*Revamped RNG Discussion/Help Thread [Do not ask about Gen 6 RNG]

[dewey911p]

Did anyone here ever successfully RNGed for a certain ID number in Diamond/Pearl?
RNGReporter is extremely confusing; I get a seed for a delay of 6011, then when I enter that seed in Seed to Time, it says that seed is a delay of 5999?
Different versions give me different results all the time, and each time, the delay shown in Seed to Time is always different than the one shown in Pandora's Box.

Which one am I supposed to trust?

9.95 had a bug in Pandora's ox that where it wouldn;t return any results when you tried to search for your seed. Earlier versions of RNGR had a bug the wouldn;t return the right delay you would need to use. some version give different delays in the results window and time finder (use Timer Finder results). I would recommend using 9.96 A 17 as I just used that a few days ago to RNG my own ID on Platinum and it worked just fine. If you don;t have that version and cannot download it, you might have to use two different version of RNGR to finally get what you want. I use to use 9.81 and 9.95 to RNG my ID before I got 9.96 A 17.

[Pingouin7]

9.95 had a bug in Pandora's ox that where it wouldn;t return any results when you tried to search for your seed. Earlier versions of RNGR had a bug the wouldn;t return the right delay you would need to use. some version give different delays in the results window and time finder (use Timer Finder results). I would recommend using 9.96 A 17 as I just used that a few days ago to RNG my own ID on Platinum and it worked just fine. If you don;t have that version and cannot download it, you might have to use two different version of RNGR to finally get what you want. I use to use 9.81 and 9.95 to RNG my ID before I got 9.96 A 17.

Thank you very much, I will have to look into that.

[QuoteMaster]

Has anyone had problems with downloading EonTimer lately? For some reason, I can't get it to work anymore.

[Agonist]

This URL should work fine. If it doesn't work, you should probably post it in Toast's EonTimer thread over on Smogon.

[QuoteMaster]

This URL should work fine. If it doesn't work, you should probably post it in Toast's EonTimer thread over on Smogon.

Well I used the URL I think it might be a problem with my computer since the main RNG Reporter link for 9.95 BETA stopped working for me as well and had to use the MediaFire link.

Anyways when I try to use the RNG Reporter link for 9.81 to IDRNG it turns into RNG Reporter 9.93, will that still work? Also, is it possible to IDRNG without the use of EonTimer?

[joffice]

I'm having a bit of RNG trouble in 4th gen.

So I'm currently using RNG reporter 9.96 Alpha to which i used to id/sid abuse HG to get a couple shiny flawless spreads. However, when i try to RNG a stationary legendary Pokemon (there are no wandering npcs), the frame "skips" by 10 when i do the correct amount of frame advancements (which i've done multiple times). For example, the PID i want is on frame 114 and i advance the frame 113 times but when i capture the Poke, it's seems to be on frame 124 instead. I've tried this for a different amount of random frame advancements (say 100) and it works out completely fine (Poke is on frame 101). The only problem here is if i advance the frame 113 times, the Poke will not be on frame 114 after the encounter.

Any explanation of why that happens whenever i try to RNG for that specific PID?

[SakuraLatias]

I'm having a bit of RNG trouble in 4th gen.

So I'm currently using RNG reporter 9.96 Alpha to which i used to id/sid abuse HG to get a couple shiny flawless spreads. However, when i try to RNG a stationary legendary Pokemon (there are no wandering npcs), the frame "skips" by 10 when i do the correct amount of frame advancements (which i've done multiple times). For example, the PID i want is on frame 114 and i advance the frame 113 times but when i capture the Poke, it's seems to be on frame 124 instead. I've tried this for a different amount of random frame advancements (say 100) and it works out completely fine (Poke is on frame 101). The only problem here is if i advance the frame 113 times, the Poke will not be on frame 114 after the encounter.

Any explanation of why that happens whenever i try to RNG for that specific PID?

