*Revamped RNG Discussion/Help Thread [Do not ask about Gen 6 RNG]

[Silvershark]

Just here to thank a lot Silvershark for letting me know such a great method of knowing pkmn's IVs.

Although.....the "funny" thing is my Emolga's IVs were already correct as I knew them before...so I'm still here trying to figure out why in the world I was able to hatch a shiny Alomomola and Lillipup in 1 attempt each, but it's been taking me WEEKS with this little effin' flying squirrel.
I guess I'll try a couple dozen times at finding my starting frame, to completely rule out the possibility of timer0 trolling. Other than that, I'm out of ideas. I really am .______.

You're welcome, glad I could help.

Some seeds just aren't as cooperative as others. If it's the Timer0 trolling you, try re-saving in front of the daycare man, that usually helps. That also may shift the starting frame by 1-2 frames from the previous RNG attempts (at least it does when I do it). Based on your earlier posts, I'm guessing its the Timer0, or you just have a seed that's very tricky to hit.

[Bokk]

Yeah, that's right. One useful thing I've heard is using a DS Phat/Lite's clock to sync to the 3DS, but at that point it begs the question as to why you're not using the DS Lite in the first place. At any rate, a 3DS has more Timer0's than a DS Phat or Lite.

Thanks for all your help, Agonist. Much appreciated.

[Flying Ludo]

OMG YESSSSHHHHH

Finally I was able to get something good out of my game. I tried to breed with another pokemon whose IVs were revealed from the battle vid in pokecheck, and it freaking worked. I hatched a male shiny Tepig with 31/31/29/26/29/28. Though I did have to try a couple times both when finding the starting frame and hitting the one I wanted, so I guess the main issue I had lately was a bit of lack of patience. Now I'm so much more motivated to keep trying for an Emolga. Imma get that ***** to hatch meh a brunette! >: O

But not right now. Now, I just can't wait to transfer this lil beauty over to B2 and start playing it...

[Bokk]

Does anyone else get an error when they check off Black/White 2 underneath calculate initial frame?

[JTrainer]

Does anything advance the PID frame in the area in Castelia City where you can catch wild eevees? Cause I tried to RNG there and I kept getting weird results whenever I tried advancing the frame via chatot chattering.

[Pidj]

Does anything advance the PID frame in the area in Castelia City where you can catch wild eevees? Cause I tried to RNG there and I kept getting weird results whenever I tried advancing the frame via chatot chattering.

I am very interested in this answer as this is where I have calibrated.

Its just occurred on me that as this little area is classed as castelia city all of the wnpc's on the streets (not visible in this little patch) could be advancing the frame like crazy. I originally assumed that as there are no wnpc's in this small area it would be perfect for calibration!

[Agonist]

I am very interested in this answer as this is where I have calibrated.

Its just occurred on me that as this little area is classed as castelia city all of the wnpc's on the streets (not visible in this little patch) could be advancing the frame like crazy. I originally assumed that as there are no wnpc's in this small area it would be perfect for calibration!

No, there aren't any WNPCs in the park.

[Flying Ludo]

Btw, is it true what I'm hearing, that you can't abuse eggs in BW2? If it is, why?

[Pidj]

No, there aren't any WNPCs in the park.

There goes that idea as to why I'm not hitting seeds.

[Agonist]

Btw, is it true what I'm hearing, that you can't abuse eggs in BW2? If it is, why?

Because GF badly screwed up the generation of eggs.

There goes that idea as to why I'm not hitting seeds.

You can probably chalk it up to T0 troll.

[Fearless123]

Because GF badly screwed up the generation of eggs.



You can probably chalk it up to T0 troll.

I thought BW2 actually made breeding easier? I know they made it easier to pass down natures and abilities at least...

[dewey911p]

I thought BW2 actually made breeding easier? I know they made it easier to pass down natures and abilities at least...

They made it easier for the average person to get better results, yes, but the IV generation for eggs is so screwed up that it is impossible to manipulate them via RNGing. For starters, if you collect an egg, hatch it, and than reset with out saving and turn the game on again and repeat the process, you will get the exact same egg. Once that egg is collected and hatched the egg generation process goes through some complex and weird RNG calls that make RNGing the IVs neigh impossible. Throw in several NPCs on the daycare route and BAM the inability to control either RNG is crafted.

[Fearless123]

They made it easier for the average person to get better results, yes, but the IV generation for eggs is so screwed up that it is impossible to manipulate them via RNGing. For starters, if you collect an egg, hatch it, and than reset with out saving and turn the game on again and repeat the process, you will get the exact same egg. Once that egg is collected and hatched the egg generation process goes through some complex and weird RNG calls that make RNGing the IVs neigh impossible. Throw in several NPCs on the daycare route and BAM the inability to control either RNG is crafted.

