*Revamped RNG Discussion/Help Thread [Do not ask about Gen 6 RNG]

[kaorusquee]

Does anybody have a link to pikatimer, eontimer, or something similar? I keep trying to download the current eontimer, but it only shows half the screen on my computer. And I want to rng my legendaries on Soul Silver.

EDIT: Nevermind. I figured out what was wrong.

[AlexBW]

If the IVs are wrong then you just need to advance the IVRNG (or don't advance it if you accidentally did the first time. Simply walk 128 steps with the right number of pokemon in your party and the IV RNG will advance by that many. If your party has 3 pokemon after 128 steps your IVRNG will be frame 4 (# pokemon + 1 starting frame = 4). Do note that if you are in an area with wild pokemon (surfing, a cave, grass) walking will advance the PIDRNG too and your nature and shininess will be affected. Just recalculate your SSF and then do the right number of flips

But how I know the IVRNG, I know what does PIDRNG means but I have never heard about IVRNG. If it usefull, I also know how to use the Mersenne Twister method( the one the decide only ivs) please I need help.

[kaorusquee]

Just caught myself a flawless timid Zapdos on Soul Silver. It took a couple tries, because even though everything, including the Elm calls, showed that I was dead on, I went past it by one. So, I subtracted one from the number of calls it said for me to do a bam! Flawless Zapdos. Caught it in the first quick ball I threw at it.

[Eeveelover824]

I know you are going to laugh at me, but how do you hit your seed? (Sorry, I've just never tried this before and the online guides confuse me too much...What method am I using with rng reporter (I have 9.93 beta and 9.95 beta, which is better?) I should use Gen. 5 IVs, standard seed?

For DS parameters, I need to do a sweet scent check, I think I know how to do that, and can you put in the min and max ivs if the calculator says they are, say, 26-27 Ivs, the max is 27 and min is 26, right?
Should I put in any held buttons? And what is soft reset? Can I choose to not fill in the initial seed if I don't know it yet? And then hit search? (Just checking to see if these are the correct steps) Then do I use the result in the time finder? Do I hit my seed just by starting the game at the time mentioned in the time finder? Do I have to advance the frame at all or will the recorder do my starting frame and the frame I'm trying to hit?

Sould I select "Search for nearby shiny frames" and "use true minimum frame?"

I really appreciate everyone's effort to answer my questions! Sorry for being a bother!

okay one question at a time lol its alright though were here to help...sorry just overflowed with alot of questions for the first though hit a seed means the target your hitting for example you want a flawless hp dark shiny...if you get it that is your hit your seed...also first you must sweet sent a poke jot down its iv's and even the time you started your game up...date time but when doing time make sure its one sec ahead if its a ds lite or original ds when you load your game up at the loading screen of the beginning ds with the clock...lets start there...you need to find your perimeters to find the right timer for your game before rnging anything...also guys attempting this landous and with moving npc sadly :/

[AmaNoGawa]

Okay, thanks
I've got the first part of it down, and I think I've got the rest of the steps too, thanks so much! Sorry for spilling out so many questions at once! :/

[pokemonjoe30]

Hi, quick question. I did everything I needed to do, found my parameters, and was about to rng for terrakion when rng reporter closed. Do I have to find my ds parameters every time I close rng reporter? Thanks.

[dewey911p]

they should be saved in RNG Reporter, but if there was an error that forced RNG Reporter to close, your parameters may have been erased. If so, you can manually renter them, or just find them again. Under normal circumstances though, your parameters will not b erased once RNG Reporter is closed

[pokemonjoe30]

ok, thank you

[AlexBW]

If the IVs are wrong then you just need to advance the IVRNG (or don't advance it if you accidentally did the first time. Simply walk 128 steps with the right number of pokemon in your party and the IV RNG will advance by that many. If your party has 3 pokemon after 128 steps your IVRNG will be frame 4 (# pokemon + 1 starting frame = 4). Do note that if you are in an area with wild pokemon (surfing, a cave, grass) walking will advance the PIDRNG too and your nature and shininess will be affected. Just recalculate your SSF and then do the right number of flips

But how I know the IVRNG, I know what does PIDRNG means but I have never heard about IVRNG. If it usefull, I also know how to use the Mersenne Twister method( the one the decide only ivs) please I need help. It's in B/W

