*Revamped RNG Discussion/Help Thread [Do not ask about Gen 6 RNG]

**dewey911p** · 11th March 2012, 9:58 AM

Originally Posted by TDawg

Thanks, man! I am glad I got it before Nobunga's or whatever Rayquaza is released so I can RNG that right away.

Oh man, i wish your events were full redis, its hard finding someone with a japanese game that can RNG :/ i assume there are a lot of people out there on japanese forums and whatnot, but without speaking japanese i cant seem to find a reliable source for japanese events

**MSK** · 11th March 2012, 11:09 AM

So it seems that everybody is getting into 4th Gen RNG at the moment. I've been reading everyone's posts and looking at all the guides etc and I have a few questions.
1. Do you have to RNG your ID/SID combo to be able to get shiny Pokemon? Can you not send a Pokemon to Pokecheck to find your SID like B/W? ( Reason I ask on this both my HG/SS have the Lati@s events waiting in the middle of the street to be battled and I was hoping to RNG them Shiny with a good IV spread)
2. I see it's all delay based so I assume just like Entralink RNG. I've only done one Entralink Arceus so far and found it really really hard. Are the delays just as hard to hit?
3. I've noticed most people saying all the spreads etc are preset but how do you change Nature when RNG on Gen 4?

Once I've got a firm grasp on everything I'll be giving it a go and will probably be back with many more questions

For the time being I'm just working through Gen 5 breeding competitive teams and picking up wondercards.

My latest are

VGC Larvitar Adamant 31/31/31/31/31/0
VGC Larvitar Adamant 31/31/31/31/31/31
Reshiram Timid 31/31/31/31/31/31
Mewtwo Timid 31/*/31/31/31/31 (x14 with various IV's in Attack)

Ferroseed Relaxed 31/31/31/31/31/4 Egg Moves Spikes / Stealth Rock x2
Dwebble Relaxed 31/31/31/31/31/4 Egg Moves Spikes x2

**Vandslaux** · 11th March 2012, 12:03 PM

Originally Posted by TDawg

This troll is finally mine! After 2 months I got him!

#641 Tornadus - トルネロス |

........ And I still don't know what my starting frame was. Pure luck with the nature.

Congrats. At least you got a decent nature. I got Hasty on my Thundurus because I couldn't find a Timid frame.

**The Eleventh** · 11th March 2012, 1:37 PM

Originally Posted by TDawg

This troll is finally mine! After 2 months I got him!

It really took that long? I got my shiny Japanese Tornadus within a few hours. xD

Originally Posted by MSK

1. Do you have to RNG your ID/SID combo to be able to get shiny Pokemon? Can you not send a Pokemon to Pokecheck to find your SID like B/W? ( Reason I ask on this both my HG/SS have the Lati@s events waiting in the middle of the street to be battled and I was hoping to RNG them Shiny with a good IV spread)

Yes, you can find your ID/SID through Pokécheck, but to get shiny penta-flawless, hex-flawless or Hidden Power spreads, you'll need to ID/SID abuse.

2. I see it's all delay based so I assume just like Entralink RNG. I've only done one Entralink Arceus so far and found it really really hard. Are the delays just as hard to hit?

It is difficult at first, but not as hard as Entralink. With Entralink RNG, you can hit both odd and even delays at the same time, meaning you have to be as precise as 1/60 of a second. This is untrue for Gen IV abuse, in which you can only hit odd or even delays at any one time, effectively causing the needed precision to be only 1/30, which isn't as hard as it appears. With practice, you'll be able to hit delays on your first attempt.

3. I've noticed most people saying all the spreads etc are preset but how do you change Nature when RNG on Gen 4?

Natures and IVs are intertwined with Gen IV RNG. It's not like Gen V (hitting a seed, then changing the PIDRNG). Instead, you hit a delay, then change the IVs and PID at the same time. This is why there are preset spreads available, as they also don't change between games.

**Typhlosion X** · 11th March 2012, 2:16 PM

I couldn't figure out what I was doing wrong so I quit for a while. When Pandora's box finds the ID/SID combo I want it's delay 6072 and in Seed to Time it stays 6072, when I copy the seed into the Simple Seed to ID/SID calculator, the delay jumps up to 6084, which one do I hit? For this, does it matter what I use as my target seconds or do I need to use 0 like Pandora's Box says?

**Vandslaux** · 11th March 2012, 4:03 PM

With all this talk about 4th gen, I think I'm going to try again. What's a good calibrated delay/second for Pt?

**Typhlosion X** · 11th March 2012, 5:48 PM

Finally RNGed my IDs, 43764/15556. It was so tedious, each failed attempt was gg 2 mins of my life. Expect a few shiny 4th gen legends from me in the next week or two.

Anyway, for DPPt, a good Calibrated delay+secs combo is 600 and 14.

**Zevn** · 11th March 2012, 6:11 PM

Hey, so I'm trying to RNG a shiny Rayquaza, turns out with a few 30s there was one with a decent frame.

