Duuuddee... Pass the blunt...

[ChinpokomonOh?]

Honestly it's unneeded and just a drug that causes people to waste there life. Everyone that smokes it always thinks that it clears there minds and helps them focus and see things more clearly. In reality it doesn't, I have a few friends that do it/use to do it quite often. They sound like complete idiots when they're high and don't make sense half the time. Marijuana is a pretty useless drug, I honestly don't even think it's needed for medical use. Maybe with cancer, but that's about it, sleeping and stress no way. A easy cure that works for 99% of people that can't sleep is exercise. A gym member ship is a lot cheaper than buying drugs every week. Same with stress, when you work out you release endorphins and makes you feel all happy, and it's natural. If Marijuana was legalized so many more kids would do worse in school, definitely a lot more drop outs. I feel like if it was legalized Americas average IQ would drop quite a few points.

People can't honestly think that it doesn't kill or alter brain cells. I've tried it a few times, and the way it makes you feel can't have any adverse effect. Every kind of medicine always has a down side to it. Even simple things like aspirin or Tylenol.

[Raddaya]

Honestly it's unneeded and just a drug that causes people to waste there life. Everyone that smokes it always thinks that it clears there minds and helps them focus and see things more clearly. In reality it doesn't, I have a few friends that do it/use to do it quite often. They sound like complete idiots when they're high and don't make sense half the time. Marijuana is a pretty useless drug, I honestly don't even think it's needed for medical use. Maybe with cancer, but that's about it, sleeping and stress no way. A easy cure that works for 99% of people that can't sleep is exercise. A gym member ship is a lot cheaper than buying drugs every week. Same with stress, when you work out you release endorphins and makes you feel all happy, and it's natural. If Marijuana was legalized so many more kids would do worse in school, definitely a lot more drop outs. I feel like if it was legalized Americas average IQ would drop quite a few points.

People can't honestly think that it doesn't kill or alter brain cells. I've tried it a few times, and the way it makes you feel can't have any adverse effect. Every kind of medicine always has a down side to it. Even simple things like aspirin or Tylenol.

Let's ban fast food, alcohol, porn, etc etc. Why not? Same deal with your things.

By the way, marijuana can be legal only for 18+(or 21+). Same deal with alcohol, isn't it? By the way, everything in that post is YOUR OPINION and it's interesting to know that you'd put your opinion against science.

[ChinpokomonOh?]

Let's ban fast food, alcohol, porn, etc etc. Why not? Same deal with your things.

By the way, marijuana can be legal only for 18+(or 21+). Same deal with alcohol, isn't it? By the way, everything in that post is YOUR OPINION and it's interesting to know that you'd put your opinion against science.

Well since fast food and porn don't kill brain cells it's not really the same thing. Alcohol maybe, but we tried to ban it before, we saw what happened. Same with cigarettes, if we were to ban them in alcohol not only would we have a lot of pissed of people, but our economy would indefinitely crash.

You think putting an age on it is going to stop people from buying/using it? Kids get it when it's illegal, making it legal and putting an age group on it isn't going to make it any harder to get. Every kid now days can get someone to get them Alcohol.

Also, everything I posted isn't just an opinion lol. The fact that Marijuana kills brain cells is highly believed among many scientists. The people who don't believe are the ones who actually smoke pot, go figure right? Same with the fact that exercise can help with sleeping disorders and depression. Fact. Every medicine has a down side is also a fact, go to medicine cabinet and read the warning labels. Every positive has a negative, that's the common formula in life. Your argument is irrelevant, because it's a falsity. I posted many facts, my only opinions were about the IQ and more kids dropping out of school. But, from the kids who smoked pot in my school, a lot of them barely passed, failed or just dropped out. So to me that's enough evidence to bring to a debate, because I doubt that only happened at my school. Think about it, 9 times out of 10, Marijuana users aren't in the top percentiles in any high schools.

[CSolarstorm]

Actually the highest achieving scholar at my school, who aced all her tests and went on to study neoliberalism at Berkeley was a chronic pot smoker. She was also bipolar and on numerous other medications, so it's quite a miracle what she achieved, yes? At least one of my doctors also clearly used pot.

