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    Default Steel Gym team final retirement

    I recently quit being a gym leader so I figured.. why not post this team. For the majority of my time as gym leader it maintained a 41-4 win/loss ration. Even after a losing streak near the end I still had a 91% win ratio which was the highest of any OSL gym leader. I had a lot of challengers say they liked my team, calling it original for some reason where in reality its just generic rain stall. This is 3:3 steel monotype.

    *Since I am no longer a gym leader this does not have to be monotype anymore.

    Enjoy my crappy pictures.



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    Harbringer (Politoed) (F) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Drizzle
    EVs: 252 HP / 232 SDef / 24 Spd
    Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
    - Scald
    - Perish Song
    - Protect
    - Toxic

    Politoed is great on rain stall because it creates.. rain. Its pretty useless otherwise. Good stop to Baton Pass chains and its a good switch in to Heatran usually. Politoed takes out crap like Snorlax and Reuniclus should the rest of my team be incapable of it. Surprisingly bulky, I've had this survive Thundurus Thunderbolts before. Speed EVs outrun Skarmory and Jellicent which has been important before. I'm thinking of dropping the speed a little and running Defensive EVs so I can counter Tyranitar and be slower, causing Rain.


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    Legacy (Tentacruel) (F) @ Black Sludge
    Trait: Rain Dish
    EVs: 252 HP / 208 Def / 4 SDef / 44 Spd
    Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
    - Scald
    - Protect
    - Toxic Spikes
    - Rapid Spin

    My favorite Pokemon and a vital part of rain stall. Counters MOST fighting types and Infernape. Toxic Spikes are amazing as Roserade and Tentacruel are both less common, and many Rapid Spinners do badly against Tentacruel. Sadly this is my best answer to Ferrothorn though it does ok if I can burn it. EVs outrun Tyranitar and Gliscor.


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    Corsair (Gliscor) (F) @ Toxic Orb
    Trait: Poison Heal
    EVs: 252 HP / 180 Def / 76 Spd
    Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
    - Substitute
    - Protect
    - Earthquake
    - Toxic / Facade / Taunt

    One of my favorite sets of all time. With Toxic Spikes down this can often solo teams on its own. Speed outruns Jolly Tyranitar ad the rest went into defense to take hits. Toxic is used to remove Rotom W, Conkledurr and Gastrodon permanently since they're so annoying but I'm considering bringing back Facade or even using Taunt.


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    Goliath (Bronzong) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Levitate
    EVs: 252 HP / 168 Def / 88 SDef
    Relaxed Nature (+Def, -Spd)
    - Earthquake
    - Hidden Power [Ice]
    - Stealth Rock
    - Toxic

    Good defense against sand, and in the rain a great Dragon counter. Lays Stealth Rocks and beats Gliscor in pretty much every form. Toxic is filler but often catches Jellicent and Rotom switching in which is great, BECAUSE I HATE THEM. EVs are focused on defense with some in Special Defense to take Draco Meteors better but mostly to take on Excadrill and Landorus.


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    Harvester (Jirachi) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Serene Grace
    EVs: 252 HP / 212 SDef / 44 Spd
    Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
    - Thunder
    - Iron Head
    - Wish
    - Protect

    Latias and Latios counter, but a great check to stuff like Reuniclus and Tyranitar. Thunder has 108 base power with my nature but I need speed and defense more than special attack. Thunder breaks Magnezone's Subs in two hits so I can USUALLY beat it even with SubCharge.


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    Clanker (Ferrothorn) (F) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Iron Barbs
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SDef
    Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
    - Spikes
    - Protect
    - Leech Seed
    - Power Whip

    Leech Seed Protect Ferrothorn does not die in the rain. If I have Stealth Rocks down and a counter switches in on Leech Seed its going to take around 37.5% before it forces me out while I gain most of my HP back due to Protect. Hard counters most Latios, even switching directly in on HP Fire assuming its Raining. Beats most bulky waters though Scald is a pain.



    Problems:

    Scrafty - It 6-0s if it gets lucky with Shed Skin, or if I simply can not status it and Moxie starts powering up.

    Ferrothorn - Its pretty good at covering me in Spikes. If I can burn it early great, if not its going to put enormous pressure on me.

    Sigylph - Not common, but my only hope is to remove it with Jirachi. If it runs speed EVs I have to hope for a Thunder Crit.

    Rotom W - STAB / Will-O-Wisp ****s my whole team. If I can get Gliscor in on it it almost always wins but I have a habit of mispredicting the Hydro Pumps.

    Virizion - I never know what to switch to. CMer is easy enough to deal with but without Toxic Spikes the Swords Dancer can be trouble.

    Status - Ugh Scald. I wish I could fit Heal Bell on the team somewhere. Why can't Bronzong learn it!?

