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THE NEW AND REVAMPED 5th GEN RNG HELP/DISCUSSION THREAD***As approved by BobandBill
*******Special thanks to Sweet May for getting this up and running in a timely manner ^_^.
#1. We now have a nice Frequently Asked Questions section in post 2! Thanks to Jolteon135! If you have any questions about what you see in this first post or the guides posted make sure to take a peek there!
#2 We now have a nice written guide for using PPRNG by Serebii's own Kaiser Soze! Thanks Kaiser! Its in post 4 if you scroll down just a bit or click the link below!
#3 Standard seed manipulation is possible on all other DS hardware now!
#4 Please discuss your finds in the Discuss My Pokemon thread - this thread is for getting help with RNGing and discussing RNG, not what you got from it.
This thread is for discussion of and help with RNG manipulation in generation 5 Pokemon games. Discussion of legality or morality is not permitted.
With the advent of Black and White, RNG manipulation is now easily done, and is growing increasingly popular with the Pokemon community.
WHAT IS RNGING?
It is the process of manipulating the in game Random Number Generator in order to boot the game at specific times to get specific Pokemon with specific stats and manipulate the game for abilities, shinyness, natures, and genders. It is completely legitimate, this is in no way hacking as the actual game does not interact with any external devices, and all you need is one of two programs for your PC or MAC to use. Check links below for the programs.
Just like Gen 4, 5th Gen RNG does not require you to know your SID(Secret ID) as long as youre not trying to obtain Shiny Pokemon. However, in Gen 5 the non C-Gear method (the primary method used) of RNGing Pokemon does not require you to calibrate your timing with starting your game, and all you need to be able to do is start your game at a certain time- hitting that time within roughly a second to get the desired results.
Here is a link to the OLD RNG THREAD: http://www.serebiiforums.com/showthread.php?t=514485
*The original thread has a small FAQ which has a few useful explanations of RNG. However, reading through this post coupled with the video guides should be sufficient enough to get you well on your way.
In order to use the Non C-Gear RNG method (Read on to understand what Non C-Gear RNG method means) of capturing and breeding Pokemon you will need the following:
-Your DS Hardware.
-Your DS’s MAC Address.
-A Sweet Scent user.
-If you want to manipulate for Shiny Pokemon, you will need to know your SECRET ID.
-You must be far enough in the game to catch Pokemon that are high enough level to accurately check IVs (Victory Road can work, Giant Chasm is better). This is REQUIRED so you can find your DS parameters- which you need in order to even use your RNG program to function for manipulation!
-A Chatot which has a custom Chatter message recorded. This allows you to more easily manipulate the PID RNG, and is highly essential for manipulating the PID RNG to prefered natures or Shiny Frames- which tend to be high.
-The latest version of RNG reporter which can be found here http://bit.ly/mSCZRW
*Credit to Omega Donut of Smogon for developing.
OR for MAC users use PPRNG here http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=102901
*Credit to Chizu of Smogon for developing.
-If you want to manipulate for Shiny Pokemon, you will need to know your SECRET ID. Check the FAQ in post 2 for ways to find your Secret ID without Action Replay.
*NOTE: ACTION REPLAYS WILL NOT WORK FOR ANY OF 5th GEN RNG MANIPULATION!
*NOTE: C-GEAR MANIPULATION IS MUCH HARDER THAN MOST OTHER METHODS, AND IN MOST CASES INFERIOR TO NON-C-GEAR. LINKS AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS POST WILL PROVIDE INFORMATION ON HOW TO C-GEAR MANIPULATE THE RNG. C-GEAR MANIPULATION TAKES AWAY ALL CONTROL OF THE PID FRAME, SO YOU CANNOT CONTROL NATURES, SHINYNESS, GENDER, OR ABILITY.
BASIC RNG TERMS:
Familiarize yourself with the terminology of RNG manipulation.
Random Number Generator.
Your Secret ID for your save file. It corresponds with your Trainer ID to determine which PID Frames will produce SHINY Pokemon.
Individual Value. This term corresponds to the “Genes” or “DNA” of a Pokemon which determines its maximum stat values it can achieve. HP(Hit Points), Attack, Defense, Special Attack, Special Defense, and Speed are all Individual Values.
The hexadecimal value given to the start time or place within the Random Number Generator in which you are starting your game.
The area within the SEED in which your desired IVs are placed. (ADVANCED KNOWLEDGE)The IV frame for your SEED will always start on FRAME 1. All Pokemon EXCEPT EGGS, GIFTS and FOSSILS will have their IVs determined by FRAME 1. EGGS, GIFTS and FOSSILS IV FRAMES start on FRAME 8 due to the action of adding or removing a Pokemon from your party advancing the IV FRAME by 7.
STARTERS are not included as gift Pokemon.
ELEMENTAL MONKEYS ARE an example of a GIFT Pokemon.
