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    **** If anyone needs something to be added in here, please PM me a link or a copy of what needs to be added in. Im not active much anymore so I will update when I can ****

    THE NEW AND REVAMPED 5th GEN RNG HELP/DISCUSSION THREAD
    ***As approved by BobandBill
    *******Special thanks to Sweet May for getting this up and running in a timely manner ^_^
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    UPDATE! #3
    #1. We now have a nice Frequently Asked Questions section in post 2! Thanks to Jolteon135! If you have any questions about what you see in this first post or the guides posted make sure to take a peek there!

    #2 We now have a nice written guide for using PPRNG by Serebii's own Kaiser Soze! Thanks Kaiser! Its in post 4 if you scroll down just a bit or click the link below!

    #3 Standard seed manipulation is possible on all other DS hardware now!

    http://www.serebiiforums.com/showpos...22&postcount=4

    #4 Please discuss your finds in the Discuss My Pokemon thread - this thread is for getting help with RNGing and discussing RNG, not what you got from it.


    This thread is for discussion of and help with RNG manipulation in generation 5 Pokemon games. Discussion of legality or morality is not permitted.
    With the advent of Black and White, RNG manipulation is now easily done, and is growing increasingly popular with the Pokemon community.








    WHAT IS RNGING?

    It is the process of manipulating the in game Random Number Generator in order to boot the game at specific times to get specific Pokemon with specific stats and manipulate the game for abilities, shinyness, natures, and genders. It is completely legitimate, this is in no way hacking as the actual game does not interact with any external devices, and all you need is one of two programs for your PC or MAC to use. Check links below for the programs.


    Just like Gen 4, 5th Gen RNG does not require you to know your SID(Secret ID) as long as youre not trying to obtain Shiny Pokemon. However, in Gen 5 the non C-Gear method (the primary method used) of RNGing Pokemon does not require you to calibrate your timing with starting your game, and all you need to be able to do is start your game at a certain time- hitting that time within roughly a second to get the desired results.



    Here is a link to the OLD RNG THREAD: http://www.serebiiforums.com/showthread.php?t=514485
    *The original thread has a small FAQ which has a few useful explanations of RNG. However, reading through this post coupled with the video guides should be sufficient enough to get you well on your way.








    In order to use the Non C-Gear RNG method (Read on to understand what Non C-Gear RNG method means) of capturing and breeding Pokemon you will need the following:


    -Your DS Hardware.

    -Your DS’s MAC Address.

    -A Sweet Scent user.

    -If you want to manipulate for Shiny Pokemon, you will need to know your SECRET ID.

    -You must be far enough in the game to catch Pokemon that are high enough level to accurately check IVs (Victory Road can work, Giant Chasm is better). This is REQUIRED so you can find your DS parameters- which you need in order to even use your RNG program to function for manipulation!

    -A Chatot which has a custom Chatter message recorded. This allows you to more easily manipulate the PID RNG, and is highly essential for manipulating the PID RNG to prefered natures or Shiny Frames- which tend to be high.


    -The latest version of RNG reporter which can be found here http://bit.ly/mSCZRW
    *Credit to Omega Donut of Smogon for developing.
    OR for MAC users use PPRNG here http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=102901
    *Credit to Chizu of Smogon for developing.


    Optional:

    -If you want to manipulate for Shiny Pokemon, you will need to know your SECRET ID. Check the FAQ in post 2 for ways to find your Secret ID without Action Replay.

    *NOTE: ACTION REPLAYS WILL NOT WORK FOR ANY OF 5th GEN RNG MANIPULATION!
    *NOTE: C-GEAR MANIPULATION IS MUCH HARDER THAN MOST OTHER METHODS, AND IN MOST CASES INFERIOR TO NON-C-GEAR. LINKS AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS POST WILL PROVIDE INFORMATION ON HOW TO C-GEAR MANIPULATE THE RNG. C-GEAR MANIPULATION TAKES AWAY ALL CONTROL OF THE PID FRAME, SO YOU CANNOT CONTROL NATURES, SHINYNESS, GENDER, OR ABILITY.




    BASIC RNG TERMS:
    Familiarize yourself with the terminology of RNG manipulation.

    RNG:
    Random Number Generator.


    SID:
    Your Secret ID for your save file. It corresponds with your Trainer ID to determine which PID Frames will produce SHINY Pokemon.


    IV:
    Individual Value. This term corresponds to the “Genes” or “DNA” of a Pokemon which determines its maximum stat values it can achieve. HP(Hit Points), Attack, Defense, Special Attack, Special Defense, and Speed are all Individual Values.


    SEED:
    The hexadecimal value given to the start time or place within the Random Number Generator in which you are starting your game.


    (IV)FRAME:
    The area within the SEED in which your desired IVs are placed. (ADVANCED KNOWLEDGE)The IV frame for your SEED will always start on FRAME 1. All Pokemon EXCEPT EGGS, GIFTS and FOSSILS will have their IVs determined by FRAME 1. EGGS, GIFTS and FOSSILS IV FRAMES start on FRAME 8 due to the action of adding or removing a Pokemon from your party advancing the IV FRAME by 7.


    STARTERS are not included as gift Pokemon.
    ELEMENTAL MONKEYS ARE an example of a GIFT Pokemon.
    LARVESTA's EGG is unique and starts on FRAME 2***


    (PID)FRAME:
    These are the second type of Frame which assign Nature, Gender, and Shininess to each Pokemon. PID FRAMEs usually start anywhere from 30-60 for any given IV FRAME. For Wild Pokemon Encounters each PID FRAME has an Encounter Slot assigned to it, which determines which Pokemon you will find on that specific PID FRAME.


    SHINY FRAME:
    The PID FRAME which, when landed on, will produce a Pokemon which is SHINY. YOU MUST KNOW YOUR Secret ID in order to find these frames with either of the RNG programs. These frames are marked in RNG Reporter by a (!!!) or in PPRNG by a ().


    FRAME ADVANCEMENT:
    This is the process of manipulating the IV FRAME or PID FRAME you are currently on to get to your desired FRAME.


    DS PARAMETERS:
    These refer to specific cartridge and DS combination values that you MUST determine before attempting to RNG. RNG Reporter and PPRNG both have Parameter Finders to figure out what your parameters are for your personal DS and cartridge combo.


