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    Thumbs up He's Back {~>Subway RMT<~}

    Highest Streak: 462

    Welcome to another wild idea. The members of this team were inspired
    by Pikiwyn of Smogon (Shuckle) and Eon Master (Gastrodon). I've made
    some small changes to each, but the strategies are the same. The basic
    strategy of this team is to cripple them horrendously and set up with
    Ferrothorn. I put a lot of though into this team, and for the first time ever I
    can say I'm using some of my favorite Pokémon. I feel like this will be a fun
    team to use, so I hope you guys enjoy it as much as I do, rate away!

    Changes in bold.





    Shuckle @ Chesto Berry
    Bold/Impish Nature
    252 HP/252 Def/6 SpD
    *Sturdy*
    ~ Rest
    ~ Power Split
    ~ Gastro Acid
    ~ Struggle Bug

    Wow, Shuckle is so stupid good. Who knew it could do more than one
    thing? He starts out with Power Split to deplete attacking power and if it's
    a special attacker he can use Struggle Bug to cause even more problems.
    Gastro Acid lets me deal with things like the Regi's/Metagross with Clear
    Body or anything with Keen Eye. Rest is there to hopefully allow him to
    do two or more of these things. I went with max HP and Def simply because
    he has a way to lower SpA even further, while he can only rely on Power
    Split to deal with physical attackers.





    Gastrodon @ Rindo Berry?
    Calm/Careful Nature
    252 HP/196 Def/60 SpD
    *Sticky Hold*
    ~ Flash
    ~ Recover
    ~ Memento
    ~ Bulldoze

    My second stat killer. After getting crapped on by Shuckle, most things
    aren't going to be doing much damage, so Recover gives me a great
    chance to Flash them down to -6. I like the idea of Bulldoze, as it could
    allow Ferrothorn to set up a Sub before he takes some kind of status or
    gets critted for big damage. Substitute is thrown in there as an option for
    hax protection as I Flash, but I'm just not sure which would be optimal.
    I was thinking about using Storm Drain to switch in for free against water
    attacks aimed at Shuckle, but as Eon said, Sticky Hold keeps Trick users
    from destroying the strategy. The EV's are copy-pasta from X-Act for max
    defensive potential.





    Ferrothorn @ Leftovers
    Sassy Nature
    252 HP/252 SpD/6 Def
    *Iron Barbs*
    ~ Curse
    ~ Gyro Ball
    ~ Substitute
    ~ Power Whip

    The main event. He resists every weakness of both Suckle and Gastrodon
    and has an awesome STAB move in Gyro Ball. Curse not only raises my
    Atk stat, but powers up my main attacking move as well. Nothing is immune
    to Gyro Ball and Power Whip gives me more coverage and solves PP issues.

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    Great team shuckle I would suggest replacing shuckles lum berry for a chesto berry. That way no other status problem can take away your berry that is meant to awake you from rest.
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    For Gastrodon I would use careful nature and go with Bulldoze as its a good stab and you shouldn't need Substitute much due to flash and shuckle. If you need an item for it then Rindo Berry is an option considering leftovers is already taken. With Ferrothorn I'd go with Power Whip mainly for coverage. IMO put bold on Shuckle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soybtree View Post
    For Gastrodon I would use careful nature and go with Bulldoze as its a good stab and you shouldn't need Substitute much due to flash and shuckle. If you need an item for it then Rindo Berry is an option considering leftovers is already taken. With Ferrothorn I'd go with Power Whip mainly for coverage. IMO put bold on Shuckle.
    I prefer to use Leech Seed on my Ferrothorn, even if it means removing Power Whip. I don't think that's needed, as even if the opponent is resistant to Steel-type moves, Gyro Ball does insane damage after a few Curses and a 0 IV Speed stat. Really, after three or four Curses, Ferrothorn just sweeps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigman82 View Post
    Great team shuckle I would suggest replacing shuckles lum berry for a chesto berry. That way no other status problem can take away your berry that is meant to awake you from rest.
    Yea, that makes sense, especially since Rest takes care of
    any other status that may pop up.

    Quote Originally Posted by soybtree View Post
    For Gastrodon I would use careful nature and go with Bulldoze as its a good stab and you shouldn't need Substitute much due to flash and shuckle. If you need an item for it then Rindo Berry is an option considering leftovers is already taken. With Ferrothorn I'd go with Power Whip mainly for coverage. IMO put bold on Shuckle.
    While Gastrodon's main purpose isn't to attack, I agree with
    you about Bulldoze. Mainly because it may allow Ferrothorn
    to get up a Sub before anything attacks.

    Rindo Berry seemed like a good idea, but I really don't think
    he's going to be surviving any grass attacks to begin with. I'll
    test it out though since I have no other option there atm.