[Pokemans man]

But how I know the IVRNG, I know what does PIDRNG means but I have never heard about IVRNG. If it usefull, I also know how to use the Mersenne Twister method( the one the decide only ivs) please I need help. It's in B/W

well the IVRNG is the separate rng that controls the ivs
what i have found it is easiest to do is not to manipulate it at all
which means the ivs you want should be at frame 1 ( for wild encounters ) or 8 (for breeding)
or if you are trying to rng a wild pokemon with no wandering npcs around ( such as terrakion) then you can walk 128 steps with the amount of pokemon in your party that you need to advance the ivrng by -1 pokemon ( eg if your iv frame was 6 you would take 1 from 6, because it starts at one, then walk 128 steps with 5 pokes in your party)
but dont do this for breeding because as you walk the wandering npcs will keep advancing your PIDRNG
hope this helped

[Chauzu]

Ok, I'm having some trouble rnging a Staryu at Route 13 (B/W). It's my first Wild Surf rng.

I have previously managed to rng a stationary legendary (Terrakion), a flawless Ditto and a Hidden Power Grass 70 Golduck. Just to show I am able to make this work.

I have litte problem hitting my seed either, I hit it like 90% of the time. I start of trying to verify my starting frame, mashing X to get the menu up right away. So I catch the first Pokemon twice, checking IV's and all to be sure there's no mistake. Then I use Chatot to skip a frame and repeat the procedure, and then I skip two frames so that I know what to look for in the RNG reporter. This has worked before but this time, I can't find a match in the RNG Reporter, and I've checked the first 1000 frames.

I had similair problems when I first tried to catch the Golduck, so I changed my route where I tried to catch it and had no problems, and I wonder if this can be because of all the NPC's around? But surely they can't affect the frame that far? Well, in any case, I'm lost.

[dewey911p]

route 13 does indeed have NPCs and that can affect your results. Is your IV frame 1 and is there any weather in the area? The results may not be side by side in RNG reporter, but they may be a few frames apart from each other. Also, double check to make sure the main window is setup properly and you are using a proper seed. Did you mark time finder down for surfing when you searched for a seed? Did you mark down the ability of the lead pokemon if it is relevant (synchronize, Cute Charm, Suction Cups, etc). Did you mark down the same information in the main window (wild pokemon surfing, suction cups, all that apply). Double check the setup first and make sure everything is right, and if all is right, then it could just be the NPCs/weather/Timer0

[Chauzu]

The results may not be side by side in RNG reporter, but they may be a few frames apart from each other.

I've never heard of this before so it got me curious. I've always assumed the results need to be next to each other. But if this is the case, does it mean that I should try and find similarities; i e the results I expect aren't next to each other, but maybe 2 or 3 frames apart.

For the rest: I hit the proper seed, I've double checked the IV's several times so that's no probs. I did the timer search for surf wild and at first I didn't use any special leads, but I did put a Synchronizer now (so I guess I'll skip that). There's no weather. IV frame is 1.

And now I remember I forgot to say thanks for the quick reply! =)

[The Eleventh]

I've never heard of this before so it got me curious. I've always assumed the results need to be next to each other. But if this is the case, does it mean that I should try and find similarities; i e the results I expect aren't next to each other, but maybe 2 or 3 frames apart.

Yes, due to the WNPCs on Route 13.

[Typhlosion X]

Yes, due to the WNPCs on Route 13.

I've done a few RNGs on route 13 (4 Absol and a Staryu using the area I'm about to post, without having to adjust Chatters at all) and if you RNG in the patch of grass next to the Socialite and Black Belt, or in the water north of it, close to the Black Belt again, then the WNPCs won't advance there for some reason. I guess it's because the route is big enough that the part of the map where the WNPCs do advance frames isn't loaded.

[Chauzu]

I've done a few RNGs on route 13 (4 Absol and a Staryu using the area I'm about to post, without having to adjust Chatters at all) and if you RNG in the patch of grass next to the Socialite and Black Belt, or in the water north of it, close to the Black Belt again, then the WNPCs won't advance there for some reason. I guess it's because the route is big enough that the part of the map where the WNPCs do advance frames isn't loaded.

Thousands of thanks for this! Suddenly I got the Staryu after 15 mins... Surreal after fighting for like two days, haha. Many, many thanks!