    TIMER 0(ZERO):
    A fluctuating value that every DS/cartridge combo has. Most retail cartridges only change between 2 values, and THERE IS NO WAY TO CONTROL THE FLUCTUATION. But you must figure out which TIMER 0 is more common by using the parameter finder, and then use that TIMER 0 in your RNG Program of choice to find your SEEDS. IT IS HIGHLY RECOMMENDED YOU WRITE THIS DOWN OR KEEP IT IN A DOCUMENT FOR FUTURE REFERENCE OR PROGRAM UPGRADES.


    V FRAME, V COUNT, GXSTAT:
    These are static or consistent values you will find out when using the parameter finder. These will NEVER change for your specific cartridge and DS combination so again, IT IS HIGHLY RECOMMENDED THAT YOU WRITE THESE DOWN OR KEEP IT IN A DOCUMENT FOR FUTURE REFERENCE.


    SSF:
    SHIFTING STARTING FRAME: This is the frame which you determined to be your starting PID FRAME for the SEED youre using in an area where NPCs advance your PID FRAME.


    NPC:
    Non Player Characters. There are NPCs littered throughout Unova which will augment PID FRAME advancement. In areas where these are located, you must determine your starting frame manually by hitting your SEED a time or two, and adjusting your FRAME advancements accordingly.


    Here is a list of all areas that DO NOT HAVE NPCs:

    Wellspring Cave (1F-B1F)
    Rumination Field (For the sake of being thorough)
    Relic Castle (1F-B6F)
    Lostlorn Forest
    Chargestone Cave (B1F)
    Celestial Tower (3F-5F)
    Twist Mountain (Cave with Exit to Icirrus City)
    Route 17*
    P2 Laboratory*
    Mistralton Cave (2F-Guidance Chamber)
    Dragonspiral Tower Entrance (North of Icirrus City, not the area with the bridge)
    Dragonspiral Tower Interior (1F-2F)
    Route 9
    Route 10 (South of Victory Road; the third area of the Badge Check Gates)
    Victory Road (1F1, 1F2, 1F3, 2F2, 5F, 7F)
    Victory Road (Exterior)
    Trial Chamber
    Marvelous Bridge
    Giant Chasm (Outside)
    Giant Chasm (Outer Cave)
    Giant Chasm (Inner Cave; including Kyurem’s Cave)
    Challenger’s Cave (1F)

    ADVANCED RNG TERMS AND KNOWLEDGE OF BASIC RNG TERMS:


    C-GEAR AND ENTRALINK MANIPULATION:

    -This method of RNG manipulation uses the C-Gear feature. The C-Gear reSEEDS the IV FRAME once turned on, and keeps the PID FRAME advancing at a constant rate. For more about C-Gear or Entralink manipulation use the links located at the bottom of this post.


    IV FRAME ADVANCEMENT:
    -The IV FRAME is advanced by walking 128 steps with 1,2,3,4,5 or 6 Pokemon in your party to advance the IV frame from 1 to 2,3,4,5,6, or 7 respectively. This can be done infinitely to advance your IV FRAME E.G. you need to get to frame 9 so you walk 128+128 steps with 4 Pokemon in your party to get to frame 9.

    -The act of moving a Pokemon to your party from your PC advances the IV FRAME by 7- and this is also why EGG IV FRAMES start on FRAME 8(Starting frame 1 +7 for adding the egg to your party). Remember, all Eggs (except exception below), Fossils, and Pokemon gifts EG- The elemental monkey trio start on Frame 8 for IVs.

    -The Larvesta egg is unique, in that its the only gift Pokemon to have IVs which start on Frame 2.

    *** NOTE ***
    When using RNG Reporter to search for IV seeds for Gift Pokemon(Frame 8) or the Larvesta Egg(Frame 2) you MUST manually set the minumum frame to 8 or 2 for each respective method.


    PID FRAME ADVANCEMENT:

    -The CHATOT mentioned in the requirements is used to advance the PID FRAME by viewing its summary once for each FRAME you wish to advance. It is not uncommon for someone to carry 2 CHATOTs in their party in order to “flip” between their summary pages to advance the PID much more quickly.


    -Saving your game will also advance the PID FRAME by 1 each time you save. This is evidenced in Bearsfans RNG tutorial on Parameter finding and Stationary Pokemon manipulation.

    -Turning AND walking BOTH advance the PID FRAME by 2 WHILE IN CAVES, GRASS, AND WATER. Walking one step will increase the PID FRAME by 2. Turning in place one time will increase the PID FRAME by 2.

    *NOTE: Walking outside of GRASS or CAVES advances the PID frame in an unpredictable way. It is suggested that it advances the PID FRAME by 2 for every 20 or so steps for the "Shaking Patch or Dust Cloud Check". This data is not totally confirmed but be warned.


    ENCOUNTER SLOT TABLES
    WHITE

    http://eggmove.com/encounterwhite.html

    BLACK

    http://eggmove.com/encounterblack.html


    SHIFTING STARTING FRAME:

    You can find your SHIFTING STARTING FRAME by hitting your SEED, button mashing X to bring up the menu as the SEASON SCREEN APPEARS AND FADES, and then SWEET SCENTING. The resulting Pokemon should give you an idea of what your starting PID FRAME will be. This is crucial when abusing in areas with NPCs, and is required when breeding due to NPCs being on Route 3 AND when attempting to RNG manipulate the ROAMERS.


    PID%6 METHOD:

    Determining characteristics In RNG Reporter with PID%6 method-

    A mathematical way of determining which characteristic the Pokemon on any given PID FRAME will have. This makes for easier determination of which PID FRAME you have landed on when RNG breeding or trying to RNG Thunderus and Tornadus.

    NOTE: PPRNG has this built into it, while RNG Reporter currently does not have it built in but can be set up for its use.
    This link here http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpos...postcount=8693
    is to a post by Kaphotics of Smogon that shows how to set up and use the Researcher function of RNG Reporter to find characteristics.

    This link here

    http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpos...ostcount=11047

    is to Tesseraction’s post within a breeding guide specifically explaining PID%6.


    NOTE: USING RESEARCHER the way Kaphotics’ post shows produces the final output number(0-5) to draw the line around the hexagon to determine the characteristic. PID FRAMEs in RESEARCHER are +1, meaning PID FRAME 1 in REPORTER is actually PID FRAME 2. CUSTOM 3 Column outputs the number to perform the hexagon method, and CUSTOM 5 Column shows the number correlating to the Nature of that specific PID FRAME.


