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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Doom View Post
    This is the key phrase. Everything that is considered "sustainable" by society is boring to me.
    I'm not sure how society comes into it; I just mean if you can keep up well-being just by playing computer games for leisure; I think I'd lose interest and wish for other entertainment in the long-term. Oh, and sustainable in that you can afford it. Society exists to be participated in; if people are working in the economy to produce you a computer game, it's a given that at some point you'll contribute to the whole as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuboy View Post
    I certainly don't need to be reminded that this is a Pokemon forum, but there are plenty of people on the board that can relate. Pokemon was around long before some of the people on this forum were born... Let's not alienate our older members by futilely pretending that the internet is G-rated for the sake of some already-corrupted-by-the-media 10 year-olds.
    Actually, if you believe part of life is about having sex and intimate relationships, I'd say you have quite a lot of growing up to do yourself before you judge the way other people live their lives. (:

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    *shrug* Humans are social creatures by nature. I'd argue that it is a part of life. Not to digress too much, but I think I am well within my rights (even as a 'mature, grown-up person') to judge someone who spends their whole life playing video games rather than contributing to society in any useful way (disclaimer - not referring to any specific person in this case).

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    Quote Originally Posted by pirate555 View Post
    I'm not sure how society comes into it; I just mean if you can keep up well-being just by playing computer games for leisure; I think I'd lose interest and wish for other entertainment in the long-term. Oh, and sustainable in that you can afford it. Society exists to be participated in; if people are working in the economy to produce you a computer game, it's a given that at some point you'll contribute to the whole as well.
    That's another thing I hate about society. You are forced into it, and it expects you to participate in it. It's done nothing for me but screw me over, and it expects me to waste most of my life to sustain it? Really, am I the only one who sees this as a problem?
    Quote Originally Posted by LizardonX View Post
    Tabitha has really let himself go, just how many lava cookies did he eat in the last 11 years?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Doom View Post
    It's done nothing for me but screw me over
    Really. So where do you get your food? Where do you get the money to buy your food? Who built your computer? Who taught you how to type? Do you code your own video games or does someone else do it for you?

    If you lived in The Congo or Angola and you had to make a choice between using the last of your cholera-infested water on watering your crops with what's left of your limb or quenching the thirst of your starving children then I would feel the need to sympathise with you but frankly you just sound ungrateful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Doom View Post
    That's another thing I hate about society. You are forced into it, and it expects you to participate in it. It's done nothing for me but screw me over, and it expects me to waste most of my life to sustain it? Really, am I the only one who sees this as a problem?
    I understand the temptation to feel anarchic against society - I've nearly completed 17 years of full-time education and it seems nobody wants to hire me - but it's simple not to participate in society. Walk out into the wilds and settle down. Remember to take no bought food or clothes, since those are products of society. Live wild. That's life without society, and I think I prefer the social and legal constraints of being in a human community.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuboy View Post
    Really. So where do you get your food? Where do you get the money to buy your food? Who built your computer? Who taught you how to type? Do you code your own video games or does someone else do it for you?

    If you lived in The Congo or Angola and you had to make a choice between using the last of your cholera-infested water on watering your crops with what's left of your limb or quenching the thirst of your starving children then I would feel the need to sympathise with you but frankly you just sound ungrateful.
    Quote Originally Posted by pirate555 View Post
    I understand the temptation to feel anarchic against society - I've nearly completed 17 years of full-time education and it seems nobody wants to hire me - but it's simple not to participate in society. Walk out into the wilds and settle down. Remember to take no bought food or clothes, since those are products of society. Live wild. That's life without society, and I think I prefer the social and legal constraints of being in a human community.
    You shouldn't have to work for basic living necessities.
    Quote Originally Posted by LizardonX View Post
    Tabitha has really let himself go, just how many lava cookies did he eat in the last 11 years?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Doom View Post
    You shouldn't have to work for basic living necessities.
    Why not?

    Do you expect everything to be given to you on a silver platter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Doom View Post
    You shouldn't have to work for basic living necessities.
    Work is the only way that people can obtain resources, produce/manufacture the basic necessities from those resources, and transport them though. Medicine alone needs thousands of people to discover, refine, and distribute it.

    The ancients found a way to live a life of leisure with all their basic necessities easily within reach. But slavery is a method worth avoiding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuboy View Post
    Why not?

