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    Hey guys, Man Utd fan here. Happy?
    Anyway I'm glad that we beat Ajax, not an easy game going to Amsterdam even though Ajax had a weakened team out. I thought the first half was pathetic from us, we barely tested their keeper at all. I was pleased with the second half though, and overall I think we deserved the win. Night would have been perfect in City would have lost/drew though :/

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    Were against Brighton this sunday. Hopefully we can win the FA and Carling cup ^.^
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    ^unfortunately I do think Liverpool should do well against Brighton and Cardiff. IMO they sadly will win the cc but the fa cup should be a step too far. The FA Cup should be interesting though because with us and city out of it it will interesting to see who will win it. My vote sadly goes to Chelsea

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    UNFORTUNATELY. What do you mean Unfortunately! :0
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    He said he's a United fan. Which is understandable because they're the best team in the Premier League

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    Happy we beat Ajax. 2-0 away is a great result which should see us through to the next round easily. Would rather get Bilbao than Lokomotiv Moscow, so I hope Bilbao can pull off a win at home next week.

    Didn't really understand the way ajax set out last night. Bulykin, their striker, is big and strong yet he hardly got the ball. Ajax never looked to try and cross the ball in towards him. Almost every chance they got, they shot from 30 yards out and De Gea was claiming them easily. Don't know if they play like that all the time but I do know they are not doing as well as expected in the Eredivisie so it is a possibility.

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    Another United fan
    Anyway, I disagree - I would rather get LM than Bilbao. Even though it's further away surely we are almost certain to win that while Bilbao may prove a slightly bigger challenge.

    Anyway, anyone watching Sunderland v Arsenal?

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    I am. Sunderland are looking fantastic so far

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    Unbelievable! 2-0 Sunderland. Feel kinda sorry for the Ox but I'll take it! Looks like no trophies for Arsenal again then...

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    That's hardly surprising though, is it

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    Do ya think Arsne will get sacked?
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    Not sure. But his week has been really bad.


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    Just came back from Millwall vs. Bolton, the Millwall fans are a rather loud bunch...

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    It pains me to see Arsenal like this. I used to love watching them a few years back, Champions League semis and all. They're not fun to watch anymore.

    And how bad was Arteta today?

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    Football? You mean Herdball? [/glenn beck reference]
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    To be honest I don't think Arsene Wenger will get sacked. The board must love him, he spends no money at all. Though he clearly needs to go - you can't be a serious contender for 4th/3rd spot and lose some of the games they have. Sure, today at Sunderland was a slip-up and it is by no means an easy game but some they have lost or drew (Swansea, Fulham, Bolton, Sunderland, Blackburn, AC Milan etc.) are just not good enough. Take away Milan and you have a lot of games you need to do well in. Fair enough dropping point occasionally, nobody can help that but it just isn't good enough to be honest.

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    I think it's interesting how many people blame Arsene Wenger in all of this, maybe cause I try to look on the big picture and gather as much information as possible. While I won't defend Wenger on all fronts, I think there are a lot of things most people seem to miss.

    My theory is that the board in Arsenal doesn't want to spend a lot of money. They have said themselves that they want Arsenal to be a club that can reach success through young players without spending big cash on transfers, and the latest statement about this wasn't more then a few months ago. The big question that many people seem to ask is: "Why is Wenger still in Arsenal when he hasn't had any success the last years?" Interesting question, but the answer is not far fetched as people seem to think. Looking at what kind of money Wenger has gotten from the board, he has performed miracles. Under Wenger, Arsenal haven't missed Champions League a single season, and that is fantastic considering how little money they have spent, and if you compare that to clubs like Chelsea and Man City spending lots. The reason Wenger is still in Arsenal, is because the board knows that nobody could do a better job under these circumstances. If they would fire Wenger and take in a coach like Mourinho, he would say: "I need cash for player X and Y", and they would gently reply: "That's not how we do things around here".

    Moving on, it's also a known fact that Arsenal were very close to signing Mata during the summer. "If Arsenal had the money, then what was the problem?" Again, when Arsene Wenger says that Arsenal has money to spend on transfers, I think he's putting it mildly. I think the truth is very different, and that even if the money exists, there is no way that the board would allow him to use it. The reason why Mata ended up in Chelsea was simple. Arsenal needed the cash from Fabregas in order to finance the move for Mata, but seeing as Barcelona were lazy and slow as always, Arsenal couldn't manage to complete the move in time, and Mata ended up in Chelsea. Wenger also said that he wanted to bring on a striker like Benzema, but again that is a player that would have costed quite a lot. Wenger is a reasonable trainer. He hasn't hesitated in offering the cash for the right players before, why would he do it now? Sure he has always had the whole "buy cheap & smart"-philosophy, but he has still put up cash for good players.

    As some other people might know, David Dein (ex. Vice-Chairman) was a big key-figure within the club, and it's not strange that the club has been doing worse since his departure in '07. He had the ability to attract great players to the club, and he was certainly more of a "lets do this"-person, then the "whatever is fine"-people that runs the club now.

    To sum things up: Wenger is easy to blame because he is the coach. I do think he has his issues, but that is more problems like how he handles the team during games. But people who say "lets fire him and get a manager who will buy players", they don't really seem to be seeing the REAL problem. Wenger is a smart coach and he has great experience, the Invincible-season is a big proof of that. Why wouldn't a trainer do anything if his team is sinking? The most reasonable explanation would be that his hands are tied.