    WEATHER NOTES:
    *RAIN ADVANCES THE PID FRAME AT 60 PID FRAMES PER SECOND.
    *SNOW WILL ADVANCE IT MUCH LESS AT 260 FRAMES AFTER YOUR STARTING PID FRAME
    **TO GET RID OF SAND AND FOG YOU MUST SAVE WHERE YOU INTEND TO MANIPULATE THE RNG, SET YOUR DS ONE MONTH AHEAD, ENGAGE IN A BATTLE, AFTER THE BATTLE THE WEATHER WILL BE GONE. SAVE ONCE MORE AND THEN PROCEED TO SET UP TO RNG.


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    THIS FIRST POST IS SIMPLY MEANT TO FAMILIARIZE NEW COMERS WITH TERMS RELATED TO RNG MANIPULATION HOWEVER, FOR MORE IN DEPTH INFORMATION ON RNG PROCESSES, METHODS, AND GUIDES PLEASE USE THE LINKS POSTED BELOW.











    HERE ARE SOME HELPFUL LINKS TO GUIDES AND INFORMATION THAT HAS BEEN CONSOLODATED BY SMOGON.

    ALL OF THESE LINKS ARE LOCATED IN SMOGONS FORUMS IN THIS THREAD
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    http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=83057

    THESE HELPFUL GUIDES AND VIDEOS ARE ALL CREDITED TO MEMBERS OF SMOGON, AS ARE THE RNG PROGRAMS!










    *BETA COMPREHENSIVE WRITTEN RNG GUIDE BY KAPHOTICS OF SMOGON (WRITTEN W/SCREENSHOTS)

    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12206225/RNG...uide%20v01.pdf








    *TESSERACTION OF SMOGON’s B/W RNG BREEDING GUIDE

    http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3446600








    *SEPHIRONA’s ENTRALINK RNG GUIDE (REQUIRES C-GEAR MANIPULATION KNOWLEDGE) WRITTEN W/ SCREENSHOTS

    http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpos...41&postcount=2









    ****BEARSFAN092’s RNG VIDEO GUIDES:



    STANDARD SEED CALIBRATION(PARAMETERS FINDING), STANDARD SEED FINDING

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4zNQH9cC3w



    USE OF A SYCHRONIZER AND IV FRAME MANIPULATION OF A STATIONARY LEGEND

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEBn73mAmw8



    C-GEAR RNG MANIPULATION (CALIBRATION AND APPLICATION)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8M26PvryQIA



    STANDARD MANIPULATION FOR BREEDING (SHINY OPTIONAL)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSonSZQFQK8







    *GREENALINK’s VIDEO TUTORIALS:



    STANDARD SEED MANIPULATION: RESHIRAM/ZEKROM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmPAmJDZkz0




    STANDARD SEED SHINY EGG MANIPULATION

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZkKMtmIZD4






    *TORTERRA2020’s MAC (PPRNG) RNG MANIPULATION VIDEOS:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2c-u14Q9lg







    *JOLTEON135's RNG HELP VIDEOS:

    Choosing a target PID frame <--skip to around 6 minutes for shinies




    Finding your actual starting PID frame




    Hitting your target PID frame




    Help with finding and hitting a Roamer seed and PID frame



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    Feel free to discuss anything related to RNG here while keeping in mind that discussion of legality of RNG manipulation is not permitted!
    Also suggestions and discussion of anything regarding what I should add to this first post would be greatly appreciated. If something is not clear enough or understandable, please feel free to let me know so I can make changes. Thanks!
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    Frequently Asked Questions
    courtesy of Jolteon135!
        Spoiler:- Pre-RNGing/Parameter Finding:


        Spoiler:- Searching Captures:


        Spoiler:- Searching Eggs:


        Spoiler:- Method of Advancing the Frames:

        Spoiler:- Hitting The Seed: IV Frame 1:


        Spoiler:- Hitting The Seed: Higher IV Frames:


        Spoiler:- Hitting The Seed: Eggs:


        Spoiler:- Miscellaneous:
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    EDIT (9/22/2011): There's a new version of PPRNG out there, so there's a good chance I'll have to re-do a lot of this since it's meant for PPRNG 1.2

    Kaiser Soze's Supplemental Guide to RNG Abuse with PPRNG


    Hi, I'm Kaiser and I'm writing a supplemental guide to RNG abuse using PPRNG, instead of the more common RNGreporter. PPRNG is a Macintosh-supported application used for searching and inspecting seeds for RNG abuse created by Chiizu of Smogon.

    When I say "supplemental," I mean this isn't supposed to be your first RNG guide. Basically I'm translating what the guides that use RNGreporter say and make it apply to PPRNG. 90% of what you do for RNG abuse is the same whether you're using RNGreporter or PPRNG; most of the difference is between the layout of the programs. I seriously recommend reading through the above posts to familiarize yourself with the terms and process of RNG abuse. If you think you have a "stupid question," read through my guide and check the other posts here in this section (and it's not a bad idea to read the Smogon ones either). If your question is along the lines of "What should I do next?" common sense says you should read the next part of the guide (reading the entire thug is also a good idea…). RNG abuse isn't simple; you're going to have to use that God-given-gray matter between your ears. You will need to use your cognitive skills and try to solve problems; it's not easy but trust me, it's rewarding.

    I will be covering 5th generation standard abuse, including finding flawless wild pokemon, shiny flawless legendaries, and breeding for both shininess and flawlessness. Since I'm a broke college student, I still own a DS lite, so right now I don't have an incentive for to learn C-gear abuse (unless we finally get DW starters). I don't know how yet, but once I need to I'll probably cover Wonder Card Abuse. While PPRNG lets you search for 4th gene seeds, you can't inspect them, so covering 4th gene use is counterproductive (Chiizu himself uses other RNG programs compatible with Macs for DPPtHGSS).

    What I assume/ what you need:

    - You have read other 5th Gen RNG guides (I may not explain everything the best and even screw up at times, so don't take my word on everything).
    - You have watched a few RNG videos (Visual learning always helps. Even if the use RNGreporter, watch it because 90% of what you do is the same, and the rest is because of a different layout).
    - You know basic breeding/Pokemon mechanics (ex: IVs, Hidden Power, Nature, gender ratio)
    - You have a Mac (OS 10.5 Leopard onward)
    - You have downloaded the latest version of PPRNG from here.
    - You have a basic understanding of how RNG works, including:
    - What a seed is
    - The difference between the IVRNG and the PIDRNG (you really need to know this)
    - You have a DS lite or phat and a legit copy of Black or White (language doesn't matter).
    - You may or may not know your Secret ID. You only need it if you want a shiny, however. Google ways to do it (AR, PokeCheck, etc)
    - You have a Chalot knowing chatter (two is much better). Try the GTS.
    - You have a Masterball. Not necessary, but it helps save a lot of time. You will be reseting a lot, so it will help.
    - You have synchronizers (again, not necessary, but useful, but you can get away without them). A pokemon with the ability synchronize at the lead of your party offers a 50% chance of encountering a pokemon with that ability.
    - You should not use an Action Replay and RNG at the same time. It won't work.
    - Warning!! Since RNF abuse requires you to change the time on your DS, it will affect when you can send pokemon to the Dream World. You have to wait 24 hours after changing the clock before sending pokemon to the Dream World.

