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    Quote Originally Posted by Mariya Shidou View Post

    Nice ad-hominem later, though. Why don't you ask Paul Armentano at NORML about that and find out how wrong you are. In fact, you don't have to: read these arguments. That's a lot of work and legit scientists on a case for something that's, in your words, "just [because they] want to get stoned and not have to worry about being thrown in jail for it."
    I'm not denying that marijuana has medicinal uses. I'm just saying that the vast majority of the pro-marijuana group don't care about that. They don't have cancer, they just want to get high. And if we do legalize medical marijuana, as 14 states and Washington, D.C. already have, its a guarantee we will see an upshot in people having "chronic pains" or using it for "stress relief".

    And while marijuana can be used medicinally, it can also go way the other direction. Marijuana causes the heart rate to shoot up between 20% and 100%--making marijuana smokers 5 times as likely to have a heart attack right after smoking. In younger smokers, it can stunt basic emotional development and cause paranoia in their still-growing brains. And if you have an anxiety disorder, marijuana may actually cause a panic attacks. Overall, marijuana users are more likely to get sick and miss work than non-users. And finally, it hasn't been proven, but it's been suggested that marijuana may causes schizophrenia in young users. Not to mention, smoking in general is bad for you--it deteriorates lung tissue.

    I can link to things, too.
    Here's the heart rate study. Here's the panic attack one. This is the one about paranoia. The one regarding illness. Here's the one that contends marijuana causes schizophrenia.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChedWick View Post
    Yes really. Maybe you didn't think your comments through very well but the budget for the war on drugs is outstanding. All to stop the import of it, the low level sell of it and street level use/possession of it. Make it legal and the need for black market trafficking greatly goes down as well as the need to stop it. Legalize it and we cut down on the need to try and jail non-violent "criminals." Coming up with new regulations wont take long. The government even with its habit of not ever doing anything constantly come up with hundred page proposals as if they are making instant mac. The tax argument you have isn't the DEA problem, it's an IRS problem and like the majority of other stuff bought and sold between street dealers will likely have a blind eye turned to them.
    Do you realize the War on Drugs is international and targets more than just marijuana, right? Legalizing marijuana won't stop the war on drugs, and if it does lower the cost of the WoD it won't be a huge difference at all. The U.S. gives hundreds of millions of dollars to Colombia alone, and Colombia isn't distributing marijuana, it's mostly exporting cocaine. If we make marijuana legal, we still have to help Colombia with cocaine. And that's just one example.
    And yes, black market distribution of marijuana will go down, but it won't stop altogether. The proposed tax on marijuana (the one that would "fix" the economy) is $50. You know as well as I do that people won't want to pay $50 to get high, so there will still be black market sales of marijuana. And just because someone is non-violent doesn't mean they aren't a criminal. That's ridiculous. Prisons are full of robbers, embezzlers, etc. Do you remember Bernard Madoff? How about Rod Blagojevich? Neither of them committed acts of violence, but do you consider them criminals?
    Ok, even if coming up with new regulations doesn't take long, it will still be a pain to enforce. It's easier for the DEA when everything about marijuana falls under the umbrella of "illegal". If heavier types of marijuana are illegal, etc, the DEA has a harder time because it has to investigate, test the sample, and more before it can tell if the weed is illegal or not. So it won't save time for the DEA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaiser soze View Post
    If you oppose Tobacco on the health risks of smoking (especially the Secondhand Smoke argument) yet support Marijuana legalization that's called being hypocritical.
    No its called being well educated on the subject, here in AMERICA schools are now making it a priority to educated their students on this exact subject. So after spending a couple months taking a class on alcohol, tobacco, marijuana, crack, etc. I think know exactly what i'm talking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noahdaboa View Post
    No its called being well educated on the subject, here in AMERICA schools are now making it a priority to educated their students on this exact subject. So after spending a couple months taking a class on alcohol, tobacco, marijuana, crack, etc. I think know exactly what i'm talking about.
    Sure doesn't seem that way. And what part of this America do you live in where schools aren't prioritizing standardized test in the curriculum.
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    About 97% of these women posing for pornographic pictures are held at gunpoint, and it can be anywhere. The majority of the time is by force.
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    I'm not too keen on the stuff but I'm not gonna go on a rant about how dangerous marriageuwanna is either, so I'll just say that as long as I can get my high!Morty humor fics then I'm all for the drug.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Charminions View Post
    It being illegal just makes them kids want it more to be "badass". Seeing as tobacco and alcohol are legal, why isn't marajuana?
    Because marajuana is easy to grow which would make it harder for the government to make money off of it. Tobacco is pretty hard to keep alive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KickAsh View Post
    I'm not denying that marijuana has medicinal uses. I'm just saying that the vast majority of the pro-marijuana group don't care about that.
    Prove. It. Or else you're just spouting ad hominem attacks.