    Do you expect everything to be given to you on a silver platter?
    No, just basic necessities. Stuff like video games you should still have to work for.

    Quote Originally Posted by pirate555 View Post
    Work is the only way that people can obtain resources, produce/manufacture the basic necessities from those resources, and transport them though. Medicine alone needs thousands of people to discover, refine, and distribute it.

    The ancients found a way to live a life of leisure with all their basic necessities easily within reach. But slavery is a method worth avoiding.
    I'm not saying we should stop working, I'm saying there should be other ways to contribute to society.
    Quote Originally Posted by LizardonX View Post
    Tabitha has really let himself go, just how many lava cookies did he eat in the last 11 years?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Doom View Post
    No, just basic necessities. Stuff like video games you should still have to work for.
    So who should grow the food and sew the clothes and treat the water that you 'need'? Why should they do it and not someone else since we are all equally entitled to be given necessities for free?

    I'm not saying we should stop working, I'm saying there should be other ways to contribute to society.
    Than what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Doom View Post
    No, just basic necessities. Stuff like video games you should still have to work for.



    I'm not saying we should stop working, I'm saying there should be other ways to contribute to society.
    Well then on the positive side, 'work' has a plethora of meanings. I'm assuming that you're just thinking of working in a retail store, or in a menial placement. But work can be anything from helping charity organisations abroad, to sorting out theatre shows in the local area, to photography for newspapers; anything and everything that interests you. If you're interested in video games, why not work in the video game industry? There's a job for almost every skill and interest; but it needs some initiative to find your ideal work-place and plug away at winning the position.

    If society allows me, I want to learn everything about businesses, and then deal with them in as many countries as possible. Society has those possibilities, I'm just trying manically to prove I'm the most capable for the job... so far success has been limited. But I've still got a year to get there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Doom View Post
    That's another thing I hate about society. You are forced into it, and it expects you to participate in it. It's done nothing for me but screw me over, and it expects me to waste most of my life to sustain it? Really, am I the only one who sees this as a problem?
    No I'm sure Jeffrery Dahmer, Ted Bundy, and Charles Manson can relate.
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    About 97% of these women posing for pornographic pictures are held at gunpoint, and it can be anywhere. The majority of the time is by force.
    Lulz wat?

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    Speaking of video games, wasn't there a Japanese man (in real life) that married a video game character? (I remember the ceremony was recorded and uploaded on YouTube)

    Anyway, pulled off an easy A in a midterm despite 30 minutes of studying...(well, didn't really try hard, but whatever)

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    i can't believe how fast exams are creeping up lol. it's already the semester midpoint. January will be here before i know it.

    i ordered some grad wear though. that makes me happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuboy View Post
    So who should grow the food and sew the clothes and treat the water that you 'need'? Why should they do it and not someone else since we are all equally entitled to be given necessities for free?
    People who want to spend their lives on that stuff can do so, and then the rest of society can benefit from it.

    Quote Originally Posted by chuboy View Post
    Than what?
    Than the menial jobs we are forced to work just to get by in life.

    Quote Originally Posted by pirate555 View Post
    Well then on the positive side, 'work' has a plethora of meanings. I'm assuming that you're just thinking of working in a retail store, or in a menial placement. But work can be anything from helping charity organisations abroad, to sorting out theatre shows in the local area, to photography for newspapers; anything and everything that interests you. If you're interested in video games, why not work in the video game industry? There's a job for almost every skill and interest; but it needs some initiative to find your ideal work-place and plug away at winning the position.
    Working on video games is not enough. What's the point in making them if you don't have the time to enjoy them?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChedWick View Post
    No I'm sure Jeffrery Dahmer, Ted Bundy, and Charles Manson can relate.
    I don't know who those people are.
    Quote Originally Posted by LizardonX View Post
    Tabitha has really let himself go, just how many lava cookies did he eat in the last 11 years?

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    they are infamous murderers/sociopaths

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    Oh, well then real mature guys.
    Quote Originally Posted by LizardonX View Post
    Tabitha has really let himself go, just how many lava cookies did he eat in the last 11 years?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Doom View Post
    People who want to spend their lives on that stuff can do so, and then the rest of society can benefit from it.
    Lololol. Did you seriously type that with a straight face? I suppose that works in your imaginary utopia. But who would go and work out in the farm all year tirelessly working to grow crops just to give them away for free to people who sat on their asses that entire time doing sweet FA and enjoying themselves?

