*Revamped RNG Discussion/Help Thread [Do not ask about Gen 6 RNG]

[MSK]

Natures have been RNGable for a long time now. It's considerably complex. I believe this is the guide I used. Prepare for frustration and many failed attempts. Once you've got the hang of it, though, it's only slightly more challenging than normal Gen V abuse.

Oh wow, apologies to Zenotwapal, I was not aware of this. Been so long since I actually attempted Entralink RNG I was just going by what I originally did, didn't know this had been found out. I shall have to read and learn.

[Agonist]

Oh wow, apologies to Zenotwapal, I was not aware of this. Been so long since I actually attempted Entralink RNG I was just going by what I originally did, didn't know this had been found out. I shall have to read and learn.

Natures have always been possible.

[MSK]

Well I've worked that out now, am managing to get the natures I want every time. But still can't hit the exact frame I want have been 1 or 2 frames out every time (so frustrating).
I'm aiming for 6686 and the last 3 times I've hit 6685, 6687 and 6690.
I suppose it's just going to be constant trial and error due to the human element of me pushing the button.


Don't believe it!!! Been getting the right nature every time, but missing the frame. Finally hit the frame after a whole evening of trying and guess what . . . wrong nature Timer trolled

[darthmalice777]

As someone who's been out of the RNG game for awhile now, is there any difference for RNG of the legendaries in B/W2? I really only want to do the previous gen legends to be more specific (Cressilia/Heatran/Latios etc), but I want to know if there's any major differences from B/W stationaries. Thanks in advance.

edit- other than the Timer0 issues that is.

[Zenotwapal]

As someone who's been out of the RNG game for awhile now, is there any difference for RNG of the legendaries in B/W2? I really only want to do the previous gen legends to be more specific (Cressilia/Heatran/Latios etc), but I want to know if there's any major differences from B/W stationaries. Thanks in advance.

edit- other than the Timer0 issues that is.

As far as I'm concerned Darth there is no difference other than Timer0 flux. Some legends have random PIDRNG advancements (Kyurem has a offset for some reason in his cave, have to adjust for that).
Some legends have NPCs aroudn them, like the Latis have one trainer that moves in the Dreamyard. Uxie is practically impossible to get shiny because there is 7-10 NPCs that advance the frame. Thats about it.
Breeding in B2/W2 is pointless to RNG, if you didn't know that already.

[darthmalice777]

As far as I'm concerned Darth there is no difference other than Timer0 flux. Some legends have random PIDRNG advancements (Kyurem has a offset for some reason in his cave, have to adjust for that).
Some legends have NPCs aroudn them, like the Latis have one trainer that moves in the Dreamyard. Uxie is practically impossible to get shiny because there is 7-10 NPCs that advance the frame. Thats about it.
Breeding in B2/W2 is pointless to RNG, if you didn't know that already.

I had read about the breeding, but thanks for the info. Can you battle the one trainer in the dreamyard w/ Latis to stop it? It's one the ones I'd love the RNG the most, along with the Regis and Cressilia/Heatran. While I would try for the pixies, I could live without them

[Zenotwapal]

I had read about the breeding, but thanks for the info. Can you battle the one trainer in the dreamyard w/ Latis to stop it? It's one the ones I'd love the RNG the most, along with the Regis and Cressilia/Heatran. While I would try for the pixies, I could live without them

Yes you can stop the NPC in the Dreamyard.
The other two pixies can be RNGed with relative ease. No npcs for them. Uxie is the worst though.

[dewey911p]

I had read about the breeding, but thanks for the info. Can you battle the one trainer in the dreamyard w/ Latis to stop it? It's one the ones I'd love the RNG the most, along with the Regis and Cressilia/Heatran. While I would try for the pixies, I could live without them

Yes you can stop the NPC in the Dreamyard.
The other two pixies can be RNGed with relative ease. No npcs for them. Uxie is the worst though.

Actually, no, the NPC doesn't stop moving. He is battable, yes, but he will continue to turn and move about even after you beat him. Fear not though, it's not like 1 NPC is anything to worry about, anyone who has bred eggs on B/W has bested 1 moving NPC. As for Uxie, he is a pain to be sure, but I RNGed my B/W2 Uxie to be shiny and I got it on my first or second try after hitting my seed. It is very doable and not as hard as one might think (compared to B/W roamer abuse, it is a piece of cake).