    Shuckle's nature really doesn't matter tbqh. His attacks aren't
    meant to do damage, so as long as it doesn't lower either
    defensive stat it's fine with me.

    Quote Originally Posted by SpeedSuicune View Post
    I prefer to use Leech Seed on my Ferrothorn, even if it means removing Power Whip. I don't think that's needed, as even if the opponent is resistant to Steel-type moves, Gyro Ball does insane damage after a few Curses and a 0 IV Speed stat. Really, after three or four Curses, Ferrothorn just sweeps.
    That's what I was thinking as well, but wouldn't Ingrain be a
    better choice? It keeps him from getting Roared/Whirlwinded/
    Dragon Tailed out while setting up, and he doesn't have to
    worry about not seeding grass types. I may not be doing
    that extra damage with Leech Seed, but I also don't have to
    waste that extra turn seeding the opponent.

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    thing about ingrain though if you can't switch the poke out either, so if you run into a fire type, your doomed. I prefer Power Whip over Leech Seed just because how strong it is. But Ferrothorns were made to annoy others, so any attack that annoys your opponent is a good option

    it's fun toxic stalling with Shuckle though, but that's a good moveset for it. Memento is such a horrible attack though imo, the stats only go down by -2 for attack and sp attack and your pokemon faints, to me it's not worth it. A simple beam/growl/struggle bug does just as good of a job, and gastro could last three turns vs most pokemon (it can't learn those moves, but I was giving you an example) I say just get rid of Memento then go Flash,Recover,Sub and Bulldoze.

    And also if you want to lower accuracy, using a brightpowder isn't a bad idea. Less flashes that way.

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    Memento is amazing. The best stat decreasing move there is. Don't you see, after decreasing the opponent's stats, Gastrodon was meant to die, so there is a free switch in to Ferro. And dying with -2 offensive stats on the opponent is even better. Flashes are better since you can get down to -6.

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    but it's just for one pokemon, I rather just use explosion and clear the pokemon out then lower stats that can easily be erased by a sword dance/nasty plot (gastro can't learn that either )

    whenever I see memento, I just laugh and switch the pokemon (I know these are NPC's and they don't do it often, but as I said, their are other ways around the attack). It's more then capable of being a good pokemon without the attack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shuckle View Post
    Shuckle's nature really doesn't matter tbqh. His attacks aren't
    meant to do damage, so as long as it doesn't lower either
    defensive stat it's fine with me.
    go with bold then just for confusion damage

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    Quote Originally Posted by unstopable373 View Post
    thing about ingrain though if you can't switch the poke out either, so if you run into a fire type, your doomed. I prefer Power Whip over Leech Seed just because how strong it is. But Ferrothorns were made to annoy others, so any attack that annoys your opponent is a good option

    it's fun toxic stalling with Shuckle though, but that's a good moveset for it. Memento is such a horrible attack though imo, the stats only go down by -2 for attack and sp attack and your pokemon faints, to me it's not worth it. A simple beam/growl/struggle bug does just as good of a job, and gastro could last three turns vs most pokemon (it can't learn those moves, but I was giving you an example) I say just get rid of Memento then go Flash,Recover,Sub and Bulldoze.

    And also if you want to lower accuracy, using a brightpowder isn't a bad idea. Less flashes that way.
    You're absolutely right about Ingrain, that could cause some
    problems. I'll remove it from the options.

    I don't think you're getting the point of Memento on Gastrodon.
    His job is to make sure that Ferrothorn is taking the least
    amount of damage possible while setting up.. After getting a
    Power Split from Shuckle, and maybe a Struggle Bug or two,
    Memento will make the opponent totally useless. He's also
    gonna be Flashing to -6 as often as he can, the object is to
    keep Ferro from being hit, not himself, so Brightpowder is a
    waste of an item. As I've said before, Bulldoze isn't there to
    do damage, it's being used to drop speed.

    Quote Originally Posted by gyaradosuseddragonrage! View Post
    Memento is amazing. The best stat decreasing move there is. Don't you see, after decreasing the opponent's stats, Gastrodon was meant to die, so there is a free switch in to Ferro. And dying with -2 offensive stats on the opponent is even better. Flashes are better since you can get down to -6.
    ^This.

    Quote Originally Posted by unstopable373 View Post
    but it's just for one pokemon, I rather just use explosion and clear the pokemon out then lower stats that can easily be erased by a sword dance/nasty plot (gastro can't learn that either )

    whenever I see memento, I just laugh and switch the pokemon (I know these are NPC's and they don't do it often, but as I said, their are other ways around the attack). It's more then capable of being a good pokemon without the attack.
    It's true that Memento is just for one Pokémon, but that's all
    I need. The AI won't switch out of stat drops, and if they start
    boosting, they're boosting from an average of Shuckle's stats,
    making it less threatening. Exploding would just be a waste
    anyway, why go through all that stat killing if you're just going
    to KO something before completing the objective (setting up
    Ferro)?