So does this mean that to RNG eggs we have to use BW only? It seems like GF is trying to stamp out RNGers.

[dewey911p]

So does this mean that to RNG eggs we have to use BW only? It seems like GF is trying to stamp out RNGers.

Yeah, egg abuse should only, and really can only, be done on B/W.

Don't worry about GF trying to stop RNGing though, there are much simpler things they could have to stop RNGing with out affecting the casual player. Remember, this error stops people from SR for shiny eggs too. At the same time they made it easier to breed a more perfect battle ready pokemon without RNGing it. No more do you have to hope that pokemon with 5 IVs of 31 has the right nature, and a few other things too. It seems like they are trying to close the gap between RNGers and everyone else.

As for stomping out RNGing, well there are easier things they could have done instead of screwing up egg IV generation. Ever try to RNG something in the rain, or with the C-Gear? If they had just put some permanent rain on route 3 (B/W2 apparently doesn;t let you get rid of the weather any more) RNG beeding would have intentionally stayed in B/W. The researchers have said it was a simple error that could have easily been overlooked, so I wouldn;t worry to much about it.

[monkeyman192]

I want to try and do some RNG-ing for shiny legendaries on white 2, so I have had a read of plenty of articles and watched a fair few youtube tutorials, including ones specifically for BW2, but I cannot seem to get any reults for finding my timer0...
I have tried both my ds's (lite and 3DS) and I keep getting 0 results when I do the unova link thing... I was originally trying the method that was used for BW by doing the sweet scent etc, but I could never get any frames that looked anything like what I was aiming for or anything anywhere near it...
All the times and MAC addresses are correct for the unova link and I am holding down no buttons...
I have done plenty of RNG in sapphire/ruby but nothing in 5th gen...
Any help would be greatly appreciated!!

[PowerMiner]

Well, I still haven't RNGed my Reshiram... I've tried, but it's never had the right IVs or Nature. I've never RNGed a Stationary Pokemon before, does talking to Reshiram advance the frame, or something? I'm hitting my seed right, and using Chatots to advance the frame. I click IVs (Standard Seed) as my method, and Stationary Pokemon, on the main window I click Gen 5 PIDRNG and Stationary Pokemon again. I paste my seed, check BW2, and enter my ID/SID. Right now I have on the Time Finder window Min Frame 1 and Max Frame 150. My current seed is Frame 58, (Starting frame 54), 1/01/2012, 13:58:19, Timer0 10F3 (My profile is set to 10F3-10F5). My aim is to get a 31/x/31/31/31/31 Reshiram with a Modest/Timid nature.

Am I not supposed to be using Chatots for this? Is something advancing the frame? This is in White 2, at Dragonspiral Tower, and with an Original DS. Is there a flaw in my method? I've tried so many times its very hard for me to believe that this is just my Timer0.

[Bokk]

For RNGing a shiny growlithe in grass with specific IVs do I use the PIDrng method or the IVs (standard seed) method in the time finder? Sorry for so many questions, I've never RNGed Pokemon in tall grass before.

[erox]

Lol well atleast now I know why I wasn't able to rng the egg I wanted in black 2. This makes things more complicated :/

[dewey911p]

Well, I still haven't RNGed my Reshiram... I've tried, but it's never had the right IVs or Nature. I've never RNGed a Stationary Pokemon before, does talking to Reshiram advance the frame, or something? I'm hitting my seed right, and using Chatots to advance the frame. I click IVs (Standard Seed) as my method, and Stationary Pokemon, on the main window I click Gen 5 PIDRNG and Stationary Pokemon again. I paste my seed, check BW2, and enter my ID/SID. Right now I have on the Time Finder window Min Frame 1 and Max Frame 150. My current seed is Frame 58, (Starting frame 54), 1/01/2012, 13:58:19, Timer0 10F3 (My profile is set to 10F3-10F5). My aim is to get a 31/x/31/31/31/31 Reshiram with a Modest/Timid nature.

Am I not supposed to be using Chatots for this? Is something advancing the frame? This is in White 2, at Dragonspiral Tower, and with an Original DS. Is there a flaw in my method? I've tried so many times its very hard for me to believe that this is just my Timer0.

With 6+ Timer0s to hit, you shouldn't write that possibility off so quick. I spent 2 days one time hitting my other Timer0 value with 95% accuracy, and that was on White version with only 2 values, imagine the horror that 6 Timer0s can bring. It really hasn't been that bad for B/W2 though, not for me personally and not for others I hear from as well. Sure, on occasion people get a seed that is particularly obnoxious and takes hours or even a few days to hit, but for the most part it hasn't been much more difficult than B/W.

