Unmastered track from the upcoming Jewelz Infinate album
Unmastered track from the upcoming Jewelz Infinate album
Last edited by Hammerheart; 2nd October 2012 at 6:16 PM.
I wouldn't exactly blame the artists for the bad lyrics, flow, meaning, etc. It's actually the power and money hungry music industries. Say a rapper makes 16 songs for an album usually none of them get sold unless the music industry changes the sound, lyrics, and flow to what they want. They want every rapper in they're business to kiss they're *** and they actually do. I've heard Lil Waynes underground stuff his freestyle outside of industry stuff and it's actually really good. But once you get sucked into the music industry your they're slave. You can't sound what you wanna sound like without them complaining, you can't talk about what you want without them complaining, etc. So I blame the music industry for this aka mainstream. Seriously go underground and you'll see what I mean. You will find a big difference in the way the rap.
Last edited by ShinyUmbreon189; 3rd October 2012 at 12:35 AM.
Cruel Summer is a fantastic album.
That is all.
So you basically just ignored what everyone else said then did you. Cool. Like Hammerheart said Underground rap just isn't popular and for many reasons. You can complain all you like about it but it is what it is and it's not that hard to understand why it's like that.
You may dislike what is in the mainstream due to irrational hatred of music industries but Hip-hop is not dead at all, despite what you may claim.
Oh so suddenly Hip-Hop is not dead you say. While this ultimately is going to come down to personal preference I disagree with the fact that a "few mainstream rappers are okay" simply because there is more than enough good rappers that are out these days.
Personally I believe that the underground isn't popular simply because it's not that accessible to everyone.
^ As you mentoned, it all comes down to personal preference. Granted that some songs do sound better than others, it gets very repetitve and old... at least to me that is.
As for underground being not as popluar, it isn't because of that. In the music industry, record companies scan various artists, see what they have to offer and often make decions if that song is going to be profitable and a hit when released. They couldn't care less of what's being said rather than what they as a company would get out of it. It's really all about the money, rather than the actual message being portrayed in the song itself.
manyof them don't make any bit if sense but yet still manage to sell millions of albums...
I'm very surprsied someone posted a video of Hopsin, one of the very few artists that thoroughly explains how corrput mainstream hip hop and society is nowadays.
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The main reason why underground rappers aren't that popular is because they get no radio time. Underground rappers get asked all the time to get signed and they turn it down, why? That's because they don't wanna be sucked up into the industry and lose all the reputation they had. Sure they'll sell a bunch of albums but they wont be good anymore. The reason why rappers go in mainstream is for money. They don't care that they're music sounds like trash all they want is money. Underground rappers aren't in it for the money. They're in it to send a message with lyrics and have fun rapping without someone changing the way they sound. They'd rather have fans come see them on tour than sell records; even tho they don't get to perform in front of a huge crowd. So in terms of respect, I'd give it to underground rappers for not being greedy and money hungry. Why do you think they sound better? It's because they sound the way they wanna sound without the industry up they're *** about it.
Actually believe it or not, some underground rappers are VERY popular. How popular is Tech N9ne, Hopsin, MF Doom, Immortal Technique, etc. They have all sold millions of albums but Hopsin but he's getting there. All of Tech N9ne's albums were gold even tho he never got any radio time. He tried to get on the radio but they turned him down. Why? Because they don't wanna lose money by putting other rappers out of business in the mainstream. In reality, all those radio industries like Tech N9ne but he'd get played so much from his good music that the company's would lose money. If I can remember there was only 1 song that got played on radio and that was Caribou Lou. Tech N9ne made it because he wanted to be on the radio why do you think he never plays it live? It's not a terrible song, for him it is but against all the other rappers its a platinum hit.
Reading an interview with Stretch the Mad Scientist who did the Lost Children of Babylon's 911 album, he uses pro tools. There's nothing wrong with using technology to your advantage as long as it's used correctly and not misused. There seems a trend these days to be anti pro-tools and equate it with soulless music which isn't the case. Hip Hop has always been about technology and innovation ways of producing music.
Last edited by Hammerheart; 3rd October 2012 at 10:25 AM.
