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Thread: Do you like/dislike Smogon's tiering process?

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    At first I thought this was one of "those" threads, but then I saw the OP and the opinion was completely the opposite. I agree that Smogon's tiers are clearly the best and the standard. However, I also agree with user 3.14kachu. All the haters are gonna stay away if there's nobody actually hating on Smogon. I mean, why would you go on a ship if you knew it was sinking? Then again, I could be wrong and this could end up being the next controversial Competitive Discussion thread.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bestgamepearl View Post
    For the most part, their tiers are pretty spot on, and including useage stats. Seriously, if something wasnt good, why would people use it? Granted, some things may NOT be OU yet and havent been examined, but do realize that b/w only came out like a few months ago, this isnt going to be a perfect metagame right off the bat, you can't expect as good of a metagame as 4th gen OU was when 5th gen came to be. Also, i can guarantee you they dont go for what's cute and what's cool looking lol, if they went for cool looking Golurk and such would be OU lolz. Matter of fact, there are hardly any "cute" pokemon in OU xD
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    Not complaining or hating but can someone tell me why Victini's UU and still hasn't made it to BL?



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    Quote Originally Posted by emboarrocks View Post
    Not complaining or hating but can someone tell me why Victini's UU and still hasn't made it to BL?
    Victini is in UU mostly because it's weak to Stealth Rocks, bad typing, the only thing why everyone uses it is because of V-Create, it can't learn any good boosting moves such as Nasty Plot or Sword Dance...
    But Victini with Choice Band spamming V-Create is awesome.

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    Hey, emboarrocks, weren't you complaining a ton about Smogon in one of the POTW threads a while ago? Would you mind voicing your thoughts on why you were doing so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by epic_eevee View Post
    Hey, emboarrocks, weren't you complaining a ton about Smogon in one of the POTW threads a while ago? Would you mind voicing your thoughts on why you were doing so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LetsGoJeto View Post
    Pretty much the same way. His defense isn't too great so with one dragon dance+ extreme speed, it can nearly KO him. But like I said, with dual screens, vaporeon can finish him off despite a SD'd hi jump kick. Without my screens, I wouldn't stand a chance in the OU tier.
    Screens aren't a counter to Blaziken. There isn't a counter to Blaziken, so it is Uber.
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    If smogon was "ban-happy" Latios, Thundurus, and even ferrothorn would have been banned by now
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aztec_Blaziken View Post
    If smogon was "ban-happy" Latios, Thundurus, and even ferrothorn would have been banned by now
    Well Thundurus was already close to being banned. But both of the other Pokemon you named are easily countered. Latios's STAB's are resisted by Bronzong, and Ferrothorn is taken out easy by any fighting or fire type.
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    What annoys me about smogan is that they banned drizzle & swift swim. If Pokemon can learn the moves legally then it should be allowed. (Also the RU tier is stupid cos it's basically the same as the NU tier).

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    Quote Originally Posted by GOLDENCRS View Post
    Screens aren't a counter to Blaziken. There isn't a counter to Blaziken, so it is Uber.
    Oh, it can be. I've gotten past SB blaze countless times. All you need is a little strategy. I'm pretty used to all the tricks and movesets of the OU tier so it's no wonder why I defeated you with my horrible team lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LetsGoJeto View Post
    Oh, it can be. I've gotten past SB blaze countless times. All you need is a little strategy. I'm pretty used to all the tricks and movesets of the OU tier so it's no wonder why I defeated you with my horrible team lol.
    So have I. The argument wasn't that it had no counters, it was how easily it could get past those FEW counters. Its like saying Kyogre in't uber because its common sets are hard countered by Gastrodon.

    You can't even slap a scarf on something and say "well if it sets up I can always revenge kill it".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Harvest View Post
    So have I. The argument wasn't that it had no counters, it was how easily it could get past those FEW counters. Its like saying Kyogre in't uber because its common sets are hard countered by Gastrodon.

    You can't even slap a scarf on something and say "well if it sets up I can always revenge kill it".
    Perhaps if people incorporated different Pokemon into their majority OU team, they could get pass it easier. Smogon has great guides and strategy tips, but they don't possess every possible one.

    And IF you're constantly battling the same pokemon, you can predict what your opponents 'mon are going to do, therefore give leeway for all sorts of situations. Chances are, you'd been in that situation before. Skill is an important factor besides how well rounded a team is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alishenai View Post
    What annoys me about smogan is that they banned drizzle & swift swim. If Pokemon can learn the moves legally then it should be allowed. (Also the RU tier is stupid cos it's basically the same as the NU tier).
    Take a copy of BW and play some random matchups until you've faced a few rain teams with Drizzletoed/Kingdra/Ludicolo. You're basically forced to change the weather to win. From my individual experience (dangerous territory) with SS Ludicolo in ubers, SSers can do fine enough in ubers. Plus you can try to put some on your team to make your opponent pay for running rain.

