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    Even though the awesomeness that has been granted to them this gen, they're still NU. Why? Discuss!
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    Because they have a pretty limited niche role. They wall specific things but don't really do anything back besides spread status and be Ferrothorn's *****. On the right team they're incredible but you can't just throw them on the rooster like you could Latios or Tyranitar.

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    I agree, they do have limited roles, but imo they still deserve to be OU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja Dewott View Post
    I agree, they do have limited roles, but imo they still deserve to be OU.
    OU is usage based, so no they won't be OU lol. Not unless usage SPIKES significantly (though Gastrodon usage is definitely rising)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Harvest View Post
    OU is usage based, so no they won't be OU lol. Not unless usage SPIKES significantly (though Gastrodon usage is definitely rising)
    Ferrothorn can lay that down for you.

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    Anyway, I have to agree with BH here. Just because they have a niche does not mean that it is OU. By that logic we should make Farfetch'd OU because it has a niche as being the only effective user of Stick.

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    I like Gastrodon, in fact he's one of my favourite pokemon to use competetively. He walls amazingly and has a great ability, good typing too, unless your opponent is secretly packing Grass Knot. Overall, I'm surprised he's not OU


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    they should be in UU. Quagsire can stall very well and grastodon is awesome on sand teams(i've used one).



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    Agreed. They should be UU. Only problem is that Milotic outclasses both as a UU bulky Water.


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    They'll be OU if people use them more. I highly doubt that will happen.
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    Gastrodon is a great wall in OU. I stalled out a ferrothorn with stockpile/Recover and burn damage. he is a beast!




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    Quote Originally Posted by Pichu47 View Post
    Gastrodon is a great wall in OU. I stalled out a ferrothorn with stockpile/Recover and burn damage. he is a beast!
    If you failed to get a Scald Burn and did not yet get Stockpile boosts, then Ferrothorn could have easily 1/2HKOd.

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    I've been using both of them in various teams, but to me Gastrodon stands out because it's strong enough to not have to run Toxic on it's set like Quagsire.
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    Gastrodon and Quagsire both seem to be very situational Pokemon. They're only usable to wall a certain number of Pokemon, and as Blue Harvest said, all they can really do is inflict status effects. As for their tier, it is all about usage, so if they're both not used much, then they will be NU.

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    I believe they have potential to be UU, but not OU quite yet.
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    Why's everyone saying they should be OU? There's about a 2% chance of either of them getting there, the most they can hope for is UU.

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    I use Gastrodon in OU. It protects well as a special wall. Storm Drain is an awesome ability.
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    I'm fine with them in staying in UU. That means I can use them there XD

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    If the tiers weren't based off usage gastro would totally be in OU
    all of you saying its not ou material are retarded, its the best in OU, its better in OU then UU -_-

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    Gastro is pretty much doomed to be RU for a while, unless it's OU usage really picks up. Like BH said, it has a great niche in OU, but it's somewhat limited. It checks bulky waters and Thundurus, and it makes a good answer to Rain teams, but it's not like it's the only Pokemon that can do that. That said, it won't make UU either. Gastro is actually pretty bad in UU with all the Grass types running around like crazy. The same applies to Quagsire.

    Not to say that either are bad. Both are great Pokemon, but unless they have plenty more usage, they will both be RU for a while.

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    There's a reason they're both NU, you know. Ferrothorn is very common (for good reason) and Ferrothorns tend to carry Power Whip, which means a OHKO on both Gastrodon and Quagsire. If their threats are out of the way, I'm sure they can do very well. However, I'm pretty sure there are pokemon that do their jobs better. I'm not sure about Quagsire, but Storm Drain Gastrodon is probably outclassed by Jellicent, which has superior defensive stats and doubles as a spinblocker.

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    Gelatino's summed it up nicely there. Both are excellent pokemon, but others such as Jellicent do their job better. I still use Gastrodon sometimes, as I'm not that good with Jellicent, and Quagsire just annoys me, even if it is on my own team.
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    Lol, Jellicent doesn't do Gastro's or Quag's jobs well at all. Gastro soaks up hits from many Rain abusers easily on account of it being immune to both Water and Electric type moves. Gastro walls Rotom-W completely, provided it isn't carrying HP Grass. Jellicent dies to all those Electric attacks. Also, Quagsire is used to check set up sweepers with Unaware. Thundurus can't even 2HKO specially defensive Quag with Focus Blast since it's boosts are negated. Many set up sweepers just barrel through Jellicent, and of course it doesn't stand up to Thundurus at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jesusfreak94 View Post
    Lol, Jellicent doesn't do Gastro's or Quag's jobs well at all. Gastro soaks up hits from many Rain abusers easily on account of it being immune to both Water and Electric type moves. Gastro walls Rotom-W completely, provided it isn't carrying HP Grass. Jellicent dies to all those Electric attacks. Also, Quagsire is used to check set up sweepers with Unaware. Thundurus can't even 2HKO specially defensive Quag with Focus Blast since it's boosts are negated. Many set up sweepers just barrel through Jellicent, and of course it doesn't stand up to Thundurus at all.
    True. Quagsire's Unaware (a great ability) does set it apart from the others in a way, but Jellicent's ability to recover from switching into water attacks, cripple phsyical attackers with will-o-wisp and spinblock, makes it more useful in my eyes.
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    They're both used quite a bit in OU. Lol. Kinda strange that they're NU.
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