If you advance the frame 113 times, after the 10 Elm calls, then you predict that is on frame 124. Subtract 10 from 113. So you can advance 103 times, not 113. Hope this helps.

Onto my question, regarding Gen 5. Is it just me, or someone is having trouble breeding in B2/W2? I kept getting Relaxed nature, no matter what seed I use, even on a shiny seed. My Samurott (father), is flawless. Ditto (mother), has random IV's that I got a while back. Everstone is not on either parents. Should I let one of the parents hold the Everstone and/or have one of the parents should be international?

[joffice]

If you advance the frame 113 times, after the 10 Elm calls, then you predict that is on frame 124. Subtract 10 from 113. So you can advance 103 times, not 113. Hope this helps.

Oh, sorry i forgot to mention that the Elm Calls were accounted for within the 113 advancements already. So i count the Elm calls 10 times and advance the frame 103 times, but for some reason the encounter is on frame 124 and not 114. I've done this multiple times already so there's no way i did the frame advancements wrong but i have no idea why the RNG is acting like this.

Onto my question, regarding Gen 5. Is it just me, or someone is having trouble breeding in B2/W2? I kept getting Relaxed nature, no matter what seed I use, even on a shiny seed. My Samurott (father), is flawless. Ditto (mother), has random IV's that I got a while back. Everstone is not on either parents. Should I let one of the parents hold the Everstone and/or have one of the parents should be international?

Oh and to answer your question, I believe that the mechanics for egg rnging are different now for B2/W2 in which the first egg that you picked up will always be generated with exactly the same PID even after you try to rng that same exact egg again.

[SakuraLatias]

Oh, sorry i forgot to mention that the Elm Calls were accounted for within the 113 advancements already. So i count the Elm calls 10 times and advance the frame 103 times, but for some reason the encounter is on frame 124 and not 114. I've done this multiple times already so there's no way i did the frame advancements wrong but i have no idea why the RNG is acting like this.



Oh and to answer your question, I believe that the mechanics for egg rnging are different now for B2/W2 in which the first egg that you picked up will always be generated with exactly the same PID even after you try to rng that same exact egg again.

Try advancing 93 times.

Really? Time to RNG in W1 in breeding...

[joffice]

Try advancing 93 times.

Really? Time to RNG in W1 in breeding...

I've tried that already. For every other frame advancements i do (Elm calls accounted for and everything), i get the correct frame. When i advanced it 93 times, the encounter was on frame 94 and this happened for all the frame advancements that i've tried except for the frame that i am aiming for. >.>

Yup, you're better off RNGing in B/W instead of B2/W2.

[QuoteMaster]

I've tried that already. For every other frame advancements i do (Elm calls accounted for and everything), i get the correct frame. When i advanced it 93 times, the encounter was on frame 94 and this happened for all the frame advancements that i've tried except for the frame that i am aiming for. >.>

Yup, you're better off RNGing in B/W instead of B2/W2.

Yeah, in B2W2 it's easier to RNG in the Entralink compared to B1W1, however the trade-off was having egg RNGs nearly impossible on B2W2, so I would egg RNG primarily on B1W1 and Entralink RNG primarily on B2W2.

[Agonist]

Yeah, in B2W2 it's easier to RNG in the Entralink compared to B1W1, however the trade-off was having egg RNGs nearly impossible on B2W2, so I would egg RNG primarily on B1W1 and Entralink RNG primarily on B2W2.

don't forget that there are many more Timer0's in BW2, as well.

[Eeveelover824]

does anyone know if they fix the breeding side for rnging for bw2 cuaz some told me it harde and should i still rng all my stuff on black then transfer just asking?...man i haven't posted in awhile XD

[joffice]

Ok, so i'm still having trouble with RNGing in HG. So, I'm still trying to RNG Pokes with a Timid frame of 114, but when i advance the frame 113 times (Elm calls accounted for), it seems that I get a totally different PID (and not frame 124 as i mentioned earlier) with a Naughty nature. I've also tried this for other seeds with this same PID and i get the exact Naughty natured Poke as previously stated. However, all other PID's in the frame remain the same as seen in RNG Reporter, which is odd to why only this Timid frame is off. I've even tried RNGing for the other flawless (Modest) "paired" IV spread and that works out fine as well. Also, note that the PID for this shiny frame does not need a synchronizer and the same problem exists when i try to RNG Pokes with this PID using the Method 1 generation.