Pot users are not stupid as a rule. Chronic pot smokers who use it to escape life...they might be. It's not the drug that makes them stupid though, it's the person using it.

Also, what makes brain cells more important than heart, kidney or liver cells?

[ChinpokomonOh?]

Actually the highest achieving scholar at my school, who aced all her tests and went on to study neoliberalism at Berkeley was a chronic pot smoker. She was also bipolar and on numerous other medications, so it's quite a miracle what she achieved, yes? At least one of my doctors also clearly used pot.

Pot users are not stupid as a rule. Chronic pot smokers who use it to escape life...they might be. It's not the drug that makes them stupid though, it's the person using it.

Also, what makes brain cells more important than heart, kidney or liver cells?

Yeah, that's why I said 9 times out 10, there is a kid at my school who had 4.0 all year. The long term effects of Marijuana can make you stupid, maybe not if you do every once in awhile, but if it's like most pot smokers, yes over time brain cells will die.

IMO, the brain is the most important organ, It controls... everything, it's what makes you see, feel, smell, touch, think and exists. Of course you need every organ to live, but one organ I rather not damage would be my brain.

[Mandi.]

Baw dur dur I'm gonna make useless assumptions on everyone who I don't know just because I know somebody who smokes pot who was probably an idiot before they started smoking anyways.

Making an age limit on it won't stop kids from getting a hold of it, but then again keeping it illegal won't stop people from getting it either. So I don't really see the argument here. Mind your own business. If you don't like it, that's fine, but don't try to tell others not to smoke it because you think it's making this already stupid world more stupid. I don't think the world can possibly get more out of hand anyways.

[ChinpokomonOh?]

Baw dur dur I'm gonna make useless assumptions on everyone who I don't know just because I know somebody who smokes pot who was probably an idiot before they started smoking anyways.

Making an age limit on it won't stop kids from getting a hold of it, but then again keeping it illegal won't stop people from getting it either. So I don't really see the argument here. Mind your own business. If you don't like it, that's fine, but don't try to tell others not to smoke it because you think it's making this already stupid world more stupid. I don't think the world can possibly get more out of hand anyways.

Lol, mind my own buisness? I'm simply stating my opinion, this is a debate, the argument is if you think it should be legal or illegal, I obviously think it should be illegal. If you don't want to read about any of the debate, no one is forcing you too. Also, I'm not making assumptions on everyone that who I don't know, I'm only making them on people I DO know. I can only go on what I see around me, I'm simply relaying what I observed throughout my high school career. And, you're saying we shouldn't try an help the world become more intelligent, best to stick with the easy root and just hope it doesn't work.

[Trainer Michael]

I know I might get a lot of opposition to this, but I'm 100% against the legalization of ANY drug, including marijuana. Drugs destroy families, lives, and it's the last thing we need in this country. We need to get as close as we can to a drug-free society, for the sake of our future children and grandchildren.

[Raddaya]

Lol, mind my own buisness? I'm simply stating my opinion, this is a debate, the argument is if you think it should be legal or illegal, I obviously think it should be illegal. If you don't want to read about any of the debate, no one is forcing you too. Also, I'm not making assumptions on everyone that who I don't know, I'm only making them on people I DO know. I can only go on what I see around me, I'm simply relaying what I observed throughout my high school career. And, you're saying we shouldn't try an help the world become more intelligent, best to stick with the easy root and just hope it doesn't work.

This is a debate forum. We do not debate opinions. We debate in facts. That is a link, by the way.

[ChedWick]

Lol, mind my own buisness? I'm simply stating my opinion, this is a debate, the argument is if you think it should be legal or illegal, I obviously think it should be illegal. If you don't want to read about any of the debate, no one is forcing you too. Also, I'm not making assumptions on everyone that who I don't know, I'm only making them on people I DO know. I can only go on what I see around me, I'm simply relaying what I observed throughout my high school career. And, you're saying we shouldn't try an help the world become more intelligent, best to stick with the easy root and just hope it doesn't work.

There's nearly 30 pages of arguments and facts that put your measly observations and opinions to the curb.

[ChinpokomonOh?]

A lot of what I posted is fact, like I said AGAIN, the only opinion was the observations I made in highschool, the rest were all legit, I just didn't post a link of it. Also I'm not going to read a whole article that you post, that's not how a debate works, you read the article then post the main points of it. Then I would then have to counter it.