    They don't have cancer, they just want to get high. And if we do legalize medical marijuana, as 14 states and Washington, D.C. already have, its a guarantee we will see an upshot in people having "chronic pains" or using it for "stress relief".
    This is the case if we assume legalization of only medical marijuana and not recreational use of marijuana.

    And while marijuana can be used medicinally, it can also go way the other direction. Marijuana causes the heart rate to shoot up between 20% and 100%--making marijuana smokers 5 times as likely to have a heart attack right after smoking. In younger smokers, it can stunt basic emotional development and cause paranoia in their still-growing brains. And if you have an anxiety disorder, marijuana may actually cause a panic attacks.
    Like any drug, marijuana will not be prescribed to everyone. It should perhaps be prescription-only, but that is legal. You know who will prescribe it? Trained medical professionals, who will know if the risks outweigh the benefits or not.

    Besides, all other medicines have side effects, some up to and including death. Maybe we should just ban all medicine. After all, what you're saying here would support that view, too.

    Overall, marijuana users are more likely to get sick and miss work than non-users. And finally, it hasn't been proven, but it's been suggested that marijuana may causes schizophrenia in young users. Not to mention, smoking in general is bad for you--it deteriorates lung tissue.
    Really. I never would have guessed. You do know that you can get THC from sources besides smoking, right?

    I can link to things, too.
    And while I do appreciate it, thank you also for being kind of a condescending douche about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R4GEKILL!!! View Post
    Saying that weed dosen't help you is like saying TV dosen't help you. Or playing pokemon dosen't help you. IT'S NOT TO HEAL AIDS OR CANCER BRO, IT'S FOR PERSONAL ENJOYMENT.
    So wait,
    Drinking alcohol is for personal enjoyment too, right?
    But when does personal enjoyment end and where does the severe risk factor take over?
    Every time you smoke/take a swig, you risk the lives of those around you. Likely because you are going to do something stupid. Like get behind the wheel of a car while drunk or high and kill a innocent driver on the highway. Because for what? PERSONAL ENJOYMENT? Kinda f**ked up bro.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChedWick View Post
    I'd also like to point out that driving under the influence covers ALL substances that impair ones judgement, not just alcohol. So it would apply to THC, thus making driving while smoking still illegal.
    No matter what though, Weed is addictive.
    Just like any other drug or STIMULANT. Because if you start using the same chemical over and over, your body develops a dependency on it to function normally. That in itself is an addiction.
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    [QUOTE=Mariya Shidou;13196503]It is. I'd have to dig up the Lancet article, but marijuana is less addictive and less harmful than either tobacco or alcohol, both of which are legal. Marijuana contains tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) which, as we know, has various health benefits, up to and including staving off cancer.

    Yes, THC is the medicine used to help treat nausea which people prefer to smoke than take tablets as it is easier to control and prevent an overdose. A great reason alone to legalize marijuana.

