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    Well i don't smoke it nor do i have any intention to, and yes it should be banned as i hate hippies (but seriously it's illegal for a reason)

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    Perhaps Mexico should just have Marijuana shipped to those that request it in a special manner. That is much better than the current situation with the illegal aliens or having it legalized everywhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Simipour View Post
    Well i don't smoke it nor do i have any intention to, and yes it should be banned as i hate hippies (but seriously it's illegal for a reason)
    Tell us this reason.
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    I'm pretty sure 90% of all people who believe Marijuana should stay illegal aren't aware of why it was made illegal in the first place.

    They may as well legalize it, because people do it anyway. The activity is really not as uncommon as you think, you will learn that once you turn 20.
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    I've written much longer posts about this in the past and I'm not going to dig them up or write anything of length today, although some of the older posters here (GhostAnime?) may remember. But here's my few thoughts.

    As much as I think the illegality of marijuana and of drugs in general is destructive, one thing that sure ticks me off is the pure ignorance that perpetuates in most of the pro-marijuana lobby. Smoking dope is perceived as some sort of soft drug and almost harmless by far too many people, including almost all of the lobby. Unfortunately for the many who smoke it, that's simply not the case.

    Basically there is a lot of very good evidence linking marijuana to early onset psychosis and schizophrenia. It's both clearly visible if you do any work in mental health wards (a twenty year old with psychosis is a sad sight indeed, and its almost always correlated to marijuana), and more and more visible in the number of statistical and meta-analytical studies into the issue. A landmark paper in the Lancet from a few years ago springs to mind (unfortunately I don't have time to dig it up, I'm sure people who have debated this before would know of it though). This doesn't prove causation obviously and there are some strong arguments that THC merely lowers the threshold for psychosis (and thus unleashes it in those prone to it anyway) and this is something the smarter elements of the pro-cannabis lobby have lept onto, but let's consider what this actually means. It means that instead of having a possibility of developing psychosis when you're forty or fifty, you're going to get it when you're twenty after a year of getting high every weekend. I don't think many people who support the wider use of cannabis really understand fully what this would mean: schizophrenia is an incredibly disabling and debilitating disorder. If you develop it in your twenties your entire life is essentially blown to pieces: even if you make a recovery, from there it'd be almost impossible to be successful in your career, establish a family, do the things that in the long term you'd probably want to do with your life. From this point of view, marijuana is far more dangerous drug in far more subtle ways than cigarettes and alcohol.

    I'm not advocating for the full prohibition of marijuana. Personally I think it should be decriminalised, although I would want to see its sale remain illegal; if you take drugs its one thing but as far as I'm concerned dealers are the scum of the earth. People should have the ability to make the choice of what they want to do with their lives, and smoking pot is one of those choices. Unfortunately it is an incredibly bad choice, and a choice that many of those who now advocate it in a few years will come to regret.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Panda View Post
    If you take drugs its one thing but as far as I'm concerned dealers are the scum of the earth. People should have the ability to make the choice of what they want to do with their lives, and smoking pot is one of those choices.
    Amazing contradiction in a very small amount of text. Congratulations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snorunt conservationist View Post
    Amazing contradiction in a very small amount of text. Congratulations.
    No. Even though they make something of a choice (and often an incredibly compromised one) to take drugs, the addicts who came into the emergency ward I used to work in got a lot of sympathy from me. As for those who sold them the crack, very little. To profit from dealing complete poison to others is not just a choice about what a bikie gang member wants to do with their own life, it is a ruinous choice to thrive on the misfortunes of others. Pardon me if you find that blunt.

    EDIT: looking back on some of the previous things said in this thread, it seems very little people would care to argue about the harms of marijuana. I hope this means that everyone here accepts that it has substantial harms. I would be very open to debating these or their extent, if anyone wants to though, since the decriminalisation debate seems to be completely one-sided here, and I don't think I know enough to make anything close to a valued judgement on whether the sale of marijuana should be legal (I'm convinced it should remain illegal in the case of harder drugs, though).
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Panda View Post
    No.
    I'll think you'll find it was.

    Even though they make something of a choice (and often an incredibly compromised one) to take drugs
    Very important word in that bit. Starts with a c and ends with an e.

    To profit from dealing complete poison to others is not just a choice about what a bikie gang member wants to do with their own life it is a ruinous choice to thrive on the misfortunes of others. Pardon me if you find that blunt.
    You must hate bar owners and shopkeepers.

    EDIT: looking back on some of the previous things said in this thread, it seems very little people would care to argue about the harms of marijuana. I hope this means that everyone here accepts that it has substantial harms.
    Potential substantial harms. Another important word you forgot to add.

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    What has 'grass' accomplished anyway?
    What has 'grass' being illegal accomplished aside from waste millions of tax dollars on trying and putting away non-violent offenders?
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    I find something inherently wrong with the manner that it was made illegal in. It wasn't made illegal for health or social reasons really. It was made illegal for racial and economic reasons.
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    Lucky i live in holland where you just can buy weed in coffe shops
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    Even if it is less dangerous than alcohol, let it stay illegal. It may be weaker, but it's still a method of intoxication.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AuraSphere View Post
    Even if it is less dangerous than alcohol, let it stay illegal. It may be weaker, but it's still a method of intoxication.
    There are obviously slim to none 'accidents' due to the usage of marijuana, unlike the millions of people dying from alcohol abuse, whether it be car crash, or just living failure.