    Smogon/PO are trying to add another tier into the Uber/OU/UU/NU system. 155 new pokemon means that the gaps between the top and bottom of tiers are quite wide. Today's UU has a lot of former OU pokes, thanks to all of the now pokemon/gadgets. My understanding is that eventually there will be another NU tier, but the upper tiers need to settle first. Face it, the big three tiers are more important to more people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LetsGoJeto View Post
    Perhaps if people incorporated different Pokemon into their majority OU team, they could get pass it easier. Smogon has great guides and strategy tips, but they don't possess every possible one.

    And IF you're constantly battling the same pokemon, you can predict what your opponents 'mon are going to do, therefore give leeway for all sorts of situations. Chances are, you'd been in that situation before. Skill is an important factor besides how well rounded a team is.
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    Name one thing that can safely switch in on this in the sunlight with Stealth Rocks down. Just. One. Thing.. well besides Slowbro (who still takes 70.1% - 82.7% from +2 Shadow Claw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Harvest View Post
    Adamant @ Life Orb
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    Hi Jump Kick
    Shadow Claw



    Name one thing that can safely switch in on this in the sunlight with Stealth Rocks down. Just. One. Thing.. well besides Slowbro.
    Slowking. lol


    Actually, Dragonite could probably pull it off without stealth rocks. With stealth Rocks, maybe Golurk?



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    Slowking is OHKOed after Stealth Rocks.

    So is Dragonite by +2 sun Flare Blitz even if it runs max/max defense Bold. Even with its armor intact its taking 85.1% - 100.3% from +2 Flare Blitz.

    **It wasn't unbeatable, it was just far too easy to overpower its counters.

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    Palkia seems to be the only one to pull it off. And he's an uber. I tried, and failed. Well, at least this proves why it's an uber.

    But if you get rid of stealth rocks with rapid spin, or defog, then I can see hope.



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    Guaranteed OHKO by +0 Hi Jump Kick after Stealth Rocks. Palkia does nothing to slow Blaziken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Harvest View Post
    Guaranteed OHKO by +0 Hi Jump Kick after Stealth Rocks. Palkia does nothing to slow Blaziken.
    Are you kidding me? The only think I see working now is some huge bulk def Ghost/Rock type pokemon. THAT DOESN'T EXIST.

    I think I know my least favorite pokemon now. Actually, the only fail proof set I see is a reuniclus/alakazam with magic guard, and a focus sash. And that's if you DON'T switch in. That, or hope Hi Jump Kick misses.



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    It would need Slowbro level defenses to survive a +2 Sun Flare Blitz or Shadow Claw, and it would need high attack and Earthquake or something to actually KO Blaziken back. Slowbro has better typing, I would still use rather use that lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Harvest View Post
    Adamant @ Life Orb
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    Shadow Claw



    Name one thing that can safely switch in on this in the sunlight with Stealth Rocks down. Just. One. Thing.. well besides Slowbro (who still takes 70.1% - 82.7% from +2 Shadow Claw.
    I just rely on my dragonite or vaporeon.

    Like I said, I usually have dual screens up (and SR) so he's pretty much done with two extreme speeds or surf. If there's sun, vaporeon runs rain dance (which is completely random but shuts a lot of weather teams down.)
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    Snorlax evo with thick fat... I like it. Nice. Bronzong with heatproof? Wouldnt KO, but maybe it could take a hit? Fighting, and Ghost, and can't do squat damage. Dusknoir with Kasib berry? Doesn't solve fire. Rayquaza with air lock? I like it, but stealth rock would make a flare blitz kill it, probably.



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    By that logic I can handle Kyogre with Screens and Extremespeed. Doesn't mean its not uber.

    You also don't have screens up all the time. Worse, if the only way to SLOW BLAZIKEN DOWN are dual screens do you really think its fair to tell every player "run dual screens and Dragonite or Slowbro otherwise Blaziken 6-0s you"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Harvest View Post
    By that logic I can handle Kyogre with Screens and Extremespeed. Doesn't mean its not uber.
    Thing is, I never said he wasn't an uber. I just can't understand why people cannot figure out how to counter him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Harvest View Post
    Guaranteed OHKO by +0 Hi Jump Kick after Stealth Rocks. Palkia does nothing to slow Blaziken.
    Giratina. Plain and simple counter, resists/immune to both STAB's and Shadow Claw does only 29.9% - 35.4% from Max Attack Blaziken with Adamant to Altered Bold Max Defense. Only counter to Blaziken really.
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