    Legalizing and taxing marijuana is a good thing. End of story. I also believe that if you oppose its legalization, you should also be in favor of illegalizing tobacco and alcohol, but this is personal opinion.
    Agreed. If the government legalizes marijuana, then they can tax it, control the potency and the purity (to check the marijuana isn't spiked or laced with other crap) to reduce health risks. Legalizing marijuana would boost revenue and remove the 'anti-social' tag it has. It's a win, win situation for everyone, especially me as I currently have a police warning for being caught smoking marijuana and now I got to hide it in my socks when I go pick some up :/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lightning Raider View Post
    Agreed. If the government legalizes marijuana, then they can tax it, control the potency and the purity (to check the marijuana isn't spiked or laced with other crap) to reduce health risks. Legalizing marijuana would boost revenue and remove the 'anti-social' tag it has. It's a win, win situation for everyone, especially me as I currently have a police warning for being caught smoking marijuana and now I got to hide it in my socks when I go pick some up :/
    It's very easy to grow taxing wouldnt work well unless they kept it illegal to grow. Then I can see someone driving to a handy store and buys a pack like they would cigarattes, and gets high on the way home and boom he thought the minivan was a giant hot dog and starts chasing it and dies in a crash or kills others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mariya Shidou View Post
    You're right. That's not something that already happens.

    oh wait

    Really, that's not gonna change.
    More people will do it if it was legal. It would be easier to get and since it is legal more can try it.
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    A perfect world is a world without drugs.

    Sadly, we will never achieve the status of a perfect world.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ParadoxWithinAParadox View Post
    A perfect world is a world without drugs.

    Sadly, we will never achieve the status of a perfect world.
    How convincing.... Drugs save lives, guess a perfect world is a world of young deaths, pain, and disease.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kutie Pie View Post
    About 97% of these women posing for pornographic pictures are held at gunpoint, and it can be anywhere. The majority of the time is by force.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zenotwapal View Post
    So wait,
    Drinking alcohol is for personal enjoyment too, right?
    But when does personal enjoyment end and where does the severe risk factor take over?
    Every time you smoke/take a swig, you risk the lives of those around you. Likely because you are going to do something stupid. Like get behind the wheel of a car while drunk or high and kill a innocent driver on the highway. Because for what? PERSONAL ENJOYMENT? Kinda f**ked up bro.
    Nobody cares. People drink. People smoke. You're not really endangering others with marijuana. that's a stupid arguement. You make a good point on alcohol, but think to yourself: WHICH ONE IS LEGAL?
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    Quote Originally Posted by R4GEKILL!!! View Post
    Nobody cares. People drink. People smoke. You're not really endangering others with marijuana. that's a stupid arguement. You make a good point on alcohol, but think to yourself: WHICH ONE IS LEGAL?
    Getting behind the wheel of a car while high IS endangering everyone around you.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kutie Pie View Post
    About 97% of these women posing for pornographic pictures are held at gunpoint, and it can be anywhere. The majority of the time is by force.
    Lulz wat?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChedWick View Post
    Getting behind the wheel of a car while high IS endangering everyone around you.
    Getting behind the wheel of a car is dangerous anyway.
    And if you're not an idiot, you won't do it drunk/high.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ParadoxWithinAParadox View Post
    A perfect world is a world without drugs.

    Sadly, we will never achieve the status of a perfect world.
    Please defend this statement. Now I'm sure you mean drugs to mean "illegal drugs," as it often does. What about cigarettes and alcohol. Or if you just mean drugs in general, you are also including a large amount of medicines. Your statement is extremely nebulous.

    So, defend yourself. I'm sure you mean well (as you see it), but this statement, empty sloganeering with no defense shown, is not going to cut it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lugia p View Post
    It's very easy to grow taxing wouldnt work well unless they kept it illegal to grow. Then I can see someone driving to a handy store and buys a pack like they would cigarattes, and gets high on the way home and boom he thought the minivan was a giant hot dog and starts chasing it and dies in a crash or kills others.
    Yes if marijuana was legalized, the taxes would be obviously reasonable to prevent growers needing to sell it in the black market to avoid high taxes. The supply and demand for marijuana would be higher if marijuana is legal and taxes would be a fair price for that.