    Why would they do that if they could invest their time in something that would be rewarding for them and not simply for everybody else?

    I think you would find that nobody would be interested in taking up all the slack for everyone else and in the end if you wanted food you'd either have to grow it for yourself or pay someone to grow it for you.

    I'm actually lost for words that you think the world would even work in the way you are describing it.

    Than the menial jobs we are forced to work just to get by in life.
    They don't have to be menial jobs. But don't expect to get a free lunch or something for nothing. If you want anything you should expect to work for it now or later.

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    Well, I'm careening towards Thanksgiving break at the moment, and it can't come soon enough... I've done very well this semester though, I thought I failed a Microbiology exam but it turns out I got a 78, so my overall grade is still a B+... I just can't help but wonder if I can keep this up, but I know everyone has those thoughts :/ I'll enjoy break a lot, but after I return I'll have a plethora of exams, and then Finals -_-
    Quote Originally Posted by Dracoste View Post
    You were talking about safe cooking. Guess what happens when you don't cook safe.
    (It starts with "D" and ends with "amn, my kitchen is on fire")

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuboy View Post
    Lololol. Did you seriously type that with a straight face? I suppose that works in your imaginary utopia. But who would go and work out in the farm all year tirelessly working to grow crops just to give them away for free to people who sat on their asses that entire time doing sweet FA and enjoying themselves?

    Why would they do that if they could invest their time in something that would be rewarding for them and not simply for everybody else?

    I think you would find that nobody would be interested in taking up all the slack for everyone else and in the end if you wanted food you'd either have to grow it for yourself or pay someone to grow it for you.

    I'm actually lost for words that you think the world would even work in the way you are describing it.
    Of course not. Everyone would still contribute, they'd just have more choice as to what.

    Quote Originally Posted by chuboy View Post
    They don't have to be menial jobs. But don't expect to get a free lunch or something for nothing. If you want anything you should expect to work for it now or later.
    Only for luxuries. Necessities should not have to work this way.
    Quote Originally Posted by LizardonX View Post
    Tabitha has really let himself go, just how many lava cookies did he eat in the last 11 years?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Doom View Post
    Of course not. Everyone would still contribute, they'd just have more choice as to what.
    Everyone needs to eat, but growing food is hard. You still have not provided any reason why someone would go out of their way to farm food for people who would not have done anything for them in return. Even in a situation where that did happen, as a farmer I would give more or better quality produce to people who were prepared to do something for me or give me money in exchange for my hard work.

    From what I can tell from your posts you are totally unskilled and therefore you cannot comprehend a situation where people aren't entitled to your services for free. If you had something to offer to the world you would object to people taking you for granted.

    The world works by supply and demand. There is no demand for most jobs that need to be done unless there is a form a compensation attached to the job commensurate with the time and effort one spends doing it (for the most part anyway).

    Only for luxuries. Necessities should not have to work this way.
    Again, why not? Just because everybody needs them doesn't mean they are free to produce. At the end of the day someone still has to grow food, treat and pump the water or cut down the trees that make toilet paper and you shouldn't expect to enjoy the fruits of their labour without compensating them for their hard work and time.

    If you don't want to pay someone else for the things you need/want then you should make them yourself. Don't just sit on the couch playing computer games with your mouth open waiting to be fed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chuboy View Post
    Everyone needs to eat, but growing food is hard. You still have not provided any reason why someone would go out of their way to farm food for people who would not have done anything for them in return. Even in a situation where that did happen, as a farmer I would give more or better quality produce to people who were prepared to do something for me or give me money in exchange for my hard work.
    If the farmer enjoys his job enough, that won't matter, he'll just be happy to be doing it.

    Quote Originally Posted by chuboy View Post
    From what I can tell from your posts you are totally unskilled and therefore you cannot comprehend a situation where people aren't entitled to your services for free. If you had something to offer to the world you would object to people taking you for granted.
    Not true. I just have no interest in serving a society that demands my participation simply so I can live.

    Quote Originally Posted by chuboy View Post
    The world works by supply and demand. There is no demand for most jobs that need to be done unless there is a form a compensation attached to the job commensurate with the time and effort one spends doing it (for the most part anyway).
    You just need to find the right person.