So basically here's the issue:

Calibrated Delay: 481
Calibrated Seconds: 13
Target Delay: 1173
Target Seconds: 59

I hit my target second every attempt, which is: 14:58:59 (3/20/2012), but I can't consistently hit any delay. So far in the past few minutes I've hit the following:

- 1169
- 1165
- 1159

Since I have not hit the same one twice I am not comfortable adjusting Eontimer with the delay hit... so what should I do?

I RNG'd the Suicune I was after a few days ago, but today it's just not happening.

**Soueto** · 11th March 2012, 7:14 PM

To RNG the new Zekrom/Reshiram event I just need to use the Gift Pokémon method, right?
Also, If I receive the pokémon can I turn the DS off and receive it again if I don't save the game?

**Beck** · 11th March 2012, 7:23 PM

Originally Posted by Soueto

To RNG the new Zekrom/Reshiram event I just need to use the Gift Pokémon method, right?
Also, If I receive the pokémon can I turn the DS off and receive it again if I don't save the game?

Use the Wondercard Method. And yes, as long as you don't save you will be able to re-obtain the Gift Pokemon.

**Soueto** · 11th March 2012, 7:24 PM

Originally Posted by Beck

Use the Wondercard Method. And yes, as long as you don't save you will be able to re-obtain the Gift Pokemon.

Alright, thanks ^^

**TDawg** · 11th March 2012, 8:12 PM

Originally Posted by SpeedSuicune

It really took that long? I got my shiny Japanese Tornadus within a few hours. xD.

Well I procrastinated a lot. :P

**Finalflashgame** · 11th March 2012, 8:34 PM

How does the Pokemon Gifting thing work?

**Agonist** · 11th March 2012, 8:37 PM

Agonist | 00001 | Modest | Swift Swim
31 | 10 | 30 | 31 | 31 | 30 {Electric 70}
Water Gun | Rollout | Leer | Mud Shot
UT @ Lv. 25

Agonist | 00001 | Modest | Levitate
31 | 10 | 30 | 31 | 31 | 30 {Electric 70}
Embargo | Heal Block | Cosmic Power | Psychic
UT @ Lv. 50

Agonist | 00001 | Adamant | Levitate
31 | 31 | 31 | 21 | 31 | 31
Flash | Cosmic Power | Heal Block | Rock Slide
UT @ Lv. 50

Agonist | 00001 | Adamant / Jolly | Pressure
31 | 31 | 31 | 21 | 31 | 31
Double Team | Slash | Future Sight | Sucker Punch
UT @ Lv. 48

Agonist | 00001 | Jolly | Sap Sipper
31 | 31 | 31 | 21 | 31 | 31
Faint Attack | Take Down | Jump Kick | Aromatherapy
UT @ Lv. 34

Agonist | 00001 | Jolly | Sap Sipper
31 | 31 | 31 | 21 | 31 | 31
Faint Attack | Take Down | Jump Kick | Aromatherapy
UT @ Lv. 35

Agonist | 00001 | Adamant / Jolly | Mold Breaker
31 | 31 | 31 | 14 | 31 | 31
Scary Face | Slash | False Swipe | Dragon Claw
UT @ Lv. 30

Agonist | 00001 | Adamant | Snow Cloak
31 | 31 | 31 | 21 | 31 | 31
Icicle Crash | Shadow Claw | Brine | Endure
UT @ Lv. 37

Agonist | 00001 | Adamant / Jolly | Regenerator
31 | 31 | 31 | 21 | 31 | 31
Swift | Calm Mind | Force Palm | Drain Punch
UT @ Lv. 33

Agonist | 00001 | Adamant | Justified
31 | 31 | 31 | 26 | 31 | 31
Helping Hand | Retaliate | Iron Head | Sacred Sword
UT @ Lv. 42

Caught all these last night while my Internet was out. They're all shiny, in case you can't tell with the Sawsbuck. Now that the Internet is back, I'll go do the recent wondercards.

**Vandslaux** · 11th March 2012, 10:51 PM

I'm guessing you searched for hours/got lucky for one of the spreads, and RNGed your IDs for the other spread?

**TDawg** · 12th March 2012, 1:58 AM

Originally Posted by x_vandslaux_x

I'm guessing you searched for hours/got lucky for one of the spreads, and RNGed your IDs for the other spread?

I think he RNGed his ID for a HP Rock Lilligant or something. I don't remember. But he can easily just use a synch shiny frame. Because I notice a lot of his pokes have the same IVs.

Anyways here's a BP from my thread.

★

#478 Froslass |

**Agonist** · 12th March 2012, 2:22 AM

Originally Posted by TDawg

I think he RNGed his ID for a HP Rock Lilligant or something. I don't remember. But he can easily just use a synch shiny frame. Because I notice a lot of his pokes have the same IVs.

Anyways here's a BP from my thread.

★

#478 Froslass |

Yeah, I abused my TID for a HP Rock seed, although I didn't really need to. At any rate, I've found maybe 1500 frame 1 shiny seeds for this current save, so I really don't have a hard time finding useable seeds.

**-Xen-** · 12th March 2012, 3:51 AM

Originally Posted by 11tjcoulombe