LARVESTA's EGG is unique and starts on FRAME 2***
These are the second type of Frame which assign Nature, Gender, and Shininess to each Pokemon. PID FRAMEs usually start anywhere from 30-60 for any given IV FRAME. For Wild Pokemon Encounters each PID FRAME has an Encounter Slot assigned to it, which determines which Pokemon you will find on that specific PID FRAME.
The PID FRAME which, when landed on, will produce a Pokemon which is SHINY. YOU MUST KNOW YOUR Secret ID in order to find these frames with either of the RNG programs. These frames are marked in RNG Reporter by a (!!!) or in PPRNG by a (★).
This is the process of manipulating the IV FRAME or PID FRAME you are currently on to get to your desired FRAME.
These refer to specific cartridge and DS combination values that you MUST determine before attempting to RNG. RNG Reporter and PPRNG both have Parameter Finders to figure out what your parameters are for your personal DS and cartridge combo.
A fluctuating value that every DS/cartridge combo has. Most retail cartridges only change between 2 values, and THERE IS NO WAY TO CONTROL THE FLUCTUATION. But you must figure out which TIMER 0 is more common by using the parameter finder, and then use that TIMER 0 in your RNG Program of choice to find your SEEDS. IT IS HIGHLY RECOMMENDED YOU WRITE THIS DOWN OR KEEP IT IN A DOCUMENT FOR FUTURE REFERENCE OR PROGRAM UPGRADES.
V FRAME, V COUNT, GXSTAT:
These are static or consistent values you will find out when using the parameter finder. These will NEVER change for your specific cartridge and DS combination so again, IT IS HIGHLY RECOMMENDED THAT YOU WRITE THESE DOWN OR KEEP IT IN A DOCUMENT FOR FUTURE REFERENCE.
SHIFTING STARTING FRAME: This is the frame which you determined to be your starting PID FRAME for the SEED youre using in an area where NPCs advance your PID FRAME.
Non Player Characters. There are NPCs littered throughout Unova which will augment PID FRAME advancement. In areas where these are located, you must determine your starting frame manually by hitting your SEED a time or two, and adjusting your FRAME advancements accordingly.
Here is a list of all areas that DO NOT HAVE NPCs:
Wellspring Cave (1F-B1F)
Rumination Field (For the sake of being thorough)
Relic Castle (1F-B6F)
Chargestone Cave (B1F)
Celestial Tower (3F-5F)
Twist Mountain (Cave with Exit to Icirrus City)
Mistralton Cave (2F-Guidance Chamber)
Dragonspiral Tower Entrance (North of Icirrus City, not the area with the bridge)
Dragonspiral Tower Interior (1F-2F)
Route 10 (South of Victory Road; the third area of the Badge Check Gates)
Victory Road (1F1, 1F2, 1F3, 2F2, 5F, 7F)
Victory Road (Exterior)
Giant Chasm (Outside)
Giant Chasm (Outer Cave)
Giant Chasm (Inner Cave; including Kyurem’s Cave)
Challenger’s Cave (1F)
ADVANCED RNG TERMS AND KNOWLEDGE OF BASIC RNG TERMS:
C-GEAR AND ENTRALINK MANIPULATION:
-This method of RNG manipulation uses the C-Gear feature. The C-Gear reSEEDS the IV FRAME once turned on, and keeps the PID FRAME advancing at a constant rate. For more about C-Gear or Entralink manipulation use the links located at the bottom of this post.
IV FRAME ADVANCEMENT:-The IV FRAME is advanced by walking 128 steps with 1,2,3,4,5 or 6 Pokemon in your party to advance the IV frame from 1 to 2,3,4,5,6, or 7 respectively. This can be done infinitely to advance your IV FRAME E.G. you need to get to frame 9 so you walk 128+128 steps with 4 Pokemon in your party to get to frame 9.
-The act of moving a Pokemon to your party from your PC advances the IV FRAME by 7- and this is also why EGG IV FRAMES start on FRAME 8(Starting frame 1 +7 for adding the egg to your party). Remember, all Eggs (except exception below), Fossils, and Pokemon gifts EG- The elemental monkey trio start on Frame 8 for IVs.
-The Larvesta egg is unique, in that its the only gift Pokemon to have IVs which start on Frame 2.
*** NOTE ***
When using RNG Reporter to search for IV seeds for Gift Pokemon(Frame 8) or the Larvesta Egg(Frame 2) you MUST manually set the minumum frame to 8 or 2 for each respective method.
PID FRAME ADVANCEMENT:
-The CHATOT mentioned in the requirements is used to advance the PID FRAME by viewing its summary once for each FRAME you wish to advance. It is not uncommon for someone to carry 2 CHATOTs in their party in order to “flip” between their summary pages to advance the PID much more quickly.
-Saving your game will also advance the PID FRAME by 1 each time you save. This is evidenced in Bearsfans RNG tutorial on Parameter finding and Stationary Pokemon manipulation.
-Turning AND walking BOTH advance the PID FRAME by 2 WHILE IN CAVES, GRASS, AND WATER. Walking one step will increase the PID FRAME by 2. Turning in place one time will increase the PID FRAME by 2.