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    I don't see any problems with it,and if it maintained that good of a record,eeeez nice.
    blue harvesttt,your genius is showing D:

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    Hmm... Your counters seem to be pretty well dealt with with a SD Virizion on your side.

    It should out speed Scrafty after a DD (though I don't know whether Close Combat will OHKO).

    Ferrothorn can't really do anything against it (unless some newbie slaps Aerial Ace on it) while it gets Close Combated.

    Sigilyph, on the slight chance you see him, can be ruined by Stone Edge/hurt by HP (Ice).

    Rotom-W I wish I had a damage calculator for, but he can't really do anything to Virizion besides Paralyzing or allowing it to set up while Virizion can Leaf Blade it.

    As for Virizion herself... Aerial Ace? (gets shot)

    As for a slot for Virizion... Bronzong might be considered expendable... But I'm not sure. It seems like you'll lose an integral part any way...

    But, a fantastic team, no doubt. And I enjoyed the "crappy" pictures as well.
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    i probably have no right commenting on a past OSL member, but i have to recommend firepunch over protect on jirachi for ferro, forretress, etc. cause you practically get a protect from iron head.
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    The best part about this is the pictures. Anyway, Blue, I think that you are probably one of the best team creators ever, and that I strive to be as good as you. (When I get my new computer)
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    really the only thing i can see wrong is if your politoed dies early on, then other weather teams will have a ball with you, but other then that, there isnt anything really bad with it

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    Fire Punch on a rain team won't do much. So protect is ok to scout some moves and get a wish in
    Also, BH just probably brings in Toed and switches out. It is practically useless anyway.
    You should have of made a gym team using your 5 Sweeper + a Revenge Killer Method. Hahaha

    But nice team <3

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    anyways, this is almost exactly the same team Heist ran during the Garchomp phase, it's a bit sun weak, but w/e nobody gives a **** about sun, so yeah, good team!!!! (i'm sorry for the short rate I'll have a more detailed one later, but for now I'd throw Ice Fang onto Glis for random **** like Balloon SD Terakion).

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    Interesting art. And you retured as a gym leader? News to me.

    It seems solid. Too bad I never leave home without my scrafty. Virzavilion cant really do too much to Bronzong.



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    Quote Originally Posted by emilyshortcake View Post
    I don't see any problems with it,and if it maintained that good of a record,eeeez nice.
    blue harvesttt,your genius is showing D:
    I don't know if generic rain stall + bad GIFs counts as genius but thank you either way!

    Quote Originally Posted by chanseychansey77 View Post
    Hmm... Your counters seem to be pretty well dealt with with a SD Virizion on your side.

    It should out speed Scrafty after a DD (though I don't know whether Close Combat will OHKO).

    Ferrothorn can't really do anything against it (unless some newbie slaps Aerial Ace on it) while it gets Close Combated.

    Sigilyph, on the slight chance you see him, can be ruined by Stone Edge/hurt by HP (Ice).

    Rotom-W I wish I had a damage calculator for, but he can't really do anything to Virizion besides Paralyzing or allowing it to set up while Virizion can Leaf Blade it.

    As for Virizion herself... Aerial Ace? (gets shot)

    As for a slot for Virizion... Bronzong might be considered expendable... But I'm not sure. It seems like you'll lose an integral part any way...

    But, a fantastic team, no doubt. And I enjoyed the "crappy" pictures as well.
    Virizion could work. It won't counter Scrafty but I guess its an improvement because its one less thing to set up on.

    Quote Originally Posted by ultimatedarkrai View Post
    i probably have no right commenting on a past OSL member, but i have to recommend firepunch over protect on jirachi for ferro, forretress, etc. cause you practically get a protect from iron head.
    If I wasn't running Rain I would maybe do it. I hate Protect-less Jirachi though. Its such a bad set. Most things can do 31%+ to Jirachi as to overwhelm Wish's healing but few things can do 56%+. Protect helps stall for Poison and scout choice items too. Its invaluable.

    Quote Originally Posted by GOLDENCRS View Post
    The best part about this is the pictures. Anyway, Blue, I think that you are probably one of the best team creators ever, and that I strive to be as good as you. (When I get my new computer)
    Nah, I'm an average player at best. This team practically plays by itself. Switch to counter - use status move - use protect until you win - hope to god they don't run scrafty. There isn't much thought to it.

    Quote Originally Posted by darkrai's_shadow View Post
    really the only thing i can see wrong is if your politoed dies early on, then other weather teams will have a ball with you, but other then that, there isnt anything really bad with it
    Yeah, Politoed is important. Luckily its useless early game so it only switches in on Heatran or I guess Ninetales. Its useful late game to clean up last poke curselax type threats but otherwise its usually dead weight.