    Then I can see someone driving to a handy store and buys a pack like they would cigarattes, and gets high on the way home and boom he thought the minivan was a giant hot dog and starts chasing it and dies in a crash or kills others.
    You have a wild sense of imagination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lugia p
    Then I can see someone driving to a handy store and buys a pack like they would cigarattes, and gets high on the way home and boom he thought the minivan was a giant hot dog and starts chasing it and dies in a crash or kills others.
    Are You high right now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by R4GEKILL!!! View Post
    Getting behind the wheel of a car is dangerous anyway.
    And if you're not an idiot, you won't do it drunk/high.
    See thats the tricky thing with substances that IMPAIR YOUR JUDGMENT!
    Quote Originally Posted by Kutie Pie View Post
    About 97% of these women posing for pornographic pictures are held at gunpoint, and it can be anywhere. The majority of the time is by force.
    Lulz wat?

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    Quote Originally Posted by noahdaboa View Post
    Well I live in D.C. so we're pretty chill here. You live in pitt (half my family is from there so we're cool bro) But, don't get smart I never said there weren't sandardized tests considering I go to a private school with 40 k tuition.

    Back on topic!!!: So saw some pretty invalid arguements... Marijuana causing car crashes? How about alcohol causing car crashes? Guess what alcohol is legal and yet does that stop it from being illegal, well than i guess cars should be illegal -_-'

    See what I did there?
    Paraphrased me? Yea I see what you did there.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kutie Pie View Post
    About 97% of these women posing for pornographic pictures are held at gunpoint, and it can be anywhere. The majority of the time is by force.
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    Quote Originally Posted by R4GEKILL!!! View Post
    Are You high right now?
    Nope. And never will be. Only stupid people get high.
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    If marijuana is legalized, why not just legalize cocaine and heroin too? There are TONS of people who snort cocaine and shoot up heroin, just like there are tons of people who smoke marijuana. Combined, the money from legal sales would be through the roof.

    Sure, marijuana's harmful effects take much longer to show up than the 'hard drugs', but it's still a drug nonetheless.

    You also cannot back this up with 'marijuana usage isn't an addiction', because that is just complete nonsense. If you have the urge to get high, and cannot stop thinking about it until you do, to me, that is considered addiction. I'm sure there are tons of people who chase the high from marijuana, just like there are people who chase the high from the hard drugs.

    I, myself, am 100% against the legalization of any drug.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChedWick View Post
    How convincing.... Drugs save lives, guess a perfect world is a world of young deaths, pain, and disease.
    Medical Drugs = Save lives
    Street Drugs = Do barely any good for you.
    Quote Originally Posted by R4GEKILL!!! View Post
    Nobody cares. People drink. People smoke. You're not really endangering others with marijuana. that's a stupid arguement. You make a good point on alcohol, but think to yourself: WHICH ONE IS LEGAL?
    If you get behind a wheel of a fucking car while high off your ass, chances are you are going to hurt someone.
    I agree; neither should be legal. But come on, even ALCOHOL has more benefits than Marijuana does. Or better yet, any hard street drug.

    At this point R4GEKILL!!!, you are proving to me to be a fucking idiot who does not know any better about drugs. Get real. Street drugs kill. All street drugs are addictive. All nervous stimulants/depressants have the chance at being addictive (depending on the potency).
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    Yes it should be legalized nationwide. I see nothing wrong with it. I don't smoke it. But it makes you feel good as I've heard. so Yeah..

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkLink3 View Post
    Yes it should be legalized nationwide. I see nothing wrong with it. I don't smoke it. But it makes you feel good as I've heard. so Yeah..
    If you see nothing wrong with it then why don't you smoke it?
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