    The Difference between the PIDRNG and IVRNG


    OK, just because I'm pretty sure someone didn't pay attention to the above posts, I'm going to explain this myself because it's just that important:
    - There are two Random Number Generators in BW that make pokemon: The IVRNG and PIDRNG
    - IVRNG: controls the IVs of a pokemon (and thus its Hidden Power). The IVRNG always starts on frame 1 for each seed; eggs use frame 8. It is highly recommended to use frame 1 when searching for seeds; going beyond frame 6 is unrealistic for RNG abuse.
    - PIDRNG: controls the nature, gender, ability, and shininess (when combined with your TID/SID combo) of a pokemon. It also controls what pokemon appears in wild random encounters, as well as which IVs an egg receives from its parents. The PID frame for a seed usually starts between 40 and 60; you will need to manually find the one where you start. Wandering NPCs advance the frame unpredictably, as well a weather.
    From the FAQ by Jolteon135:
    Quote Originally Posted by STUD View Post
        Spoiler:- Method of Advancing the Frames:
    Finding parameters:

    - Get your team ready. You need an open spot in your party (so less than 6 pokemon). You need a pokemon with the move Sweet Scent. Having a masterball will also help.
    - Go to a place with no wandering NPCs and fairly high-leveled pokemon; the last cave on Victory Road is pretty popular. Save there.
    - Turn off your game and open up PPRNG, then click on "DS/Game Config." Enter in your game version, your TID/SID (if known; only needed for a shiny), your DS type, and MAC address. Leave Timer0, Vcount and Vframe blank for now. Name your configuration (I have them named Black and White). Click OK.
    - To find your MAC address (it has nothing to do with Apple products; it's more like an ID number):
    - Click on DS Parameters Searcher. Turn on your DS but pause at the DS menu screen. Press A to boot your game at the top of the minute, and do not press any buttons until you see the Game Freak comet (but out of habit I wait until I see N's castle. Remember the date and time for later. Spam A to get to the game, click A for Continue, and do not turn on your C-gear!!! Once in the actual game world, pull up the menu, go to your party, and use the move Sweet Scent. You will be pulled into battle with a wild pokemon; catch it. Once added to your party use an IV calculator to check its IVs. Usually you can get by if some are between 2-3 values. Enter in your IV range for the pokemon you caught, the time you pressed A to boot the game. Don't select any keypresses because if you've been following instructions you didn't. Click search; ideally you get one result. If you have more than one, try to shrink the range of possible IVs until you get one line. If you have none, try to restart your game again, repeating the process.
    - When you get one parameter result, note the time for the seed and its deviation from the time you really pressed A. Usually the seed's time is a second later than the time. Take note; you will need to take this into account when you try to hit seeds later.
    - Write down the results of the Timer0, Vcount and Vframe for now. Your Timer0 has a tendency to uncontrollably fluctuate between two adjacent values, so it's essential you find the more common one.
    - Repeat the process multiple times; 5-10 is ideal. You may stop once you're sure you found the more consistent
    - Pro Tip: Try to restart your DS at the same time for each test. If you start seeing the same pokemon multiple times, it means you found your Timer0!
    - Once you are sure you found the right Timer0, enter them into the DS/ Game Configuration settings. You're now ready to begin RNGing!


    Standard Seed Searcher Overview:

    The top part is used for specifying your search criteria; the lower part displays the results

    Top

    Date: the range of dates to be searched. The wider the dates, the longer the search will take, but the more likely you will get good results. The default setting is whatever today is.
    Held keys: Keys held while trying to hit a seed (how will be covered later). "None" and "one" are the default settings.
    Pro Tip: While holding buttons may seem daunting at first, you won't get may good results when only "none" is checked. It's not that hard with a little experience. if you want a frame 1 flawless seed, practically speaking you will need to check all of them.
    IV pattern: The minimum and maximum range of IVs for your results. There are three default choices and "Custom":
    Hex Flawless: minimum of 31 for all six IVs (hex is he prefix for six).
    Physical Flawless: minimum of 31 in all IVs except Special Attack
    Special Flawless: minimum of 31 in all IVs except Attack
    Special Hidden Power Flawless: minimum of 30 in all IVs except Attack. Note that certain Hidden Power types require 30s in some stats and restrict others from being 31. Since Hidden Power is a special attack, attack is left blank.
    Pro Tip: most pokemon do not require six 31s. Physically-based pokemon like Haxorus and Scrafty rarely ruse special attacks, and special attackers like Chandelure and Jellicent don't use their attack stat. While getting all 31s for your wild pokemon's IVs can be tempting, it's far easier to search for something physically or specially flawless, especially for something shiny. Consider this: by not specifying a 6th IV, you should get about 32x the results (since there are 32 possible IV values per stat).
    Roamer: check here if the seed you want is for a roamer (as of now Tornadus/Thundurus)
    Hidden Power: If you want something Special Hidden Power Flawless, check here for desired type and minimum power. Do realize not every pokemon needs to run Hidden Power, and it's useless for physically-based pokemon.
    IV frame: The minimum and maximum IV frames that will be searched. The default is 1-50. Always lower this to a maximum of 6, if not 1.
    Shiny: Check here if you wand seeds with a shiny PID frame. Specify nature and the PID range you want.
    Note: Do NOT NOT NOT try to search for shiny pokemon with flawless IVs in the wild unless they are a legendary. It will be a waste of time, and 99% of the time you can easily just breed for the shiny. This is because of the Encounter Slot Value, which will probably not match the pokemon you want 9to be covered later). Roaming NPCs also make this an issue.
    Note 2: Currently PPRNG Standard Seed Searcher to my knowledge does not allow you to search for synchronizable shiny seeds. It may be a good idea when searching for a shiny flawless seed to not select a nature and look through your results for good natures and synchronizible seeds.