    Quote Originally Posted by theebay707 View Post
    Fire Punch on a rain team won't do much. So protect is ok to scout some moves and get a wish in
    Also, BH just probably brings in Toed and switches out. It is practically useless anyway.
    You should have of made a gym team using your 5 Sweeper + a Revenge Killer Method. Hahaha

    But nice team <3
    LO Heatran
    CB Scizor
    Mixed Metagross
    LO Latios
    Mixed Thundurus
    Scarf Tyranitar

    ???


    Quote Originally Posted by epic_eevee View Post
    lol i love how you all worship bh
    The important thing is that I love me, and I do love me a lot.

    anyways, this is almost exactly the same team Heist ran during the Garchomp phase, it's a bit sun weak, but w/e nobody gives a **** about sun, so yeah, good team!!!! (i'm sorry for the short rate I'll have a more detailed one later, but for now I'd throw Ice Fang onto Glis for random **** like Balloon SD Terakion).
    Agh I had Ice Fang on Gliscor at first but I ended up losing to stuff like Rotom W and Gastrodon. Toxic does just as well in most cases even against Terrakion. Facade is cool and I might use that again.. maybe even Taunt because Goddamnit I hate Skarmory and Ferrothorn.

    Quote Originally Posted by Remorph View Post
    Interesting art. And you retured as a gym leader? News to me.

    It seems solid. Too bad I never leave home without my scrafty. Virzavilion cant really do too much to Bronzong.
    Nah, I'm done being gym leader for now. I hate Scrafty so much





    I was thinking of some changes now that I don't need to run monotype.

    Toxic / Seismic Toss / Wish / Softboiled Chansey over Jirachi.
    Toxic > Haze on Politoed (stops Taunt Jellient)
    Gyro Ball > Toxic on Bronzong (Sub CM Roar Latias)
    Taunt > Toxic on Gliscor (lets me PP stall Reuniclus if it HAS to, and ****s Ferrothorn)

    I think that improves the way the team does against most things except maybe Reuniclus. In theory Politoed can stall some PP and force it out a few times and in a pinch Gliscor can beat it with substall + Taunt.

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    You hate Scrafty? A good Staraptor BraveBird should OHKO, as long as it's not a Bulk Up. Fighting type moves (Which are common as heck) beat it up. Infernape just chuckles, and Close Combats.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Remorph View Post
    You hate Scrafty? A good Staraptor BraveBird should OHKO, as long as it's not a Bulk Up. Fighting type moves (Which are common as heck) beat it up. Infernape just chuckles, and Close Combats.
    Yeah, none of them can switch in, and worse, few of its counters are stallish.

    Also I just noticed this at Smogon. I think I'll go ahead and steal the superior Tentacruel EVs now..

    Eviolite Chansey > Bronzong is something I never considered. It kinda beats Landorus unless its Swords Dance and I haven't seen a SD Landorus yet so..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Harvest View Post
    Yeah, none of them can switch in, and worse, few of its counters are stallish.

    Also I just noticed this at Smogon. I think I'll go ahead and steal the superior Tentacruel EVs now..

    Eviolite Chansey > Bronzong is something I never considered. It kinda beats Landorus unless its Swords Dance and I haven't seen a SD Landorus yet so..
    I saw an SD Landorus today. lol

    Chansey is probably a better option than Bronzong, but why not use something that can benefit from the water boost? I'm thinking the pokemon of the week here. Ludicolo. Pull out the party hats.



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    Ludicolo might work on another team, but I see no place for it here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Harvest View Post
    Ludicolo might work on another team, but I see no place for it here.
    Yeah, but it does a good job. I mean, have you seen the 2010 VGC championship final round? But yeah, I see what you mean. Man, whenever I use my Scrafty, it doesn't do a lot of damage often, but maybe that's just my set. But I can seriously see Scrafty cutting through your team like fabric.



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    @ your threats
    Most virizion are CM sets which are countered by Rankurusu, latias, latios, Tornadus

    TBH gliscor seems to be the weak link of your team so replace him with one of the afore mentioned pokemon.

    As for rotom-W there is no better counter than gastrodon Immune to one STAB and Absorbs the other, gastrodon would also work as your thundurus counter which everyone knows is annoying af two sets here for your liking pick one and replace whichever pokemon you feel is lagging behind


    Gastrodon (M) @ Life Orb
    Trait: Storm Drain
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 SDef
    Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
    - Earth Power
    - Ice Beam
    - Surf
    - Recover
    My personal favourite set, HP is already sky high so EVs are distributed to SPdef

    and the ever so popular standard set


    Gastrodon (M) @ Life Orb
    Trait: Storm Drain
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SDef
    Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
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    Apparently I can't edit my Post because I was going to add something else I had forgotten and it said "DERP SORRY NOT ENUFF CHARACTERS MUST HAEV OVAH 10"

    But anyways.....A note about tornadus, counter to scrafty assuming it has 1DD under its belt and you're beneficial nature / scarfed

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    Curse + Gyro Ball ferrothorn can deal with scrafty, as long as you send it in early enough. Trust me, my old team's scrafty died to Psycho Cut's damn ferrothorn so many times.