    /Just my five cents

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    ^Wow. That is interesting. Kudos for writing all that

    The idea that to board do not give Wenger the money he needs is an interesting one, and if you ask me that theory could be correct.
    We all know Everton are slightly behind others when it comes to money. Mikel Arteta was on I believe a mediocre Ł80k a week (Not saying I would mind that ) and he had to take a pay cut to come to Arsenal. I know Ł10M is a relatively large amount of money to spend but in terms of wage you can't expect a quality player like Arteta to settle for much less than his previous wage. This suggests that Wenger wasn't given too much money. I guess it is something we won't know surely until he is gone.
    Being a Man Utd fan though please don't think this is right, it's just my opinion.
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    Props to Stevenage on the draw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zantera View Post
    I think it's interesting how many people blame Arsene Wenger in all of this, maybe cause I try to look on the big picture and gather as much information as possible. While I won't defend Wenger on all fronts, I think there are a lot of things most people seem to miss.

    My theory is that the board in Arsenal doesn't want to spend a lot of money. They have said themselves that they want Arsenal to be a club that can reach success through young players without spending big cash on transfers, and the latest statement about this wasn't more then a few months ago. The big question that many people seem to ask is: "Why is Wenger still in Arsenal when he hasn't had any success the last years?" Interesting question, but the answer is not far fetched as people seem to think. Looking at what kind of money Wenger has gotten from the board, he has performed miracles. Under Wenger, Arsenal haven't missed Champions League a single season, and that is fantastic considering how little money they have spent, and if you compare that to clubs like Chelsea and Man City spending lots. The reason Wenger is still in Arsenal, is because the board knows that nobody could do a better job under these circumstances. If they would fire Wenger and take in a coach like Mourinho, he would say: "I need cash for player X and Y", and they would gently reply: "That's not how we do things around here".

    Moving on, it's also a known fact that Arsenal were very close to signing Mata during the summer. "If Arsenal had the money, then what was the problem?" Again, when Arsene Wenger says that Arsenal has money to spend on transfers, I think he's putting it mildly. I think the truth is very different, and that even if the money exists, there is no way that the board would allow him to use it. The reason why Mata ended up in Chelsea was simple. Arsenal needed the cash from Fabregas in order to finance the move for Mata, but seeing as Barcelona were lazy and slow as always, Arsenal couldn't manage to complete the move in time, and Mata ended up in Chelsea. Wenger also said that he wanted to bring on a striker like Benzema, but again that is a player that would have costed quite a lot. Wenger is a reasonable trainer. He hasn't hesitated in offering the cash for the right players before, why would he do it now? Sure he has always had the whole "buy cheap & smart"-philosophy, but he has still put up cash for good players.

    As some other people might know, David Dein (ex. Vice-Chairman) was a big key-figure within the club, and it's not strange that the club has been doing worse since his departure in '07. He had the ability to attract great players to the club, and he was certainly more of a "lets do this"-person, then the "whatever is fine"-people that runs the club now.

    To sum things up: Wenger is easy to blame because he is the coach. I do think he has his issues, but that is more problems like how he handles the team during games. But people who say "lets fire him and get a manager who will buy players", they don't really seem to be seeing the REAL problem. Wenger is a smart coach and he has great experience, the Invincible-season is a big proof of that. Why wouldn't a trainer do anything if his team is sinking? The most reasonable explanation would be that his hands are tied.

    /Just my five cents
    Good post. I think you might be onto something here as the current advent of Arsene Wenger remaining at the club has shocked many. Obviously sacking a manager and bringing in a new one would be costly and may just be the reason it has been avoided for so long.
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    Props to Stevenage for the match, watched it on ITV. It'll be tough for Stevenage to go and win at White Hart Lane.

    Anyways, I am happy that Stoke advanced to the quarter finals, but I'm dreading a potential tie with Liverpool...let's hope we can pull it off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AquaRegisteel View Post
    Props to Stevenage for the match, watched it on ITV. It'll be tough for Stevenage to go and win at White Hart Lane.
    I watched that match and I want my Sunday afternoon back!

    And I can't leave a match on in the background anymore because I ALWAYS miss the goals, sending offs and other important stuff. It's normal talking one second and then Clive Tyldesley screaming goal the next. Whenever I go downstairs for a drink or the toilet, I come back 10 seconds later and they've scored. I swear I'm cursed for this stuff like this.

    They don't show replays that much either *Especially on Sky Sports!!!; I remember a team scoring in the first 10 mins or so and they didn't show a replay of it throughout the entire match (and i can't be bothered watching half time crap)*.

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    As an Arsenal fan it sucks to once again go a season trophyless. There always seems to be a week where everything just comes crashing down, happened in the previous few seasons as well, I guess they just can't deal with pressure. But this year is worse - there might not be a Saint Totteringham's Day! =(

    I'd never ask for Wenger out, but more and more I wonder how soon it is before he's gone. It will be a sad day when that happens, I've only known our manager to be Wenger so it's like we'd be losing part of our identity. And I think the problem goes deeper than just the manager, that much is obvious.

    Having said that, we are fourth at the moment, are we not? So if we manage to keep it, then we can try this all again next season! It's all part of the fun of being a Gooner!

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    I fear that the biggest loser out of all this is the Premier League.

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    Guess we can't do well every season. Considering the high calibre of the English teams in Europe it's stupid how poor we've done. Only Stoke and Birmingham can really claim to have tried their best, having said that, there is still every chance of a Manchester club winning the Europa League, I'd have to say Manchester United are the favourites. I think Liverpool were the last English club to win it, and that was over a decade ago.

    It of course could also just mean the playing field is being leveled out. Well, except for Barcelona and Real Madrid, who just seem streets above everyone else.

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