    Bottom

    Date: the date for the seed, month/day/year.
    Time(24hr): The time for the seed, given in hour:minute:second. Note that it is a 24-hour clock; i.e. 8:30 PM becomes 20:30.
    Tmr0: the Timer0 for the seed. If you decided to use multiple Timer0s in your parameter, then make note of this. However,if you only use one (as I recommend, since one of them is much more consistent) then this isn't too important.
    Keys: Keypresses necessary to hit the seed.
    A, B, X, Y: Refers to the right buttons
    L, R: Left and right bumpers at the top of your DS
    Left, right, up, down: Refers to the D-pad
    Sel, St: The Select and Start buttons at the bottom. Harder to hit.
    Dn-Lf, Up-Rt, etc.: This means holding the D-pad in two directions at once. Try holding your thumb over both directions at once. These are much harder to hit; I recommend using alternative seeds if possible.
    Seed: The value of the seed. (honestly you don't need to pay that much attention to it)
    IV frm: the IV frame with an IV spread that matches the search criteria.
    HP-SPE: the values for the IVs in each stat.
    Hidden: The typing of the Hidden Power
    Pwr: the power of the Hidden Power
    Note: the following slots will only be filled if there is a shiny pokemon on this seed
    Star frame: The PID frame where a shiny pokemon will appear.
    Nature: The nature of said shiny pokemon.
    Abil: The ability of the pokemon; see Standard Seed Inspector for details.
    Sync: If there is a "Y" here, you can use a synchronizer in the lead of your party to get a specific nature for the shiny pokemon besides the one listed earlier.
    ESV: Encounter Slot Value. See Standard Seed Inspector for details.
    Gender: The gender of the shiny pokemon; see Standard Seed Inspector for details.

    Standard Seed Inspector

    Double-clicking on a seed you want to use produces the SSE with the seed entered in. At the top you will see the details for the seed, including the Timer0, date, etc. Note: current versions of PPRNG does not allow saving or filtering search results (you can, however, reorganize results by clicking at the top of a column).

    Frames
    Use this page to examine the IV and PID frames for each seed.
    IV frame generator: use to look up the IV frames for a seed. Check '"Roamer" if you need a spread for a roamer.

    PID Frame generator:
    Frame type: chose between:
    Grass/Cave Encounter (most used)
    Surfing Encounter
    Fishing Encounter
    Shaking Grass Encounter
    Swirling Dust Encounter
    Bridge Shadow Encounter
    Water Spot Surfing Encounter
    Water Spot Fishing Encounter
    Highlink Encounter
    Stationary Encounter
    Reshiram/Zekrom/Victini
    Starter/Fossil/Gift
    Roamer Spawn

    Frame: # of the PID frame
    Nature: Nature of the pokemon on the frame
    PID: the value of the PID frame
    Star: A star means the pokemon is shiny
    Abil: the ability of the pokemon; will either be 0 or 1. To find out what ability your target pokemon will have, go to its pokedex entry on Serebii or another web site: if it has two non-DW abilities, the first one listed is the 0 ability, the second is 1. For example Moxie Scraggy has an ability value of 1. The value is irrelevant for pokemon with one (non-DW) ability.
    Sync: If there is a "Y" here, you can use a synchronizer in the lead of your party to get a specific nature for the pokemon on the frame besides the one listed earlier.
    ESV: Encounter Slot Value. The value (between 0 and 11) here corresponds to which pokemon will appear in the wild. Go to an Encounter Slot Table for Black or White (links are in the first post, or google it). For each area in a pokemon game with wild pokemon, each ESV corresponds with specific pokemon at a certain level that may be found there. For example, if we go to the Great Chasm (plains), we see that Dittos can be found on frames with an ESV of 3 or 6.
    Gender: the gender of a pokemon on that frame. You probably notice that there are 4 letters there, like M/M/F/F; this is because of gender ratios. The first one (M/M/F/F) is for pokemon with an 87.5% chance of being male, like starters. The second (M/M/F/F) is for pokemon with a 75% chance of being male. The third (M/M/F/F) is for those with a 50% chance of being male, and the let one (M/M/F/F) is for those with a 75% chance of being female. Ignore for pokemon with only one gender (Mandibuzz, Thundurus) and genderless pokemon (Ditto, Porygon, etc.).
    Held: Percentage chance that a pokemon will have an item (not sure on this one)
    Fish: For fishing encounters: "Y" means you will catch a fish on this frame.
    Item?: For encounters that can provide items (like swirling dust gems), "Y" means you will find an item on this frame

    Adjacents
    Use the adjacents tab if you are in doubt if you hit your seed an/or the pokemon you got does not match your expected results. It's also a handy tool for manually searching for your (Shifted) Starting Frame. You can see if the second you hit was off (default is +/- 1). Notice that the default PID frame range is 50 +/- 10, AKA 40-60, the range for your starting PID frame.

    How to hit seeds
    (from Jolteon13's FAQ above)
    (you might want to practice hitting IV frame 1 seeds with a few (3-4) 31s or a specific Hidden Power before moving on to bigger targets):

    Quote Originally Posted by STUD View Post
        Spoiler:- Hitting The Seed: IV Frame 1:
    How I search for flawless seeds:
    It takes a lot of patience to find good flawless seeds. When searching for good shiny flawless seeds, I recommend setting the date for an entire year (1/1/2011 to 12/31/2011), select all the keypresses (or at least none-2), set the IV frame range from 1 to 1, and (optional) shiny without a specific nature. If you want a shiny, I advise against searching for Hex Flawless, since it takes a lot of searching to find both. It takes several hours to search for quint-flawless seeds; try to leave it running in the background as you do work, watch a movie, leave your Mac running while you do something else, etc. (note: you might experience lag using other big programs, so don't try to exhaust your computer). Shiny flawless seeds are best reserved for legendaries, as the ESV (explained above) may not correspond to your target pokemon, and breeding is usually easier (and requires fewer PID advancements and searches). If you think you can try the walking method to advance the IV frame, you can try increasing the IV frame range to 1-6 (although to be honest I haven't had success with it yet, and it's harder to find you starting PID frame after walking around). Do realize you will need a higher minimum PID range for shinies. You can also try different years if you're not satisfied with your results (for example I went to 2009 for my Kyurem seed on frame 1).