If you guys only focus on the observations I made, which would actually be considered fact, just not as credible. Anyway, I can't help that you only focused on that part of my argument. To me it shows that you know the rest of it is correct and you have no other comments on it.

[ChedWick]

A lot of what I posted is fact, like I said AGAIN, the only opinion was the observations I made in highschool, the rest were all legit, I just didn't post a link of it. Also I'm not going to read a whole article that you post, that's not how a debate works, you read the article then post the main points of it. Then I would then have to counter it.

If you guys only focus on the observations I made, which would actually be considered fact, just not as credible. Anyway, I can't help that you only focused on that part of my argument. To me it shows that you know the rest of it is correct and you have no other comments on it.

O rly? Shall we examine a little.

Honestly it's unneeded and just a drug that causes people to waste there life. Everyone that smokes it always thinks that it clears there minds and helps them focus and see things more clearly. In reality it doesn't, I have a few friends that do it/use to do it quite often. They sound like complete idiots when they're high and don't make sense half the time. Marijuana is a pretty useless drug, I honestly don't even think it's needed for medical use. Maybe with cancer, but that's about it, sleeping and stress no way. A easy cure that works for 99% of people that can't sleep is exercise. A gym member ship is a lot cheaper than buying drugs every week. Same with stress, when you work out you release endorphins and makes you feel all happy, and it's natural. If Marijuana was legalized so many more kids would do worse in school, definitely a lot more drop outs. I feel like if it was legalized Americas average IQ would drop quite a few points.

People can't honestly think that it doesn't kill or alter brain cells. I've tried it a few times, and the way it makes you feel can't have any adverse effect. Every kind of medicine always has a down side to it. Even simple things like aspirin or Tylenol.

There are quite a few "I feel"s and "I think"s in there and your later posts. In fact, the only actual fact I see is the obvious one in your last sentence. Everything else you fabricated yourself.

And as for how debates work. You're late to the party and ill say again, there are 30 pages of arguments that lay your "opinions" and "facts" to rest. Being a late comer does not bar you from reading the thread.

[Mandi.]

And for a heads up Chin, try not to use the words 'everyone', 'every time', 'always' in debates. You can't judge the whole world. You're one person. It's like me trying to say that everyone I know that smokes weed is successful and smart and has five jobs and has a big house. Though I'm sure there are quite a bit of successful pot smokers out there, but I won't state it as a fact because honestly I don't know.

The rest of your argument about brain cells being damaged. Never put that down as a fact. Some say yes, some say no. I found this little source..

'Physical Effects of Marijuana on the Brain

In response to many negative claims against marijuana use, Morgan and Zimmer (1991) compiled existing literature and data into a single document in order to discredit what they felt were widespread myths about the drug.

One of these myths was that marijuana damages brain cells, and that this damage causes memory loss, cognitive impairment, and learning difficulties. They report that this claim is based on a study by Heath et. al (1980), in which structural changes in several regions of the brain were found in two rhesus monkeys exposed to THC, the active chemical in marijuana. These changes occurred primarily in the hippocampus, the area of the brain known to play an important role in learning and memory, which suggested that exposure to THC in humans would yield similar negative results.

However, according to Morgan and Zimmer, in order to achieve these damaging results, doses of up to 200 times the psychoactive dose in humans would have to be given. Even studies in which subjects were given 100 times the human dose failed to cause any structural impairment of the brain. Additionally, in a more recent study of rhesus monkeys by Slikker et. al (1992), in which the monkeys were exposed to the equivalent of 4-5 joints per day through face-mask inhalation for an entire year, seven months later there was no observed change in hippocampal structure, cell size, cell number, or synaptic configuration. As a result of these studies, Morgan and Zimmer concluded that the claim that marijuana causes physiological damage to brain cells is incorrect.

from http://healthpsych.psy.vanderbilt.ed...juanaBrain.htm
Sure it may not be the best credible source, but I'm putting down some information that others feel about this topic so my argument will be more credible.

If you can find a source to argue back at me about marijuana affecting brain cells, then I'd be happy to argue again. (:
on an unintelligent note, ..these monkeys probably love their job. :3

[ChinpokomonOh?]