^ I just don't like what rap has become. It's all about money and nothing more. I find it ridiculous that you gotta go to old school or underground to find good stuff. If you know what "flow" is then you would understand what I'm saying. You gotta have flow to be considered a good rapper. Most radio can't flow now. Wiz Khalifa is mainstream but he doesn't "suck". I wouldn't say he's that good either but he can "flow". This Plane is a good example of flow. Or Hero "freestyle". Rakim has the best flow I've ever heard. Fat Joe has good flow cos he can switch it around, Biggie is another example of a good flow rapper, Bun B, Nas, Ice Cube, Tupac, Eminem, etc have great flow as well. Without flow it's not rap. Just because you can rhyme in a song doesn't mean it's good. You don't gotta rhyme for it to be a song. I've heard lots of good rappers make songs where they didn't rhyme really at all. Rhyming just shows the skill you possess. I'm not talking about rhymes like dog, hog, fog, fall, call, ball, flow, blow, dro, oh, etc. I'm talking about 2 or more syllabul words like. Remember, dismember, December, century, penitentiary, cemetery, miracle, spiritual, lyrical, etc. Flow is what makes it sound good and mainstream don't have that.
But rap hasn't become anything, just a different niche of it is in the spotlight at the moment. Why is it a problem that you have to look underground or go old school? Just because the good stuff isn't popular doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It's still there and for all underground implies that it's hard to come by, it really isn't. Yeah I get it can be frustrating that people percieve the genre to be something it's not, but at the end of the day, I like what I like and the opinions and validations of others are of no consequence to me.
And I'll admit I am somewhat new to the genre, but I feel know what flow is.
What do you think of this? Would you say he has a good flow? I feel he does, but like I say, I'm no expert.
Eh, I can't really decide. It's just weird lol. Here I'll post a song and I want you to listen to it maybe this will help you learn what flow is.
Basically flow is the rhythm the rapper uses when spitting a bar. The emphasis and pitch makes it up too.
Last edited by ShinyUmbreon189; 3rd October 2012 at 11:35 AM.
Yeah I thought so, the phrasing and where your beats fall in your sentences and how you structure them and stuff.
That track didn't grab me much, I think for me personally the actual musical element is just as important as the rapping. I think that's why I love the Lost Children of Babylon's first album so much. But your track just felt a bit safe/generic from a musical standpoint.
Put bluntly I find the Science stuff (which in the case of the Lost Children of Babylon usually relates to Nuwaubian teachings such as Dr. York's The Holy Tablets) interesting. I like spiritual stuff, I like mythological stuff, I like conspiracy theories, and I like the sort of pseudo-science esoteric knowledge stuff. It's interesting to listen to, and I feel it helps with the overall feel. It's subject matter that is less grounded in reality and as such I feel it becomes something else, something more ethereal, more transcendent. But of course the music and beats are very important with that, the new age dreamy laid back feel coupled with rhymes about really deep stuff just add to the overall.
I don't really care about life in the getto rapped over some hard hitting but musically sparse beat. I acknowledge there's an audience for it, but it's not my thing.
Anyone hear "Thrift Shop" from Macklemore? Quite an interesting song.
Here's my first hip hop album of 2013 that I've got, and it's also free which is quite nice. Some nice features too like Bliss and White Lotus. (even if I do still find it weird listening to Antahkarana Heru Ki Nabu because of his French.)
I always liked 50 Cent. His lyrics were hilarious. My favorite song of his is "Candy Shop".
Anyway my favorite artist right now is Lupe Fiasco. Not in any specific order but my top 5 favorite songs of his:
1. Battle Scars
2. Words I Never Said
3. Never Forget You
4. Little Weapon
5. Around My Way
The Show Goes On
Last edited by John Wallrein; 8th February 2013 at 11:28 PM.
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going off Rezzo's thread, I'm interested as to whether anyone's listened to Kanye West's new album 'Yeezus' yet, which leaked online yesterday.
Personally I was somewhat disappointed. It starts off really strong imo but then I felt that the standard slipped.
I was definitely expecting more from this album.
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