Next stop for me is to try breeding rng I guess. I hope I won't face the same problems I had before with this Staryu.

[Vandslaux]

Thundurus's SSF would need to be at least 540 + initial PID frame, since it lasts at least 9 seconds, right? Also, would 694 be a hittable frame?

[Agonist]

Thundurus's SSF would need to be at least 540 + initial PID frame, since it lasts at least 9 seconds, right? Also, would 694 be a hittable frame?

Yeah, that sounds right. And 694 should be hittable, but you may have to check, just in case.

[V4LOVER]

I never got the Entralink RNG up and running, so I decided to step down and try breeding RNG first.

First, I did a simple flawless Impish Gligar (non-DW ability) from a female DW Gligar and a flawless Ditto. After a couple of tries I succeeded.

Now I took out the Ditto, put in the new Gligar, and searched for seeds (parent IVs are exactly the same, since the new father is still flawless). I found one from January 2011 that resulted in a shiny flawless DW Gligar.

I've tried this one a bit but to no avail. I have a question or two.

1. When I put in the Everstone nature, do I have to search for that nature as well, or will it automatically search for Everstone-affected frames?
2. When I receive a seed with a frame, do I advance it through running with the certain number of Pokemon in the party, or with a Chatot? The Chatot worked the first time, but it doesn't seem to work all subsequent times.

Here's the "output to .txt" for the seed that RNG Reporter gave me.


Seed - AAA6AD37317C9EF9
Frame - 73
PID - 1F8605C6
!!! - !!!
Nature - Bold
Ability - 0
Dream Ability - True
Hidden Power - Dark 70
50% F - M
25% F - M
12.5%F - M
75%F - M
Date/Time - 01/03/11 17:45:28
Keypress - None

Is this an everstone one? "Bold" is not bold, if that indicates one.

[Vandslaux]

I did 0 flips and got Calm, Mischievous. I'm using 9.95. The only things within reason that match this are 578 and 705, but 10 flips gives Hasty, Alert to Sounds on frame 606. I'm starting to think my SSF is higher than my target frame. I've read that there's something wrong with certain versions of RNG Reporter regarding characteristics?

[The Eleventh]

1. When I put in the Everstone nature, do I have to search for that nature as well, or will it automatically search for Everstone-affected frames?

You must enter the desired nature.

2. When I receive a seed with a frame, do I advance it through running with the certain number of Pokemon in the party, or with a Chatot? The Chatot worked the first time, but it doesn't seem to work all subsequent times.

Running advances both the IV and PIDRNG frame. The IV frame should not be advanced when breeding, so the IV frame given is always eight for breeding. You will need to advance the PID frame, though, which is done through Chatot advances.

Is this an everstone one? "Bold" is not bold, if that indicates one.

It's not an Everstone frame, then, iirc.

I did 0 flips and got Calm, Mischievous. I'm using 9.95. The only things within reason that match this are 578 and 705, but 10 flips gives Hasty, Alert to Sounds on frame 606. I'm starting to think my SSF is higher than my target frame. I've read that there's something wrong with certain versions of RNG Reporter regarding characteristics?

Any such errors should be fixed in the latest RNG Reporter. 578-606 sounds plausible to me; the rain advances are very erratic. Try twenty advances and observe your results.

[Vandslaux]

I also have another question. The last time I tried to RNG in White 2 was just before I used the Memory Link for the first time, and now I have gotten 3 flashbacks and the Bianca battle. How does the Memory Link affect the RNG?

[Typhlosion X]

I also have another question. The last time I tried to RNG in White 2 was just before I used the Memory Link for the first time, and now I have gotten 3 flashbacks and the Bianca battle. How does the Memory Link affect the RNG?

I've heard it just shifts a few starting frames forward by 1 frame, but other than that I don't think it does anything. I don't think there's any way to tell what seeds it messes with except through actually RNGing, at least until a new RNG Reporter's released.

[Alter ego]

Quick question~

Because of the moving NPC in route 3, I need to know my SSF, right? So I need Sweet Scent a Pokémon in the grass arean and check it's IV's, which let's me to advance my frames correctly.

[Pokemans man]

Well an easier method is just to press x until the menu comes up and then exit and receive the egg
Then if it corresponds to the ivs nature characteristic etc. that's you SSF and you can calculate the number of advances needed