O rly? Shall we examine a little.



There are quite a few "I feel"s and "I think"s in there and your later posts. In fact, the only actual fact I see is the obvious one in your last sentence. Everything else you fabricated yourself.

And as for how debates work. You're late to the party and ill say again, there are 30 pages of arguments that lay your "opinions" and "facts" to rest. Being a late comer does not bar you from reading the thread.

I see two, and the one in the last sentence I already knew and agreed it was an opinion, the other one was my owm personal thoughts on the matter, but it was backed up with facts about other ways to cure sleep disorders and depressions.

and LOL you're crazy if you think I'm going to read 30 pages of a thread

And for a heads up Chin, try not to use the words 'everyone', 'every time', 'always' in debates. You can't judge the whole world. You're one person. It's like me trying to say that everyone I know that smokes weed is successful and smart and has five jobs and has a big house. Though I'm sure there are quite a bit of successful pot smokers out there, but I won't state it as a fact because honestly I don't know.

The rest of your argument about brain cells being damaged. Never put that down as a fact. Some say yes, some say no. I found this little source..

'Physical Effects of Marijuana on the Brain



In response to many negative claims against marijuana use, Morgan and Zimmer (1991) compiled existing literature and data into a single document in order to discredit what they felt were widespread myths about the drug.

One of these myths was that marijuana damages brain cells, and that this damage causes memory loss, cognitive impairment, and learning difficulties. They report that this claim is based on a study by Heath et. al (1980), in which structural changes in several regions of the brain were found in two rhesus monkeys exposed to THC, the active chemical in marijuana. These changes occurred primarily in the hippocampus, the area of the brain known to play an important role in learning and memory, which suggested that exposure to THC in humans would yield similar negative results.

However, according to Morgan and Zimmer, in order to achieve these damaging results, doses of up to 200 times the psychoactive dose in humans would have to be given. Even studies in which subjects were given 100 times the human dose failed to cause any structural impairment of the brain. Additionally, in a more recent study of rhesus monkeys by Slikker et. al (1992), in which the monkeys were exposed to the equivalent of 4-5 joints per day through face-mask inhalation for an entire year, seven months later there was no observed change in hippocampal structure, cell size, cell number, or synaptic configuration. As a result of these studies, Morgan and Zimmer concluded that the claim that marijuana causes physiological damage to brain cells is incorrect.

from http://healthpsych.psy.vanderbilt.ed...juanaBrain.htm
Sure it may not be the best credible source, but I'm putting down some information that others feel about this topic so my argument will be more credible.

If you can find a source to argue back at me about marijuana affecting brain cells, then I'd be happy to argue again. (:
on an unintelligent note, ..these monkeys probably love their job. :3

Good article, but one thing that makes a huge difference is that Apes have a different immune system than humans. It's a lot stronger, so all drugs will effect them in different ways. Plus the experiment is over 20 years old.

Current research on marijuana attempts to track the long term effects marijuana has on brain cells, brain structure and brain function. Many researchers are most interested in the effects marijuana has on the brains of young people in adolescence, whose developing brains are vulnerable to drugs. Some fear that heavy marijuana use before age 21 can result in irreversible long term brain damage. Although this is only a theory, neuro-biological relationships between marijuana use and the brain have already shown that weed can affect:

Memory deficits – Persistent deficits in short term memory and information retention have been noted in chronic, heavy marijuana smokers (daily users) after 6 to 12 weeks of abstinence.

Mood disorders – Long term exposure to marijuana in the brain can permanently alter serotonin and norepinephrine, two neurotransmitters associated with both anxiety and mood disorders. As a result, chronic marijuana use may make you more susceptible to developing mood disorders such as depression or panic attacks.

Impaired function – Chronic adolescents who started smoking weed before age 16 showed significantly impaired abilities to perform simple tasks compared to occasional marijuana users or adolescents who abstain. Mental flexibility and focus were the most notable functional differences.

Schizophrenia – Population studies reveal an association between cannabis use and increased risk of schizophrenia. How? Experts think that marijuana can trigger the onset or relapse of schizophrenia in people predisposed to it, perhaps also intensifying their symptoms.