    Anyway, awesome team. The one change i'd make is dropping thunder on Jirachi. Perhaps have Drain Punch as a replacement? It does as much damage to ferrothorn/forretress etc in rain as Fire Punch. Recovers some HP too.

    Meh. I wish I could challenge your gym now, and use scrafty

    Btw, EPIC PICTURES!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cara. View Post
    @ your threats
    Most virizion are CM sets which are countered by Rankurusu, latias, latios, Tornadus

    TBH gliscor seems to be the weak link of your team so replace him with one of the afore mentioned pokemon.

    As for rotom-W there is no better counter than gastrodon Immune to one STAB and Absorbs the other, gastrodon would also work as your thundurus counter which everyone knows is annoying af two sets here for your liking pick one and replace whichever pokemon you feel is lagging behind


    Gastrodon (M) @ Life Orb
    Trait: Storm Drain
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 SDef
    Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
    - Earth Power
    - Ice Beam
    - Surf
    - Recover
    My personal favourite set, HP is already sky high so EVs are distributed to SPdef

    and the ever so popular standard set


    Gastrodon (M) @ Life Orb
    Trait: Storm Drain
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SDef
    Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
    - Toxic
    - Ice Beam
    - Scald
    - Recover
    Nah, I don't see much reason to run Gastrodon over Chansey. At least Chansey can Wish stuff and take LO Landorus Earthquakes while Healing all the damage.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja Dewott View Post
    Curse + Gyro Ball ferrothorn can deal with scrafty, as long as you send it in early enough. Trust me, my old team's scrafty died to Psycho Cut's damn ferrothorn so many times.

    Anyway, awesome team. The one change i'd make is dropping thunder on Jirachi. Perhaps have Drain Punch as a replacement? It does as much damage to ferrothorn/forretress etc in rain as Fire Punch. Recovers some HP too.

    Meh. I wish I could challenge your gym now, and use scrafty

    Btw, EPIC PICTURES!
    I don't think Ferrothorn will survive +1 Hi Jump Kick and it probably dies to Drain Punch faster than I will to Gyro Ball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Regarde View Post
    same thing still applies. why would you post something so generic...?
    Because, despite it being a generic example of rain stall it is not a very common team archetype. Not nearly as common as sand, sun offense, and other standard crap. That, and it was a gym team that is now retired.

    More importantly I wanted to make more bad GIFs and Pure's RMT only had 6 Pokemon.

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    *grabs popcorn*

    Well, it looks to be a very solid team. Good job.



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    Let me just say that 76 speed EVs on Gliscor makes JesusFreak sad. It seems that every Jolly Tyranitar nowadays runs Scarf or (lol) DD, so either way, the chances of Gliscor being up against a +0 Jolly T-Tar are slim. I personally tend to drop the speed EVs to outspeed Adamant Breloom and Cloyster (before Shell Smash) and put those leftovers in Def. You lose the speed tie to other Gliscor, but you're not beating them any time soon with just Earthquake. Same deal with Rachi, who's usually EV'd the same way. (while we're on the topic of plagerism, epic_eevee was one of the first to suggest that to me a while back)

    Anyhow, I thought I had found from a calc earlier today that you were a little weak to Sand offense (namely Landorus and Excadrill) if you drop Bronzong, but I can't remember what I came up with. I guess it would be worth consideration.

    EDIT: Oh, and you could also lower those speed EVs enough to outspeed Timid Magnezone. This will allow Jirachi to troll the crud outta non-Charge Beam Zone before it dies, and it might let Gliscor kill it off with Earthquake before it gets hit by HP Ice or something. Just an afterthought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Harvest View Post
    I.

    Toxic / Seismic Toss / Wish / Softboiled Chansey over Jirachi.
    Toxic > Haze on Politoed (stops Taunt Jellient)
    Gyro Ball > Toxic on Bronzong (Sub CM Roar Latias)
    Taunt > Toxic on Gliscor (lets me PP stall Reuniclus if it HAS to, and ****s Ferrothorn)

    I think that improves the way the team does against most things except maybe Reuniclus. In theory Politoed can stall some PP and force it out a few times and in a pinch Gliscor can beat it with substall + Taunt.
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