    Wild pokemon/legendaries:

    Legendary/random wild pokemon with flawless IVs
    Example: Liberty Island Victini
    ***If you already caught your Victini, you can try Reshiram/Zekrom, or you can try Sweet Scenting in an NPC-free area, like the Great Chasm cave or the last cave of Victory Road. The three legendaries are being provided as examples because they cannot shine. You can try another stationary legend for practice, but yu probably want to save it for later so you can get a shiny.
    ProTip: If you are testing your skills at hitting seeds, do NOT save after catching your legendary until you are satisfied with your results. If you plan on resetting, you can also use your Masterball to speed up the process. Be aware that if you target Reshiram/Zekrom, you will eventually be forced to save when the game ends (you might want to deliberately lose to N so you can check your results).
    What you need:
    - A seed with an IV frame of 1 with the IVs you want
    ***- A Sweet Scenter (if you're going for a wild target)
    - IV calculator (to check results)
    - A free spot in your party (make it faster to check results)
    1) Get right in front of your target (Victini) and save. Turn off your game.
    2) Set your game clock at the date of the seed and the minute. Press A, turn off the game again, and turn it back on. Skip the warning menu and press A to load the game once the analog clock's second hand hits your target. (Be aware of the difference from your Parameter searching: if you're a second fast, for example, press A a second earlier than the seed says). Press your required keypresses immediately after pressing A (holding them as you press A isn't a bad idea if it's a button that won't pull up another menu) and hold them until you see the GameFreak comet.
    3) Once you see the GF comet, spam A to get to the menu. Continue to your game an do not turn on the C-gear
    4) Either "talk" to your target pokemon or use Sweet Scent to start a battle with a pokemon. Catch it.
    5) Look at the summary of the pokemon and use an IV calculator for a match in IVs. You can also take it to the Battle Subway IV judge who can tell you which IVs are 31, as well as the Hidden Power judge so you can tell if you have the same Hidden Power. Note: if you use a calculator and the IV ranges are a little wide, chances are you still hit your seed, especially if it has the expected Hidden Power typing.
    6) Congratulations! You are now able to hit seeds and use IV frame 1. Restart without saving if you don't want to keep the pokemon you caught or used your Masterball, or save if you want it.
    ProTip: The pokemon you want probably does not have the nature you want. To change this, have a synchronizer in the lead in your party with the nature you want; you will have a 50% chance of getting the nature you want. However, it's probably better to learn how to advance the PID frame for 99% of your RNG hunts for desirable natures.

    Learning to advance the PID frame - Example: Hex flawless Ditto
    So now you know how to hit a seed and have been introduced to the IVRNG. Now we will learn about the PIDRNG: the one that controls natures, abilities, encounter slots, and most importantly, shininess. We will start simply by trying to get an

    Aiming for a shiny
    Example: Terrakion




    Eggs:
    - Egg breeding is, in my humble opinion, the best and most efficient RNG method. It is the easiest way to get a shiny and requires the least amount of searches.

    Credits:
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    While I'm still here I might get a little bit greedy. Also I'm not sure how BW moderators are about post ownership changes but if necessary we can ask. Either way we'll have to consolidate much of that information as at the moment it's an eyesore. But it's okay for right now. Awesome job, STUD. I'm not the only one who appreciates this.

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    I just have a small nitpick. Where it says:
    Unlike in 4th Generation games such as Platinum, Heart Gold, and Soul Silver, RNG no longer requires you to have access to your SID(Secret ID), nor does it require you to hit a delay. It simply requires you to boot up your game at a certain time within roughly a second.
    In Gen 4, you didn't need your SID if you weren't going for shinies either. Just like Gen 5. And the way it's worded, it kinda sounds like you don't need to find it at all.

    Edit: Another nitpick: The monkey you get from the girl in the Dreamyard is also on IV Frame 8. If there's any other gift Pokemon(barring Larvesta, which I believe has its own method), they're also on IV Frame 8.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beck View Post
    While I'm still here I might get a little bit greedy. Also I'm not sure how BW moderators are about post ownership changes but if necessary we can ask. Either way we'll have to consolidate much of that information as at the moment it's an eyesore. But it's okay for right now. Awesome job, STUD. I'm not the only one who appreciates this.
    Yeah I need to do some indentations and better spacing, but I tried to lay it out simple and used the terms as a way for newbies to familiarize themselves with things before heading down to click the links and learn to do it. I will try to consolidate information as much as I can but still try to keep it simple.
    Quote Originally Posted by Too Funk to Druck View Post
    I just have a small nitpick. Where it says:


    In Gen 4, you didn't need your SID if you weren't going for shinies either. Just like Gen 5. And the way it's worded, it kinda sounds like you don't need to find it at all.
    I will reword it a bit better, and specify that you dont need your SID if you arent going to search for shinies.
    Quote Originally Posted by kaiser soze View Post
    Reserved if someone else needs a spot later
    Beck already posted and I deleted my post above him to have a slot if needed. Sweet May didnt want other people reserving posts at all, but I know you both will contribute to this thread becoming something bigger than anything the last one could have been.



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    Default RNGing in double grass.

    Today my son caught our first RNG'd shinies. This has become a joint endeavor, as we both want top-notch shinies we've caught or bred ourselves.

    We made a discovery that I'm recording here just in case it's not generally known already.

    I was lucky enough to find a synchronizable 31/31/31/x/31/31 shiny seed for this month on frame 1 with a PIDRNG of 0. So off he went to Route 9 with an Adamant synchronizer and sweet scenter. He got the shinies we were after in the grass, and in Challenger's cave, but the pokemon caught in the double grass were PIDRNG frame 1 pokemon, not frame 0. These were single battles, btw, no double battles happened.

    So it seems being in double grass means you start on a PIDRNG frame of 1 instead of 0. This is handy to know if you want the higher leveled pokemon double grass provides.

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    Thread looks good. I will help with any text guides and I might make a video guide if 9.82 comes out before I go back to college.
    P.S. If anyone wants to make a video guide I suggest using CamStudio to show what you're doing in RNG reporter.
    Quote Originally Posted by Too Funk to Druck View Post
    Another nitpick: The monkey you get from the girl in the Dreamyard is also on IV Frame 8. If there's any other gift Pokemon(barring Larvesta, which I believe has its own method), they're also on IV Frame 8.
    Pretty sure all gifts are IV frame 1 as stated by Kaphotics: "All Wild, Stationary, Roamer and Gift Pokemon have their IV frames starting on 1."
    Yes eggs are IV frame 8 and Larvesta egg is IV frame 2.

    Also @STUD: Starters are gifts.

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    New thread. Thanks for the list of Non-NPCs STUD.

    @Anyone who wants to make a guide: As Jolteon suggested, use CamStudio and the reduce the size of the video using another program like after effect.