Effects on adolescents are still a theory, simply because we can't give kids marijuana and actually test it. The rest are effects that CAN happen from Marijuana, doesn't mean it always will. All human bodies are different, that's why cures aren't always 100 percent.

[Mandi.]

Current research on marijuana attempts to track the long term effects marijuana has on brain cells, brain structure and brain function. Many researchers are most interested in the effects marijuana has on the brains of young people in adolescence, whose developing brains are vulnerable to drugs. Some fear that heavy marijuana use before age 21 can result in irreversible long term brain damage. Although this is only a theory, neuro-biological relationships between marijuana use and the brain have already shown that weed can affect:

Source please?

Memory deficits – Persistent deficits in short term memory and information retention have been noted in chronic, heavy marijuana smokers (daily users) after 6 to 12 weeks of abstinence.

I can't argue this one. It's quite true as I have quite a bad memory sometimes, yet it's amazing at the same time. I don't know how to explain it lol. Not as much as a serious issue IMO.

Mood disorders – Long term exposure to marijuana in the brain can permanently alter serotonin and norepinephrine, two neurotransmitters associated with both anxiety and mood disorders. As a result, chronic marijuana use may make you more susceptible to developing mood disorders such as depression or panic attacks.

Cannabis has also been said to be associated with depression and anxiety. Some people do experience anxiety when they use cannabis. In many cases, they used it for some time before an anxiety reaction started. A cannabis panic or “paranoid” reaction is quite common amongst all types of cannabis users. Generally, users who start to regularly get panic reactions tend to stop using the drug.

Anecdotally, many persons report relief from anxiety, depression, tenseness and anger from the use of marijuana. A friend of mine who was in jail for marijuana said he met many angry prisoners who used marijuana to reduce their anger. I known young males who are chronically “hyper” – tense, restless and on the verge of anger. Regular marijuana use works well to completely alleviate this condition.
from http://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2...schizophrenia/

Impaired function – Chronic adolescents who started smoking weed before age 16 showed significantly impaired abilities to perform simple tasks compared to occasional marijuana users or adolescents who abstain. Mental flexibility and focus were the most notable functional differences.

I do agree with smoking before your old enough for your nervous system to be done developing. Found this. So not really an argument, though just stating that it pretty much says that marijuana doesn't really effect adult's as much.

Long-term and even daily marijuana use doesn't appear to cause permanent brain damage, adding to evidence that it can be a safe and effective treatment for a wide range of diseases, say researchers.

The researchers found only a "very small" impairment in memory and learning among long-term marijuana users. Otherwise, scores on thinking tests were similar to those who don't smoke marijuana, according to a new analysis of 15 previous studies.

In those studies, some 700 regular marijuana users were compared with 484 non-users on various aspects of brain function -- including reaction time, language and motor skills, reasoning ability, memory, and the ability to learn new information.

Surprising Finding

"We were somewhat surprised by our finding, especially since there's been a controversy for some years on whether long-term cannabis use causes brain damage," says lead researcher and psychiatrist Igor Grant, MD.

"I suppose we expected to see some differences in people who were heavy users, but in fact the differences were very minimal."

The marijuana users in those 15 studies -- which lasted between three months to more than 13 years -- had smoked marijuana several times a week or month or daily. Still, researchers say impairments were less than what is typically found from using alcohol or other drugs.

"All study participants were adults," says Grant, professor of psychiatry and director of the Center for Medicinal Cannabis Research Center at the University of California, San Diego School of Medicine.

"However, there might be a different set of circumstances to a 12-year-old whose nervous system is still developing."

from http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/n...t-damage-brain

Schizophrenia – Population studies reveal an association between cannabis use and increased risk of schizophrenia. How? Experts think that marijuana can trigger the onset or relapse of schizophrenia in people predisposed to it, perhaps also intensifying their symptoms.

One recent animal model showed that not only did cannabis cause mice to actually sprout new neurons in the hippocampus, but it also reduced measures of depression and anxiety. Opiates, tobacco, alcohol and cocaine all reduce neurogenesis in the hippocampus. The reduced depression and anxiety seemed to be caused by the neurogenesis. Cannabis also protects mice against brain cell death caused by alcohol.

