah, I think they should be a bit more exclusive with form changing. They could have made the new Genie forms legendary Pokemon for a different generation. The only way Keldeo should get a new form is if he became the size and maturity of the other Musketeers and stops trying to pull off the "My Little Pony" theme. Meloetta, being Music related, I like her/it/?. I don't know if she/it needed a form change though. The type change is pretty cool though, especially with the types my gym has/will be (Psychic and fighting). I still want to know more about Kyruem before I judge the forms. Don't get me wrong, I think the forms look awesome, there are still a lot of questions that have yet to be answered. How does it change? Can it change back and forth? And that's the end of my rant.

By the way, if you need me for the next week (Sunday to Sunday) I'll be out of town and don't know how available the wifi will be. We'll see I guess!

[Glover]

here it is, guys. My regular Sunday treat.
http://www.serebiiforums.com/showthr...2#post14670302

You may be happy to know, that I am three chapters ahead if my self, although I hesitate to call them truly finished but the bulk of the work is done. I'd like to have a revised version of Chapter 4 done as well tomorrow, we'll see how that one plays out.

[Feralninja]

Stimulating conversation:

Really? Keldeo's getting a new forme? We still don't have his OLD forme. Let's give Pidgey a new form too, while we're at it, everyone else is getting one. Genesect? Anyone remember him? We're getting three dorky looking forme for the Genies, who were just fine as they were (concept intrigning, execution lacking) And we still don't have the EPIC CANNON knock off Scizor Pokemon.

Don't get me wrong, I prefer Girtatina's Origin forme to him having legs. Meloetta tying up her hair to dance? was cool too. And I really like what they're hinting about Kyruem, but at this point his forme changing gimmick is going to lose its specialness because every time someone sneezes they change their shape.

Well, after looking at the (rather uninformative) Corocoro scan, I get the impression that Keldeo's new form will be item based, kind of like Shaymin and Giratina. Stat-wise, it seems like it will take some of Keldeo's monster special attack and put it into physical attack. Or at least, that's what the giant saw-toothed horn seems to suggest. It is most likely supposed to represent d'Artagnan's coming of age and maturity throughout the narrative of The Three Musketeers.

Now, I like the idea behind Melotta, and I don't think it should get the whole BW2 form overload backlash (because there have been like 3 thread on this in general discussion lately). We already knew it would have a form shift, and it's done via a move, which is unique.

Now, the kami... not saying I agree with the form changes. In fact, I do think they're excessive. But think for a moment. The original kami trio was based off a warring duo of japanese oni, and Landorus was based on the fertility god(ess?) Inari. This is a distinctly eastern flair. Now, the new kami are mezoamerican. Don't believe me? Tornadus's new form is supposed to represent an eagle. Landorus is a jaguar. And Thundurus is Queztacoatl, the winged serpent. All of these are either gods or sacred animals in Mayan mythology. Because Unova was supposed to represent the United States, I think this is at least a little fitting.

[Mug]

I have yet to see the new forms of Keldeo and the kami trio, I'm waiting for BW2 to come out. I like surprises.

So given that I can't give much of an opinion, I'll simply provide these numbers for you guys:

Region: -------------------Kanto-----Johto------Hoenn-----Sinnoh------Unova
# of Legendaries: ------Five---------Six-------Seven------Fourteen*--Thirteen^
Legends with formes: -Zero--------Zero-------One---------Three#----Seven^

*Including Phione and excluding Rotom
^Including Genesect
#Including Arceus

As you can see, the numbers have all gone up exponentially. Discuss!

[Blaziken10285]

I have yet to see the new forms of Keldeo and the kami trio, I'm waiting for BW2 to come out. I like surprises.

So given that I can't give much of an opinion, I'll simply provide these numbers for you guys:

Region: -------------------Kanto-----Johto------Hoenn-----Sinnoh------Unova
# of Legendaries: ------Five---------Six-------Seven------Fourteen*--Thirteen^
Legends with formes: -Zero--------Zero-------One---------Three#----Seven^

*Including Phione and excluding Rotom
^Including Genesect
#Including Arceus

As you can see, the numbers have all gone up exponentially. Discuss!