*NOTE: Walking outside of GRASS or CAVES advances the PID frame in an unpredictable way. It is suggested that it advances the PID FRAME by 2 for every 20 or so steps for the "Shaking Patch or Dust Cloud Check". This data is not totally confirmed but be warned.
ENCOUNTER SLOT TABLESWHITE
SHIFTING STARTING FRAME:
You can find your SHIFTING STARTING FRAME by hitting your SEED, button mashing X to bring up the menu as the SEASON SCREEN APPEARS AND FADES, and then SWEET SCENTING. The resulting Pokemon should give you an idea of what your starting PID FRAME will be. This is crucial when abusing in areas with NPCs, and is required when breeding due to NPCs being on Route 3 AND when attempting to RNG manipulate the ROAMERS.
Determining characteristics In RNG Reporter with PID%6 method-
A mathematical way of determining which characteristic the Pokemon on any given PID FRAME will have. This makes for easier determination of which PID FRAME you have landed on when RNG breeding or trying to RNG Thunderus and Tornadus.
NOTE: PPRNG has this built into it, while RNG Reporter currently does not have it built in but can be set up for its use.
This link here http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpos...postcount=8693
is to a post by Kaphotics of Smogon that shows how to set up and use the Researcher function of RNG Reporter to find characteristics.
This link here
is to Tesseraction’s post within a breeding guide specifically explaining PID%6.
NOTE: USING RESEARCHER the way Kaphotics’ post shows produces the final output number(0-5) to draw the line around the hexagon to determine the characteristic. PID FRAMEs in RESEARCHER are +1, meaning PID FRAME 1 in REPORTER is actually PID FRAME 2. CUSTOM 3 Column outputs the number to perform the hexagon method, and CUSTOM 5 Column shows the number correlating to the Nature of that specific PID FRAME.
WEATHER NOTES:*RAIN ADVANCES THE PID FRAME AT 60 PID FRAMES PER SECOND.
*SNOW WILL ADVANCE IT MUCH LESS AT 260 FRAMES AFTER YOUR STARTING PID FRAME
**TO GET RID OF SAND AND FOG YOU MUST SAVE WHERE YOU INTEND TO MANIPULATE THE RNG, SET YOUR DS ONE MONTH AHEAD, ENGAGE IN A BATTLE, AFTER THE BATTLE THE WEATHER WILL BE GONE. SAVE ONCE MORE AND THEN PROCEED TO SET UP TO RNG.
THIS FIRST POST IS SIMPLY MEANT TO FAMILIARIZE NEW COMERS WITH TERMS RELATED TO RNG MANIPULATION HOWEVER, FOR MORE IN DEPTH INFORMATION ON RNG PROCESSES, METHODS, AND GUIDES PLEASE USE THE LINKS POSTED BELOW.
HERE ARE SOME HELPFUL LINKS TO GUIDES AND INFORMATION THAT HAS BEEN CONSOLODATED BY SMOGON.
ALL OF THESE LINKS ARE LOCATED IN SMOGONS FORUMS IN THIS THREAD-
THESE HELPFUL GUIDES AND VIDEOS ARE ALL CREDITED TO MEMBERS OF SMOGON, AS ARE THE RNG PROGRAMS!
*BETA COMPREHENSIVE WRITTEN RNG GUIDE BY KAPHOTICS OF SMOGON (WRITTEN W/SCREENSHOTS)
*TESSERACTION OF SMOGON’s B/W RNG BREEDING GUIDE
*SEPHIRONA’s ENTRALINK RNG GUIDE (REQUIRES C-GEAR MANIPULATION KNOWLEDGE) WRITTEN W/ SCREENSHOTS
****BEARSFAN092’s RNG VIDEO GUIDES:
STANDARD SEED CALIBRATION(PARAMETERS FINDING), STANDARD SEED FINDING
USE OF A SYCHRONIZER AND IV FRAME MANIPULATION OF A STATIONARY LEGEND
C-GEAR RNG MANIPULATION (CALIBRATION AND APPLICATION)
STANDARD MANIPULATION FOR BREEDING (SHINY OPTIONAL)
*GREENALINK’s VIDEO TUTORIALS:
STANDARD SEED MANIPULATION: RESHIRAM/ZEKROM
STANDARD SEED SHINY EGG MANIPULATION
*TORTERRA2020’s MAC (PPRNG) RNG MANIPULATION VIDEOS:
*JOLTEON135's RNG HELP VIDEOS:
Choosing a target PID frame <--skip to around 6 minutes for shinies
Finding your actual starting PID frame
Hitting your target PID frame
Help with finding and hitting a Roamer seed and PID frame
Feel free to discuss anything related to RNG here while keeping in mind that discussion of legality of RNG manipulation is not permitted!
Also suggestions and discussion of anything regarding what I should add to this first post would be greatly appreciated. If something is not clear enough or understandable, please feel free to let me know so I can make changes. Thanks!