There is also evidence that cannabis is protective against the neurotoxic effects of stroke and head injury. Further evidence shows that cannabis is effective in slowing the progression of various neurodegenerative diseases such as Alzheimer’s, MS, Parkinson’s, and ALS (Lou Gehrig’s Disease).

Given the evidence that cannabis does not seem to do much bad to your brain, and if anything seems to be neuroprotective and even neurostimulatory, it seems odd that this drug should be connected with such a devastating brain disease as schizophrenia.

Effects on adolescents are still a theory, simply because we can't give kids marijuana and actually test it. The rest are effects that CAN happen from Marijuana, doesn't mean it always will. All human bodies are different, that's why cures aren't always 100 percent.[/b]
from http://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2...schizophrenia/

[CSolarstorm]

Yeah, that's why I said 9 times out 10, there is a kid at my school who had 4.0 all year. The long term effects of Marijuana can make you stupid, maybe not if you do every once in awhile, but if it's like most pot smokers, yes over time brain cells will die.

IMO, the brain is the most important organ, It controls... everything, it's what makes you see, feel, smell, touch, think and exists. Of course you need every organ to live, but one organ I rather not damage would be my brain.

This is a never-ending cycle of debate here. Anyone can be against pot based on how people can abuse themselves with it. Just because other, even more potentially damaging things, like alcohol, grease and sugar, cars, are legal, doesn't even nullify the argument's validity against pot. It's all about your own values of how much you care about yourself, what abilities and body parts you would rather preserve. As long as you're arguing 'these are my values' then obviously nobody can tell you otherwise. What are we going to say 'no, those aren't your values'? And then some people put aside their own values and argue based on the freedoms that they would like others to have. We're just going to ping-pong back and forth between those two values-systems, aren't we?

[ChedWick]

I see two, and the one in the last sentence I already knew and agreed it was an opinion, the other one was my owm personal thoughts on the matter, but it was backed up with facts about other ways to cure sleep disorders and depressions.

Do provide your source for your factual statement that 99% of people can be cured of sleep disordered by exercise. And on that note. Have you seen the cost of gym memberships? Apart from your hole in the hall gyms and powder-puff cooperate gyms they typically cost an arm and a leg.

Read the thread, get learned because you're just coming off just as dumb as the friends you "observe".

[ChinpokomonOh?]

Do provide your source for your factual statement that 99% of people can be cured of sleep disordered by exercise. And on that note. Have you seen the cost of gym memberships? Apart from your hole in the hall gyms and powder-puff cooperate gyms they typically cost an arm and a leg.

Read the thread, get learned because you're just coming off just as dumb as the friends you "observe".

99% was obviously just a rough estimate. Also by 99% I meant people that say "I have trouble going to sleep" A lot of it is because people aren't active throughout today. Excessive video games also play a role in Insomnia as well. There are thing all over the internet about it lol. Google "Cures for Sleep disorders" It's not that hard. And have you ever been to a gym? Because they're like 20 - 30 a month. Any Time fitness is all over the place, they're cheap. Same with planet fitness. All 24/7 gyms, so if you can sleep you can go exercise any time of the day. I guarantee you 20 or 30 dollars is cheaper than what most people spend in a month on Marijuana. Besides, you don't even have to go to a gym. Pick up a sport, run or just do exercises at your house. You don't need a gym to do exercise lol.

"Get learned" lol, kind of ironic.

Funny how you keep posting stuff about what I said like 8 post ago, unlike you maybe, I don't have the time or the want to read 30 pages about marijuana. I'll try my best to "get learned" though LOLOL

[Lt Steel]

I've seen what it does to some of the "cool kids" who use it, and in my personal experience it's not pretty.
Lack of hygiene, bad smell, yellow teeth, and just a lack of intelligence in general. Me and my friends run for cross country and thankfully we know to avoid it. I say that it should be used for medical purposes when needed. Just because it grows in the ground doesn't mean i should smoke it. It's not like I eat random mushrooms that i find in my backyard either.

Now that's just my personal experience so it might differ from yours, but that's what i see normally.

[CSolarstorm]

I'll try my best to "get learned" though LOLOL

That's grammatically correct, just so you know. I don't know why you're laughing at it. Chedwick used the adjective 'learned' which describes the quality of having knowledge.