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    1. Rock isn't always indie rock
    2. Rock isn't always 90's rock
    3. That thread's from 2009
    4. That thread's from 2008
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    Anyhoo, I listen to quite a lot of rock, but most of it's modern. Stuff like Rise Against, 30 Seconds to Mars, Muse, Greend Day, etc. My all-time favorite band is called Madina Lake, they're a rock band with some electronic elements, and they are fucking awesome... check them out. (most of their vids suck though :P)

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    Oooooo, Skyler, I lieks your music! Lol. Except I'm not a fan of Muse's vocals, though I'm in love with their instrumentals.

    Lol, I know people are dicks.

    And Oasis is usually just meh and gives me headaches like most music I don't like, but they HAVE had a few good songs, I'll check em out again perhaps.
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    I actually haven't really ever listened to Oasis...
    Does David Bowie count as rock? because right now I'm in love with his Space Oddity album

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    Hmmm....I'm not sure. Let's ask the experts -insert eye roll here-
    We can pretend he does, for the sake of him kind of being older classic rock or something.
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    can someone tell me the next best album to get after Floodland from the Sisters of Mercy? and if Bauhaus or Fields of Nephilim have done anything worthwhile?
    Quote Originally Posted by emogirl View Post
    Hmmm....I'm not sure. Let's ask the experts -insert eye roll here-
    maybe we keep responding to you because you constantly have to put in this bitchy remarks like OH WHY DON'T WE ASK THE EXPERTS and then when the people you're talking about respond you bitch about how we're nitpicking and how you're above responding to us. fuck off.

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    Nah, I'm just sarcastic. What genre would you put David Bowie in? I want to know, I'm much too general about things.

    So, anyone here like We Came As Romans? I don't know for sure what genre they are, but they're approximately rockish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobertStyx View Post
    That pretty much sums up most of the disputes in every thing! The vast majority of people are dicks.



    Hmmm, may have to check that out. Wasn't too keen on Oasis, the majority of their stuff was meh at best, but they had the occasional song that was fantastic.
    Quote Originally Posted by Skyler 99
    I actually haven't really ever listened to Oasis...
    BAH YOU MUST DIE THEY ARE ONLY THE GREATEST BRITPOP BAND TO EVER-

    They were big in the 90s and kind of ok throughout the 2000s since the decline in popularity of Britpop/Alt Rock in mainstream music. They broke up in 2009 because of a dispute between the lead vocalist and lead guitarist/primary song writer (They were brothers and were always fighting). One continued Oasis and made it his own band called Beady Eye (Liam the lead vocalist who from what I hear is kind of a div) The other Noel Gallagher is primarily seen as the core or what makes up 50% of the band since 90% of the songs are his lyrics and composition, he did sing on occasion and is actually pretty good. But his brother's vocals aren't bad either though at times he's so stoned it sounds like he needs to clear his throat.

    A common misconception is Oasis is a band trying to be too much like The Beatles, being an avid listener to both bands I really don't see how this comes into play; they sound completely different. The Beatles is more akin to their era and Oasis is more modern. The only thing they share in common is they're both British.

    If you want to give them a try go listen to their album What's the Story Morning Glory? It without a doubt put them into popularity and is probably their best album.

    Oasis influenced me to learn guitar (i'm halfway threre but due to handicap complications it's difficult for me) and have got me through some tough times. bah I need to stop ranting about Oasis.

    Is anyone here or was a band? I wanted to start one but it never got off the ground.
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    Before I start, I'd like to point out, something not being metal isn't a bad thing. it's just what it is, not metal. This isn't me insulting your favourite bands, I'm just trying to educate more than anything.

    Quote Originally Posted by emogirl View Post
    Okay, metal is an extremely large and vague genre of music, and it DOES include alternative metal.
    MEtal isn't vague at all. perhaps in the broader sense that there are many subgenre's that don't sound similar but fall under metal. But it should be noted all proper genre's have distinguishable features/characteristics about them.

    However, Alternative metal? What's alternative metal really? What's it an alternative to? Could you give me some legitimate stylistic features of alternative metal? How the genre was developed, how it relates to other genres?

    Quote Originally Posted by emogirl View Post
    I realize most of the people there listen to doom and death and whatever else, and I did list lighter bands, but that doesn't mean that bands like As Blood Runs Black aren't metal, because they are. Hell, Evanescence is metal. I don't really like them, but they are officially a metal band. Bands like Slipknot and Disturbed and Breaking Benjamin are heavy rock to alternative metal.
    As I say, there's no such thing as Officially metal. It's not like the metal police have sanctioned their metalness or anything.
    If you listen to Evanescence, it's essentially pop/rock in structure, with a few minor metal aesthetics.

    Quote Originally Posted by emogirl View Post
    People there are just too narrow-minded in their taste to think that only bands like Entombed and whatever the hell else are the only thing that counts as metal.
    I think it's quite the opposite, I think people like you are the narrow minded ones. People who assume because something's heavy it's metal. You clearly haven't looked into metal properly, and taken the time to understand it, and what makes metal. And instead of listening and learning, your just forcing your misinformed view on other's.



    Quote Originally Posted by emogirl View Post
    Well, you know when you use things like Windows Media Player, or you look at the genres of music on your iPod? Their songs are under metal. That's how.
    And, well, what DOES make it metal then?
    Except no. It's far too easy to change them, ( for example I just made Candle in the Wind a Black Metal song )and often when importing media player gets stuff wrong. For example I was importing the new Anathema compilation the other night. It came up with Heavy metal by default. Now can you honestly listen to this and tell me it's heavy metal?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ipOg6jLQLg

    Now granted they used to be metal, but since the late 90's early 00's they moved to a more goth rock style with judgement, then more proggy with the next couple of albums, before even sounding almost post rock esque on last years abum.