Then you can think about the non-legendary Pokemon with forms

Kanto: none, Johto: one (Unown), Hoennne (Castform), Sinnoh: five (Burmy, Wormadam, Cherrim, Shellos, Gastrodon), Unova: Four (Basculin, Darmanitan, Deerling, Sawsbuck)

Yup, the Sinnoh and Unova regions have really spiked the number of forms.

["Spite" DefaultAsAwesome]

Then you can think about the non-legendary Pokemon with forms

Kanto: none, Johto: one (Unown), Hoennne (Castform), Sinnoh: five (Burmy, Wormadam, Cherrim, Shellos, Gastrodon), Unova: Four (Basculin, Darmanitan, Deerling, Sawsbuck)

Yup, the Sinnoh and Unova regions have really spiked the number of forms.

Pichu and Rotom. (Pichu and spiky-eared Pichu, and you should already know about Rotom)
Anyway, all I noticed with Keldeo is a new horn and a bit of a mullet.

[Blaziken10285]

Pichu and Rotom. (Pichu and spiky-eared Pichu, and you should already know about Rotom)
Anyway, all I noticed with Keldeo is a new horn and a bit of a mullet.

Oh, oh, don't forget the Pikachu colored Pichu! In regards to Pichu, that isn't really a form change in my opinion. It was an event, and is just a special Pichu. Rotom? Hmmm, I guess I always classify it as a legendary Pokemon for whatever reason. Just one of my many quirks, haha!

And for Keldeo, I hope this is as Feral stated and the more mature older form. (It still has that childish face, but I digress...) I hope we get the rest of the body soo, to be able to judge it by more than it's face. It does seem though that this new one will be more physical based (the horn and how the Pokémon Sunday girl said something that suggested it being more battle-craving) and the form where he has surpassed the other three Musketeers in skill.

[Glover]

Oh, oh, don't forget the Pikachu colored Pichu! In regards to Pichu, that isn't really a form change in my opinion. It was an event, and is just a special Pichu. Rotom? Hmmm, I guess I always classify it as a legendary Pokemon for whatever reason. Just one of my many quirks, haha!

And for Keldeo, I hope this is as Feral stated and the more mature older form. (It still has that childish face, but I digress...) I hope we get the rest of the body soo, to be able to judge it by more than it's face. It does seem though that this new one will be more physical based (the horn and how the Pokémon Sunday girl said something that suggested it being more battle-craving) and the form where he has surpassed the other three Musketeers in skill.

Nope, Rotom's not a legendary, except in their own minds. Otherwise, I wouldn't be using one on my gym roster. Hee.

I think one thing that needs to be noted in the form change over the generations is that Kanto and Johto were part of a time when the games were limited in memory and functional capacity. The files, reference data, and everything in Gen 5 is leaps and bounds more expasive than what it was for Gen1 and 2.

And Nintendo doesn't seem to want to violate older gen characters unless its to add a new evolution stage. And I admire them for ssticking to what's set for the most part, while keeping things up to date.

I dunno, I may be biased, I like Rotom. And I like most of the form changes that have come out, because most of them have a reason. Castform was a gimmick to showcase the weather, whereas Rotom was just a gimmick with a cool backstory, and possibly a way to test the code for future form changes.

[Mug]

No qualms over here about Castform or Rotom. Castform was one of the first of its kind, a Pokemon that changes so freely in battle (we're not counting Kecleon, I see). Not to mention RSE were very weather-centric, it was only natural to have a Pokemon that could change based on the weather. Of course, Deerling came later, but I digress.

Rotom, having caught it in a television set, only makes sense that it could go into technology and screw around with it. It makes me wonder, though, that given its origin, why is there not a television forme?

And on another note, what about Pokemon with severe gender differences? Like Hippopotas and Frillish? Do they count for something?

[Blaziken10285]

No qualms over here about Castform or Rotom. Castform was one of the first of its kind, a Pokemon that changes so freely in battle (we're not counting Kecleon, I see). Not to mention RSE were very weather-centric, it was only natural to have a Pokemon that could change based on the weather. Of course, Deerling came later, but I digress.

Rotom, having caught it in a television set, only makes sense that it could go into technology and screw around with it. It makes me wonder, though, that given its origin, why is there not a television forme?