With that being said though, your issue is most definitely something else.

Right now I have on the Time Finder window Min Frame 1 and Max Frame 150. My current seed is Frame 58

Bingo! In Time Finder, under the capture tab, the Min/Max boxes are referring to IV frames. Right now you are using an IV frame of 58, which means you would need to advance the IV frame by 57, which is going to take WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY to long to even bother attempting. Set the Min/Max boxes to 1 and just find a seed on IV frame 1. From there you seem to have the process down just fine. By using an IV frame of 1 you will only need to advance the PIDRNG which is just chatot flips. Since Reshiram cannot be shiny than all you are aiming for is the right nature, so grab a sync, verify the seed with a few chatot flips, and you should get it within no time at all.

Do note though, you need to stop 1 PID frame before your target. So if your aiming for a PID frame of 60, make sure to stop on 59 as initiating the battle will advance the PIDRNG by 1.

For RNGing a shiny growlithe in grass with specific IVs do I use the PIDrng method or the IVs (standard seed) method in the time finder? Sorry for so many questions, I've never RNGed Pokemon in tall grass before.

You would first find the IV frame in time finder, it is best to use an IV frame of 1. There is also an option to search for nearby shiny spreads (a little check box on the right side of time finder), check that and put in the highest PID frame you are willing to go to. Personally I do 1000, but if you don;t want to do more than 500 chatot flips, or even 300, put that number there instead. Just remember, the higher the number the more results. When you go to RNG the pokemon, you would select Gen 5 PIDRNG in the main window and wild pokemon. From there just hit your seed, verify with chatot pitches, and flip away until you get to your frame.

[Bokk]

You would first find the IV frame in time finder, it is best to use an IV frame of 1. There is also an option to search for nearby shiny spreads (a little check box on the right side of time finder), check that and put in the highest PID frame you are willing to go to. Personally I do 1000, but if you don;t want to do more than 500 chatot flips, or even 300, put that number there instead. Just remember, the higher the number the more results. When you go to RNG the pokemon, you would select Gen 5 PIDRNG in the main window and wild pokemon. From there just hit your seed, verify with chatot pitches, and flip away until you get to your frame.

Thank you! Fortunately, I found my DS lite and my Pokemon Black. I guess I can do eggs once again.

[Black Inc.]

Has anyone RNGed their starter for Black 2? If so, how did you hit the right PID frame? I know I have to advance the PID by saving like I did in Black, but I am having trouble consistently hitting the right timer0. If I do the correct number of advances but hit the wrong timer0, won't the WNPCs be in a different position when I have to start over? So will that mean the initial frame is different every time? Any help is appreciated.

[dewey911p]

Has anyone RNGed their starter for Black 2? If so, how did you hit the right PID frame? I know I have to advance the PID by saving like I did in Black, but I am having trouble consistently hitting the right timer0. If I do the correct number of advances but hit the wrong timer0, won't the WNPCs be in a different position when I have to start over? So will that mean the initial frame is different every time? Any help is appreciated.

RNGing the starters is a complete waste of time as they all benefit from at least one egg move. Aside from that, there are several NPCs in the area and no way to control your frame or verify if you hit the right seed. I can't really give you any tips on how to go about doing this since you cannot stop the NPCs, verify your seed, or control your frame, I would just recommend breeding the starter in B/W and transfer it over

[MSK]

Hi Guys

Looking for someone to do me a favour. I need someone to find my SID on White 2, I can't use pokecheck as I connect via the Nintendo USB and don't have a fixed IP address.
I did have someone who said they'd help but they let me down I can offer event's or RNG breeds although most of you can probably do these already so I'm basically throwing myself upon your mercy

[CodyBernheisel]

So im doing bw2 entralink rng I do all the steps right for the rng but my timefinder's IV's Dont match the auctual IV's I get when I hit the seed. Im going for 31/x/31/31/31/31 but it ends up something like 31/31/31/31/x/x Anyone know a fix?

[MoonRaker]

Fairly new to this thread but i have a few questions about rng egg abuse...
1) Can egg abuse be done on black2, white2 and is it done in the same way as black and white? (iknow the option is rng is there but not sure if it works in the same way)
2) Is it a necessity to you use two flawless parents in the day care when rng-ing for egg abuse or can you use for example one flawless male and a random female of the desired nature? I am confused because i know it says to use two flawless parents but is this a necessity or is it used to simply get a larger pool of desired results in rng.?