[Agonist]

Dewey, you can make him move from his tile, and he no longer moves.

But yeah, Uxie can be annoying, but it's certainly doable.

[darthmalice777]

Awesome, thanks so much for the info guys. You're the best!

[MSK]

Actually, no, the NPC doesn't stop moving. He is battable, yes, but he will continue to turn and move about even after you beat him. Fear not though, it's not like 1 NPC is anything to worry about, anyone who has bred eggs on B/W has bested 1 moving NPC. As for Uxie, he is a pain to be sure, but I RNGed my B/W2 Uxie to be shiny and I got it on my first or second try after hitting my seed. It is very doable and not as hard as one might think (compared to B/W roamer abuse, it is a piece of cake).

I agree Uxie is a pain but reasonably doable, I got mine shiny after about 5 attempts.
And definitely agree with it being a piece of cake compared to Roamer abuse, although I have just managed to RNG my Thundurus shiny with HP Ice after 4 days of trying

I'm working my way through all the legendaries getting them shiny, just playing through B2 now so I can get Registeel, Latios, Regigigas. Then I need to learn gen 3 and gen 4 abuse so I can go back and get all the legends from those games. Although if it's anything as bad as the time I'm having entralink rnging my Arceus then I may go mad!!
Still can't manage to hit my frame at the same time as getting the correct nature

[dewey911p]

Dewey, you can make him move from his tile, and he no longer moves.

But yeah, Uxie can be annoying, but it's certainly doable.

Oh, I spoke to the NPC from behind so he was on the same spot, maybe that is why he kept spinning then :/

[MSK]

Finally done it!!!!!!

Had a break today and just come back to it to have another go. 1st attempt 2 frames off wrong nature, 2nd attempt hit my frame and Jolly nature
So happy now I've got my 31/31/31/29/31/31 Jolly Dream World Arceus, gonna make him into a Normal Extremespeed killer.

[Fearless123]

I was just wondering is there is any point in setting up an RNG profile for Pearl? I have Platinum which I've heard is hard to RNG in but I was wondering what the core differences were? Like I know that in Black it's easier to RNG eggs but it's easier to entralink abuse in Black 2...

[dewey911p]

I was just wondering is there is any point in setting up an RNG profile for Pearl? I have Platinum which I've heard is hard to RNG in but I was wondering what the core differences were? Like I know that in Black it's easier to RNG eggs but it's easier to entralink abuse in Black 2...

Gen 4 RNGing doesn't use profiles because delay based seeds don't use parameters. All you need is your ID combo (if you want shiny seeds) and the delays will be the same for all carts and DS models.

[Fearless123]

Gen 4 RNGing doesn't use profiles because delay based seeds don't use parameters. All you need is your ID combo (if you want shiny seeds) and the delays will be the same for all carts and DS models.

Oh... still is there anything that you can RNG in Pearl that you can't in Platinum?

[Hozu]

Oh... still is there anything that you can RNG in Pearl that you can't in Platinum?

Wild Porygon for one. Actually D/P are the only games where it's possible period (White Forest doesn't count).

[Fearless123]

Wild Porygon for one. Actually D/P are the only games where it's possible period (White Forest doesn't count).

Just Porygon then? well that's boring. Looks like I'll be sticking to Plat and HG for 4th gen coverage.

[Agonist]

Just Porygon then? well that's boring. Looks like I'll be sticking to Plat and HG for 4th gen coverage.

Captured Porygon is beautiful, though. :c

There's also Misdreavus, Houndour, Stantler, Spheal, Bagon, and Purrloin (and their respective evolutions). Granted, you can probably get some of those on Pt/HG, but keep in mind that using another cart allows you to have a different shiny spread than your other two games.

[Fearless123]

Captured Porygon is beautiful, though. :c

There's also Misdreavus, Houndour, Stantler, Spheal, Bagon, and Purrloin (and their respective evolutions). Granted, you can probably get some of those on Pt/HG, but keep in mind that using another cart allows you to have a different shiny spread than your other two games.

That alone would be worthwhile I guess, should have thought about that myself considering that I just RNGd my TID SID in black for a low shiny frame.