    Yea, everyone laughs at Memento, but Memento laughs at the AI.
    The AI won't switch unless it has no way to hit the pokémon, or
    is Tricked on a move it doesn't like. IMHO, Gastrodon is
    serving it's purpose exceptionally, making it a good pokémon.

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    On average, using Power Split is on average how many attack stat drops? I'm not doubting it or anything, but it would be nice to know how helpful it is.

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    Cool i love thought threw teams that consist of the trainers favorites not other peoples, you gonna add any more pokes? im curious to see what else you like

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    Quote Originally Posted by gyaradosuseddragonrage! View Post
    On average, using Power Split is on average how many attack stat drops? I'm not doubting it or anything, but it would be nice to know how helpful it is.
    Well, it adds Shuckle's and the opponents Atk and SpA stats,
    and distributes them evenly. Shuckle has Atk/SpA stats around
    20 at Lv.50, so it cuts their stats significantly. Shuckle can also
    switch out, back in and do it again to cut them even further.
    This also means that crits do far less damage, so it's kind of
    an all around awesome move.


    Quote Originally Posted by KingBravest View Post
    Cool i love thought threw teams that consist of the trainers favorites not other peoples, you gonna add any more pokes? im curious to see what else you like
    It's a Battle Subway team, so you only have 3 PKMN, but thanks.

    Edit: Wow, this team takes SO LONG to set up...

    It's working quite well atm, I've gotten up to 70 so far, but it's
    so fu*king time consuming I have to take a break... I'll keep
    updating things here though and probably bump when I lose.

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    Well guys, it's finally come to an end. After almost 5 months of grinding
    I made it to 462 wins.

    Here's a list of some videos:

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    Battle 329: 23-05957-67861 YouTube Video
    Battle 463: 26-39851-15353



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    How I lost:

    Lilligant came out and Petal Danced. Shuckle Power Splits and KO's in
    4 turns with Struggle Bug. This may have been my demise, as I could
    have easily set up on her. >.> Nidoking comes out, Hones Claws and
    I Power Split. He HC's again as I switch to Gastrodon. He Megahorn's
    for more than half my HP and I Flash. He HC's again, I Flash again, and
    he KO's with Megahorn. Shuckle comes in and gets a Rock Slide, I Power
    Split, then switch to Ferrothorn as he Hones Claws. He Megahorn's, it
    crits leaving me with 42 HP. I try to sub and can't, so I switch back to
    Shuckle and Power Split again after taking a Megahorn. Ferro comes
    back in and takes a Rock Slide, Megahorn crits for a KO. Shuckle gets a
    Rock Slide crit and goes down.

    I lost mainly due to sloppiness. There was no reason to KO Lilligant, I
    should have let Ferrothorn set up on her, but I was in too much of a
    hurry. The crit hax didn't help, but it could have been avoided. My bad.

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    Wow, I love this Shuckle build!

    I haven't tried a debuffing team like that before, but I might give it a go now, that Shuckle has inspired me. :P

    Epic streak btw, nicely done.
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    Congratulations on the excellent streak. Who knew there was an alternative?

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    Wow! Nice streak! I think you should slot toxic in here somewhere to stall even more. Mabye replace gastro acid with it.




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    Nice Streak.
    honestly, looking at this team, I would've expected you to lose much sooner, and to something like this:
    A Flying/Levitating (you have gastro acid) Pokemon KOs shuckle. Sure, gastrodon can flash it to -6, and use memento.
    Ferro sets up, possibly is weakened.
    (now that part would just make the battle hard, wouldn't actually make you lose though)
    Here is the part that would Kill you right away.
    A SPECIAL FIRE TYPE flamethrowers ferro. destroying sub if you had it. you kill it.
    ANOTHER SPECIAL FIRE TYPE makes you lose.

    I really think that you were VERY lucky to get to 462 (and very determined, the battles from this team are likely to take forever, as there are at least 9 turns before you start attacking), and am very surprised that you weren't faced with 2 fire types.

    Some one also made a team like this (the same "cripple the opponent" idea) but with multiscale dragonite, which i think should work much better, as it boosts its speed.
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    I would put Rindo berry on Gastrodon, either Rindo Berry or Leftovers

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    Why not put Rocky Helmet on Gastrodon?
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    It seems like SunnyBeamers caused this team trouble, seeing the types.


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    It seems that these stat-killing stall teams are always the ones that get the farthest in the subway...
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    Guys really check the date of the thread :\



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    And now I have to close it.

    Don't necro my threads.

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