And on another note, what about Pokemon with severe gender differences? Like Hippopotas and Frillish? Do they count for something?

Other than bragging to your friend how you have a pink Jellicent while they have a blue one? To me that really isn't a form change, but because of gender differences. I see forms as something more than aesthetics is different or if it is only the looks that change then it has something to tie in with the games. (Unown: ..., Castform: weather in Hoenn is insane, Deerling/Sawsbuck: you have seasons in Unova)

[Glover]

Other than bragging to your friend how you have a pink Jellicent while they have a blue one? To me that really isn't a form change, but because of gender differences. I see forms as something more than aesthetics is different or if it is only the looks that change then it has something to tie in with the games. (Unown: ..., Castform: weather in Hoenn is insane, Deerling/Sawsbuck: you have seasons in Unova)

Yeah, that's basically it. We're talking more about Pokemon with an actual change in form more than we are gender (Frillish) or locational regions (Shellos, Basculin), since those don't actually change form. Keckleon? When did Keckleon get an actual forme change? I thought it was just his typing that changed?

When Rotom is encountered, the music is the same as legendary encounters, although it is not classified as one. Rotom is, to date, the only non-legendary Pokémon to do this.

With the exception of Unown and Spinda, Rotom has the most forms of any non-legendary Pokémon, with six in total.

Sorry, Moto, you just aren't as special as you'd like to think you are.

[Mug]

Wait, Shellos and Basculin do change forms. At least to me, they do. Does a "forme change" have to constitute a change in type, ability, or stats? Is that the criteria we're using?

With the exception of Unown and Spinda, Rotom has the most forms of any non-legendary Pokémon, with six in total

We aren't counting Spinda, are we? Sure, it has unlimited different appearances, but they aren't really forms?

Also am I the only one in shock that Feral changed his avatar?

[Feralninja]

I consider form changing or alternate forms as a significant change in both appearance and stats, or typing. Rotom, Darmanitan, Kyurem, Giratina, etc.

Also am I the only one in shock that Feral changed his avatar?

Hey, everyone needs a little chance once in a while. And new Cheren looks pretty awesome.

[Blaziken10285]

Wait, Shellos and Basculin do change forms. At least to me, they do. Does a "forme change" have to constitute a change in type, ability, or stats? Is that the criteria we're using?



We aren't counting Spinda, are we? Sure, it has unlimited different appearances, but they aren't really forms?

Also am I the only one in shock that Feral changed his avatar?

I also Basculin and sometimes Shellos. Shellos was a gimmic form Pokemon to me. Basculin, if you look on Serebii, has a different ability for each of its forms. Spinda is the Shellos of Hoenn: gimmicky but generally useless in a form aspect, or for me any aspect. If you count one as having forms you should also count the other.

[Glover]

I also Basculin and sometimes Shellos. Shellos was a gimmic form Pokemon to me. Basculin, if you look on Serebii, has a different ability for each of its forms. Spinda is the Shellos of Hoenn: gimmicky but generally useless in a form aspect, or for me any aspect. If you count one as having forms you should also count the other.

Ah, but see, I don't really. If yyou want to count Spinda as having formes, then we count Basculin and Shellos as having formes, then we should just bucket up all of the Pokemon who have gender differences. It's the same thing as Basculin coming in two flavors.

No, I'm simply talkinmg about Pokemon who can freely change from one form to another.

I consider form changing or alternate forms as a significant change in both appearance and stats, or typing. Rotom, Darmanitan, Kyurem, Giratina, etc.

Originally Posted by Mug

Also am I the only one in shock that Feral changed his avatar?

Hey, everyone needs a little chance once in a while. And new Cheren looks pretty awesome.

Agreed, much better than the dork from B/W. And it's fitting too, that your finishing your story HP and you change out the avatar of Cyrus holding what looks to me like an exploding Pen or a quill.

[Feralninja]

Does anyone have a dawn stone in a gen IV game they are willing to trade to me? The time has come to evolve my Sin team in SoulSilver, however, after playing the pokeathalon ad nauseum to get the dawn and dusk stones necessary to evolve Sin and Lisana into Gallade and Mismagius, I lack the drive to go again to get the dawn stone to get Thalia to Froslass. Any takers?