    Quote Originally Posted by chuboy View Post
    Again, why not? Just because everybody needs them doesn't mean they are free to produce. At the end of the day someone still has to grow food, treat and pump the water or cut down the trees that make toilet paper and you shouldn't expect to enjoy the fruits of their labour without compensating them for their hard work and time.
    And here we come to the root of all the problems in society: money. It's all people care about anymore. And the world's going to hell because of it. Why can't people just work just for the satisfaction of the job?

    Quote Originally Posted by chuboy View Post
    If you don't want to pay someone else for the things you need/want then you should make them yourself. Don't just sit on the couch playing computer games with your mouth open waiting to be fed.
    Basic human needs should always be satisfied, regardless of any circumstances.
    Quote Originally Posted by LizardonX View Post
    Tabitha has really let himself go, just how many lava cookies did he eat in the last 11 years?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Doom View Post
    If the farmer enjoys his job enough, that won't matter, he'll just be happy to be doing it.
    Perhaps, for a small community. But if you think there are enough people in the world to grow food for everybody out of the goodness of their hearts then you are simply delusional, my friend.

    Not true. I just have no interest in serving a society that demands my participation simply so I can live.
    Then don't participate. Just don't expect anyone to give you anything. I certainly wouldn't.

    You just need to find the right person.

    And here we come to the root of all the problems in society: money. It's all people care about anymore. And the world's going to hell because of it. Why can't people just work just for the satisfaction of the job?
    Because what kind of person gets satisfaction out of working in 50 degrees C heat tossing someone else's bags into the cargo hold of an aeroplane? Who enjoys mopping vomit off a nightclub floor? Do you know anyone that gets a kick out of collecting other people's rotting garbage? How about people who are separated from their families to work on remote mines or fighting for their lives in the army?

    Who in their right minds would do any of those things for free?

    Who in their right minds would do anything for anybody who intends to contribute nothing in return?
    Basic human needs should always be satisfied, regardless of any circumstances.
    I disagree. If your circumstances are "couldn't give a damn about giving back, I just want to take, take, take" then you're on your own as far as I'm concerned.

    If you are trying to make do by yourself and you are genuinely struggling, there are more than enough people who will lend you a helping hand. But if all you want to do is sit in an air-conditioned room on a comfy seat being entertained by fancy electronics, then the last thing you should do is have the audacity to demand someone else work hard for free so you can have some lunch, a drink of water and a clean shirt to wear tomorrow.

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    I'm too tired ATM to fully respond to this argument, but I will respond to some of what you've said.

    Quote Originally Posted by chuboy View Post
    Then don't participate. Just don't expect anyone to give you anything. I certainly wouldn't.
    No. I'm saying you shouldn't have to participate or die. That's fascist.

    Quote Originally Posted by chuboy View Post
    Because what kind of person gets satisfaction out of working in 50 degrees C heat tossing someone else's bags into the cargo hold of an aeroplane? Who enjoys mopping vomit off a nightclub floor? Do you know anyone that gets a kick out of collecting other people's rotting garbage? How about people who are separated from their families to work on remote mines or fighting for their lives in the army?

    Who in their right minds would do any of those things for free?

    Who in their right minds would do anything for anybody who intends to contribute nothing in return?
    We can build machines to help with the work no one wants to do.

    Quote Originally Posted by chuboy View Post
    I disagree. If your circumstances are "couldn't give a damn about giving back, I just want to take, take, take" then you're on your own as far as I'm concerned.

    If you are trying to make do by yourself and you are genuinely struggling, there are more than enough people who will lend you a helping hand. But if all you want to do is sit in an air-conditioned room on a comfy seat being entertained by fancy electronics, then the last thing you should do is have the audacity to demand someone else work hard for free so you can have some lunch, a drink of water and a clean shirt to wear tomorrow.
    Yeah, I'm saying that there's no reason why people should be wasting away just because they have nothing of value to society. In my case, I would be paying for video games and maybe electricity and AC, but not food or water or rent or anything like that. I'm also saying there should be a way for people to use their true talents to contribute to society, not the talents that society values.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LizardonX View Post
    Tabitha has really let himself go, just how many lava cookies did he eat in the last 11 years?

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