    Edit: If your adding guides to the first post, I have a link to simple guide for begginers to find Parameters, Stationary and Egg RNGing.
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    The new thread looks great so far everyone, very nicely done. Sadly, I don't know how active I'm going to be on this thread or the club. I've come to realize that people who constantly break rules, attack other users for no reason and the like, get prefferential treatment on this site. Feel free to read the VM I got from what seems to be a "less-than-pleased" mod, when all I did was defend a fellow RNGer who was attacked by some 19-yr old, immature little prick who doesn't think RNG is "fair" and that there is no work put into this method. At which point, yes...I decided to twist the knife and hatch the shiny Zangoose that this user has been trying to hatch for over 2,000 eggs. And ya know...it felt damn good to do so, because Shadowxhunted (aka Gligari Jr.), or whatever the hell his username is does nothing more than complain and break the rules of that thread and attack RNGers for no reason, and it seems without consequence.

    I think that this mod fails to realize how much time and effort I put into hatching shinies via MM before getting frustrated that they would hatch with bad natures, and even worse IVs some of the time. I know how much frustration comes with getting shinies this way, and that's why I decided to learn a more efficient way to get the ones I was after. But appearently, that makes me the villian....and I'm fine with that. It's funny that even other users on the "shiny disc/faq" thread seem to have no problem when any of us post there, just a small minority...but as the old saying goes, the squeaky wheel gets oiled first.

    In light of this and other incidents that I see happen here, I'm just not sure that this site is something worth my time anymore. I may still lurk from time to time and answer other's questions when/if I see them here, but I think I'm going to go somewhere where all users are treated more fairly, especially when the subject of forums like these is a game. I wish you all the best of luck and continued success in this and any other future games.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poke16Freak View Post
    when u click on ds parameters when ur cablibrating
    and u see the time box what time do i start at the ds menu
    say if i put
    3:35:30 in the box
    at what time do i hit start at the ds menu
    do i start from the ds menu at 3:35:30 or at 3:35:00
    Date=Date you set the DS clock to
    Time=Time you start up the game at from the DS menu (clock screen).
    If you want to start up at 3:35:30 you would set the clock to 3:35, turn off the game, turn it back on and watch the seconds hand on the clock until the seconds hand hits 30. Press A to start up the game as soon as the seconds hand hits 30 and then wait for the gamefreak logo before you press any other buttons. Enter the game. Remember to choose "no" when asked if you want to turn on the c-gear. Then sweet scent and catch a Pokemon. Check it's IVs and enter all that info into the parameter finder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poke16Freak View Post
    can u use a legendary pokemon to calibrate???
    Yes, though I don't get why you wouldn't just use sweet scent?
    You don't really need anything higher level than Victory road Pokemon.

    P.S. Edit your post instead of double posting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poke16Freak View Post
    can u use a legendary pokemon to calibrate???
    Yes, but you might not want to incase you want to RNG it in the Future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaiser soze View Post
    -RNG abuse actually takes skill. Trying to make a 1/1366, let alone 1/8192 event happen with luck til it happens screams you don't have a life.
    - The biggest draw to RNGed pokemon is for flawless IVs, which are way more useful than a color swap.
    - It's an exploitable in-game feature, just like EVs and IV breeding.
    - Nintendo notes that it is legal; it's not cheating by their own definitions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tarro57 View Post
    Yes, but you might not want to incase you want to RNG it in the Future.
    umm...I don't think he was going to save after catching the legendary (why would he do that?).

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    Quote Originally Posted by jolteon135 View Post
    umm...I don't think he was going to save after catching the legendary (why would he do that?).
    IDK, maybe he would save accidentally. I hope I spelled that right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaiser soze View Post
    -RNG abuse actually takes skill. Trying to make a 1/1366, let alone 1/8192 event happen with luck til it happens screams you don't have a life.
    - The biggest draw to RNGed pokemon is for flawless IVs, which are way more useful than a color swap.
    - It's an exploitable in-game feature, just like EVs and IV breeding.
    - Nintendo notes that it is legal; it's not cheating by their own definitions.

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    As a newcomer to RNG'ing (first one completed yesterday) I think this thread is absolutely fantastic. It makes much more sense to anyone who is beginning from scratch and not Gen IV and I can't wait to use it to try PIDRNG's and Egg's etc..

    I'm in a rush so haven't had time to read the top post, so sorry if these are answered there. But I have 3 questions to pose:
    1.) Can anyone trade me a Chatot?
    2.) How do I find out my SID?
    3.) Is a foreign Ditto with flawless IV's neccesary for hatching flawless shinies?

    Thanks in advance, and once again congratulations on a brilliant thread!

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    Quote Originally Posted by darthmalice777 View Post
    The new thread looks great so far everyone, very nicely done. Sadly, I don't know how active I'm going to be on this thread or the club. I've come to realize that people who constantly break rules, attack other users for no reason and the like, get prefferential treatment on this site. Feel free to read the VM I got from what seems to be a "less-than-pleased" mod, when all I did was defend a fellow RNGer who was attacked by some 19-yr old, immature little prick who doesn't think RNG is "fair" and that there is no work put into this method. At which point, yes...I decided to twist the knife and hatch the shiny Zangoose that this user has been trying to hatch for over 2,000 eggs. And ya know...it felt damn good to do so, because Shadowxhunted (aka Gligari Jr.), or whatever the hell his username is does nothing more than complain and break the rules of that thread and attack RNGers for no reason, and it seems without consequence.

    I think that this mod fails to realize how much time and effort I put into hatching shinies via MM before getting frustrated that they would hatch with bad natures, and even worse IVs some of the time. I know how much frustration comes with getting shinies this way, and that's why I decided to learn a more efficient way to get the ones I was after. But appearently, that makes me the villian....and I'm fine with that. It's funny that even other users on the "shiny disc/faq" thread seem to have no problem when any of us post there, just a small minority...but as the old saying goes, the squeaky wheel gets oiled first.