I've already RNGed a couple Pokes sometime last week in the same HG game with this Timid PID , but for some reason when I tried to RNG this week, I get a Naughty nature instead of Timid. Any suggestions on why my game is like this or did I do something wrong?

does anyone know if they fix the breeding side for rnging for bw2 cuaz some told me it harde and should i still rng all my stuff on black then transfer just asking?...man i haven't posted in awhile XD

Yeah, you should still egg rng on the original B/W games since with the new rng mechanics in B2/W2, it's extremely difficult to egg rng there.

[MSK]

Hi all haven't been here for ages, been so busy RNGing all the Wifi and instore events that haven't really had time to do much. But my US copy of White 2 arrives on Monday and I've already found my parameters on my Jap copy of Black 2. So my question is . . and apologies if this has been answered earlier but I'm too lazy to read all the previous pages lol . . . in the hidden hollows areas do the pokemon count as a Stationary RNG or is there something different to it.

[Agonist]

Stationary.

[MSK]

Brilliant, thanks Agonist. Do you know if they can be RNG'd shiny? I heard some people saying they couldn't. And also people are saying the gender is set when they are generated so the only thing you can RNG is the IV's and nature, is this true? Just so I don't waste time looking for a female to breed from if it's only ever going to be male.

[dewey911p]

Brilliant, thanks Agonist. Do you know if they can be RNG'd shiny? I heard some people saying they couldn't. And also people are saying the gender is set when they are generated so the only thing you can RNG is the IV's and nature, is this true? Just so I don't waste time looking for a female to breed from if it's only ever going to be male.

The hidden Grotto pokemon cannot be shiny if you RNG them in the Grotto (but the females can be bred of course) and the gender is set once the pokemon is generated, so once you walk into the Grotto and see the pokemon, it is already a set species and gender. However, iirc the most recent version of RNGR allows you to RNG not only the pokemon, but the grotto as well so you can control what species will appear and what gender it will be.

[MSK]

Ok cool, so I'll just pray for females, RNG them with couple of 31's then Breed for the shinies

[Shadow_Assailant]

Hey. Quick question. Is the process of TID/SID Abuse similar with Black 2 and White 2? I would hope it is, but considering that you can name your rival now, I figure it may differ.

And along the note of TID/SID abuse, is the process of saving to get a shiny starter still the same?

Can you use a Dream Radar seed to find a matching TID/SID pair that will give that seed?

[Typhlosion X]

Hey. Quick question. Is the process of TID/SID Abuse similar with Black 2 and White 2? I would hope it is, but considering that you can name your rival now, I figure it may differ.

And along the note of TID/SID abuse, is the process of saving to get a shiny starter still the same?

Can you use a Dream Radar seed to find a matching TID/SID pair that will give that seed?

It's the same as BW ID abuse, but starters can be tricky since there are WNPCs and there are more Timer0 values. As for the Dream Radar, I have no clue.

[Shadow_Assailant]

Uhg.... This White 2 Parameter searching is so hard! It's not working for me at all...

[Shadow_Assailant]

Has anyone tried TID/SID abuse for BW2?

[drothagreat0ne]

Hey Shadow_Assailant, perhaps this post by Chiizu can alleviate the parameters issue:

http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpos...55&postcount=4

[MSK]

Hey all, not sure if it's been covered but is it possible to RNG Dream Radar pokemon? As they are put straight in your PC box do they have to be RNG'd on the actual Radar game.
Does anyone have a guide etc? Also can they be shiny?