    The fact that alcohol is legal, yet it causes great amounts of deaths and injuries ..yet marijuana, which you ALWAYS hear about, yet it doesn't harm nearly anyone at all, and that's illegal still ..it really does not make sense at all. Why have a way more harmful substance legal, but not have a harmless herb legal? I understand why alcohol can't be illegalized (I mean I wouldn't want it to lose it's legal rights). But it's really silly how different these two substances are, yet one is still illegal and is so very harmless. (:

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    Frankly we should just give up the ghost and just legalize weed already.
    Alchol has been cited as an example of a more dangerous but also legal drug, however it also provides an excllent precedent for this discussion.
    Back before the great depression Congress passed a law stating that the production, possesion and use of alcohol was illegal. Now a great many people did not agree with said law and as such made their own alcohol anyway.
    If one were to substitute weed for booze than this would be very similar to what we are disucssing.
    Eventually, due to an inablity to effectivly police the production of alcohol, Congress repealled the law and instead made the consumption of acohol legal, but the sale of it was taxed. Today if we were to legalize weed, and place a tax on it similar to that of alcohol we would end up with happy people who can buy weed at a theoretically slightly cheaper price, along with a massive sourse of revenue for the goverment, along with putting money back inot the economy. Nobody loses much at all, and most parties stand to gain.
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    Ugh I hate to say this but maybe legal. If it's less dangerous than alchohol then why not? The only problem is limiting the intake...

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    i do not understand how this is not as bad as alcohol but it is illegal and alcohol isn't. Yes friends do get annoying when high but at least they don't try to injure themselves and take things way too seriously when drunk. Alcohol should be banned not MJ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charminions View Post
    That's already happening without marajuana.
    My thoughts exactly.

    Id prefer to have it not legalized, but theres a heavy inclination to do so, given our current economical standpoint.

    But most of the people who claim theyw ant it to be legalized for the economy usually dont care about the economy, they just want to smoke it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AzukanAsimbu View Post
    But most of the people who claim theyw ant it to be legalized for the economy usually dont care about the economy, they just want to smoke it.
    What a crime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jigglychu View Post
    I've heard it's less dangerous than alcohol, so I don't see why not. We already waste a lot of police resources of this reletively harmless drug.
    Agreed. It doesn't kill you just from using it unlike Tobacco and Alcohol. I say we make this legal and have the police focus on more important things.

    BTW, I don't want to smoke it. My respiratory system is fragile enough without it.

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    It should be legal. I live in the Netherlands and it's not like we all smoke it all day. Most people actually never smoked it and never will, I'm pretty sure at least 75% of all the customers are tourists.
    And I'm sure that everyone who wants to smoke weed, and lives somewhere where it is illegal, will get the stuff eventually, it would actually be safer if they'd legalize it.
    I don't smoke it, but I do think it should be legalized, it relaxes you and it has overall way more advantages than alcohol will ever have, besides that alcohol is also just more dangerous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snorunt conservationist View Post
    You must hate bar owners and shopkeepers.
    That's such a straw man.

    Potential substantial harms. Another important word you forgot to add.
    For the record HIV has a lower transmission rate during heterosexual sex than the chance of developing schizophrenia from smoking weed. There are obviously potential harms to everything we do, and even when they seem small in percentages that doesn't make them any less significant.

    Yes smoking marijuana is a choice and it always will be, but that doesn't make it a good choice. And as someone who sees a very different side of marijuana to what most young people think of it, from the psychiatric system, I really don't see how it can objectively be called a good choice. You only get one chance at life, but doesn't make it a good thing to just fuck around with it as much as you like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Panda View Post
    That's such a straw man.
    That's one way of ducking the point. However, it really isn't. You claim that drug dealers are the scum of the earth on the basis that they sell narcotic substances that can be harmful when abused to people who may very well abuse them (though of course many don't in any way whatsoever making your argument somewhat irrelevant. Anyway, moving on.) On that basis you should hate shopkeepers and bar-owners who do very much the same thing.

    I'll state it once more so you can try again. You must hate shopkeepers and bar-owners.

    For the record HIV has a lower transmission rate during heterosexual sex than the chance of developing schizophrenia from smoking weed.
    Irrelevant.

    There are obviously potential harms to everything we do, and even when they seem small in percentages that doesn't make them any less significant.
    Irrelevant.

    Yes smoking marijuana is a choice and it always will be, but that doesn't make it a good choice.
    It's been fine for me thanks.

    And as someone who sees a very different side of marijuana to what most young people think of it, from the psychiatric system, I really don't see how it can objectively be called a good choice.
    Because it's awesome?

    You only get one chance at life, but doesn't make it a good thing to just fuck around with it as much as you like.
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