    In light of this and other incidents that I see happen here, I'm just not sure that this site is something worth my time anymore. I may still lurk from time to time and answer other's questions when/if I see them here, but I think I'm going to go somewhere where all users are treated more fairly, especially when the subject of forums like these is a game. I wish you all the best of luck and continued success in this and any other future games.
    The blatent obscenity on your Visitor Message wall is blinding, and quite ironic. But there's nothing either of us can do about it, so, like you've suggested, we should dismiss it. That is life. I also find myself getting frustrated with SPPf only to remember that this is a child's forum, or rather, a forum for those who can still act as children among children. You've got to take what you can get. I'm sad to see you more or less leave, darth, as you're undoubtedly a solid base of this community we've formed. Nonetheless, good luck later on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beck View Post
    The blatent obscenity on your Visitor Message wall is blinding, and quite ironic. But there's nothing either of us can do about it, so, like you've suggested, we should dismiss it. That is life. I also find myself getting frustrated with SPPf only to remember that this is a child's forum, or rather, a forum for those who can still act as children among children. You've got to take what you can get. I'm sad to see you more or less leave, darth, as you're undoubtedly a solid base of this community we've formed. Nonetheless, good luck later on.
    I haven't decided yet...gonna take a little while to "cool down" before jumping to any rash decisions. It's all about perspective, and I was obviously unhappy to see that when I logged on first thing this morning. But as you said, that's life. I think it may have been more of a rage/vent post than anything. I'll think I'll just try to focus on the positives of a new thread and the help we can be to newcomers, and even each other. Thanks for helping me see what's more important.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikator View Post
    1.) Can anyone trade me a Chatot?
    Serebii has a trade forum. You should use it.
    2.) How do I find out my SID?
    Pokecheck.org, ir-gts-bw or restart your game and RNG it.

    3.) Is a foreign Ditto with flawless IV's neccesary for hatching flawless shinies?
    No. It helps though.

    I'll trade you the Chatot and a Flawless Japanese Ditto if you want but you might have to wait a few hours. I'll VM when I have them ready. In the meantime if someone else wants to help him out go ahead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikator View Post
    As a newcomer to RNG'ing (first one completed yesterday) I think this thread is absolutely fantastic. It makes much more sense to anyone who is beginning from scratch and not Gen IV and I can't wait to use it to try PIDRNG's and Egg's etc..

    I'm in a rush so haven't had time to read the top post, so sorry if these are answered there. But I have 3 questions to pose:
    1.) Can anyone trade me a Chatot?
    2.) How do I find out my SID?
    3.) Is a foreign Ditto with flawless IV's neccesary for hatching flawless shinies?

    Thanks in advance, and once again congratulations on a brilliant thread!
    Here are my answers for you:

    1.) I can trade you.
    2.) You can use Pokecheck which tells you all of the details about the Pokemon you send there. (Requires Wi-Fi) (You keep the Pokemon you send)
    3.) A foreign flawless Ditto is very, Very good when breeding but isn't necessary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaiser soze View Post
    -RNG abuse actually takes skill. Trying to make a 1/1366, let alone 1/8192 event happen with luck til it happens screams you don't have a life.
    - The biggest draw to RNGed pokemon is for flawless IVs, which are way more useful than a color swap.
    - It's an exploitable in-game feature, just like EVs and IV breeding.
    - Nintendo notes that it is legal; it's not cheating by their own definitions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jolteon135 View Post
    Date=Date you set the DS clock to
    Time=Time you start up the game at from the DS menu (clock screen).
    If you want to start up at 3:35:30 you would set the clock to 3:35, turn off the game, turn it back on and watch the seconds hand on the clock until the seconds hand hits 30. Press A to start up the game as soon as the seconds hand hits 30 and then wait for the gamefreak logo before you press any other buttons. Enter the game. Remember to choose "no" when asked if you want to turn on the c-gear. Then sweet scent and catch a Pokemon. Check it's IVs and enter all that info into the parameter finder.
    Don't people commonly need to start up the game 1 second early because of a delay in the game?
    I know I have to, to hit the right seed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kailassa View Post
    Don't people commonly need to start up the game 1 second early because of a delay in the game?
    I know I have to, to hit the right seed.
    He wasn't trying to hit a specific seed. He was trying to find his parameters.

    Quote Originally Posted by Poke16Freak View Post
    i found a seed i like what do i do with it do i copy and paste it to the main rng reporter or what???
    Well eggs aren't the way to start. Eggs are fairly difficult. I'd say a stationary or wild Pokemon is the way to start. Do you even have flawless Ditto to do eggs?

    EDIT: I'm going to PM you something.
    Last edited by jolteon135; 4th August 2011 at 7:04 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poke16Freak View Post
    yes i have a flawless japanese ditto modest nature
    EDIT: once i find my seed and i paste it into the seed (hex) what do i do to breed shiny eggs or would finding flawless pokemon in the wild be easier for me since im a begginner
    So you're going to RNG a wild Pokemon? Well the first step is to make sure your IV frame is 1. Look in the time finder to see if the seed you chose says frame 1. If it's not frame 1 search again. Click "5th gen DS parameters setup" and choose 2 or 3 keypresses before searching.

    After you post the seed in the main window and generate the list of PID frames you need to look for a frame that gives you what you want (nature, ability, encounter slot etc). Encounter slots determine what Pokemon you encounter when you sweet scent. For a list of encounter slots click on 5th gen tools in the main window of RNG reporter and click on Black or White Encounter Tables. Once you've found a target frame it's time to find your actual starting frame.

    This is the tricky part. Your actual starting PID frame is usually slightly higher than the calculated initial PID frame that RNG reporter gives you because of the NPCs (unless you're in an area with no NPCs). To find it you must hit your seed, enter the game without turning on the c-gear, let the seasons message fade by itself. While the seasons message is fading press the X button rapidly to bring up the menu as quickly as possible. Then sweet scent and catch the Pokemon you encounter. Check it's IVs to see if you hit your seed. If you did hit your seed look at the list of PID frames and look for a PID frame near your "Calculated initial PID frame" that matches the caught Pokemon. The matching frame will have the same nature, ability, encounter slot etc. That's your actual starting PID frame. Turn off the game without saving and redo it to get your target PID frame.

    To hit your target PID frame:
    Once you've found your actual starting PID frame, hit your seed again, let the season message fade by itself. While the season message is fading press the X button rapidly to bring up the menu as soon as it fades. This time you view Chatot's summary the appropriate number of times to advance from your actual starting frame to your target frame. Remember each view of Chatot's summary advances the PID frame by 1 so target frame-actual starting frame=the number of times you need to view Chatot's summary before sweet scenting.
    Note*: If you're using a synchronizer, put another Pokemon first in your party after you open the menu. The synchronizer will only complicate things when you're trying to find your actual starting PID frame.

    P.S. That was all a part of what i sent you. Gotta actually read through it or use Ctrl+F. The answers to all your questions are there.
    Last edited by jolteon135; 4th August 2011 at 7:33 PM.

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