    Quote Originally Posted by emogirl View Post
    ...Cool story bro. Did all of you annoying metal guys come here just to argue with me? This isn't a debate thread about metal versus rock versus sub genres. So, I, for the second time, will ignore you all, because you are not worth my time.
    No, I just came to point out there were already rock threads, but then checked back and saw your unfair accusations of the metal thread, and decided to defend the good people of the metal thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chaotic Tyrant View Post

    i have a growing interest in post punk bands like The Smiths, The Sisters of Mercy, some of the darker albums by The Cure, etc.
    It never ceases to surprise me how much we have in common. Have you ever listened to Morrisey's solo stuff? You are the Quarry is a class album.

    I also really like the Cure, but I love both sides of them, the poppy stuff, and moody stuff.

    Quote Originally Posted by emogirl View Post
    Cool, so when I say something is a certan genre, even if I'm not using a program, it's wrong, but you can correct me? So where did the almighty learn of genre categories, and that no band can be in more than one? I'd love to be able to kneel at your pedestal, and learn your knowledge.
    If you were wrong, chances are yes. Give me an example.

    I learned about genre's through listening to metal for the last 9 years, understanding the genre, noticing common/differentiating characteristic's, reading reviews, watching documentaries, actually listening to it in an analytical way. Basically a gradual but constant learnnig/understanding. It might sound daft, but when you surround your self with metal and the metal community as much as I have, it's one of those things you pick up.

    Quote Originally Posted by RobertStyx View Post
    Its some thing you pick up and learn when you learn music, and spend time around musicians, as I have for the past 8-9 years. It's some thing you grow very anal over (FYI: Musicians are anal about EVERY thing, some thing you have to learn to tolerate...), like this!

    Ozzy and Sabbath are definitely heavy metal. Metallica are primarily thrash metal (clues in the name there ), but their more recent stuff is very country, blues and rock influenced, so I can let that one slide.
    August Burns are metalcore rather than rock, and Breaking Benjamin is considered more Nu-Metal, though I can see where they would considered rock (see, at least I'm trying to lighten up *puppy dog eyes* ).
    I'm also a musician for going on 8/9 years.

    I'm going to be pedantic now and say there's no clue in the name metallica as to them being thrash metal, just to their being metal


    Quote Originally Posted by emogirl View Post
    Well, when I last listed a metalcore band in the metal thread i got yelled at. I guess I don't see where it belongs if it goes in neither. I have no idea where my music belongs if it just gets criticized in every thread I post in.
    Basically metal core isn't metal, nor is it hardcore, it's the area inbetween that features elements of hardcore metal fans dont like, and elements of metal hardcore fan's don't like, and as with most fusion genre's you just get a watered down version of both genres, that never fulfils the potential it might if it was one or another.


    Quote Originally Posted by Skyler 99 View Post
    1. Rock isn't always indie rock
    2. Rock isn't always 90's rock
    3. That thread's from 2009
    4. That thread's from 2008
    Just saiyan
    First two points fair enough.

    I don't feel however you have a point with the latter two. A thread, no matter how old, serves the same purpose if it's about a broad subject such as rock.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chaotic Tyrant View Post
    can someone tell me the next best album to get after Floodland from the Sisters of Mercy? and if Bauhaus or Fields of Nephilim have done anything worthwhile?
    Basically you have a choice of two, it depends if you like more upbeat stuff, or more dark gothy stuff. Personally I prefer the poppier stuff, so I would recommend Vision Thing. (Produced by Jim Steinman of Meatloaf/Bonnie Tyler fame), but If you want a more typically goth album, go for First And Last And Always. I don't like that one as much, but I've not given it as much time as Vision Thing.

    I have one Bauhaus album (which I'm listening to now coincidentally), called In the Flat Field. I'd recommend it though.

    I also would recommend The March Violets. They have a compilation called The Botanic Verses which is rather good.
    I'd also recommend Siouxsie and the Banshees, I only have Once Upon a Time: The Singles, but I'd say it's worth a listen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zweihander Nemesis View Post
    Is anyone here or was a band? I wanted to start one but it never got off the ground.
    I'm working on a solo project atm, that I'm going to put a band name on even though it is only myself doing it, sort of like Trent Reznor and Nine Inch Nails. Even though the vast majority of my mates are musicians, none of us are in a band together lol. We tried it in the past for a while, but our tastes were all too different, and it just didn't work.
    I actually had a good bit of material I was hoping to get recorded while I had the time to over the summer, but I wasn't able to due a series of health issues =[

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    Ugh.

    I fell out of love with Rock music for several years, but it's probably my favourite genre again nowadays. I'm not really into proggy/hard rock for the most part, I'm much more of a psychedelic and power-pop fan (and before you start, that would be a straight dud in the pop thread, so I'm bringing it here).

    Off the top of my head, my main rock staples are...

    Moby Grape
    Zeppelin
    Creedence Clearwater Revival
    Big Star
    Brendan Benson (very much power-pop)
    The Boss (Springsteen for anyone crazy enough to be uninformed)
    Steely Dan (are just superior to almost anything)
    The Byrds
    Fleet Foxes (folk-rock if at all rocky, but hey, they're absolutely awesome)
    Frank Zappa
    Little Richard (owns)
    Prince has enough rock tunes to count here, as he is the greatest musician ever by quite some distance.

    That's all for now. Criticise away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobertStyx View Post
    I'm working on a solo project atm, that I'm going to put a band name on even though it is only myself doing it, sort of like Trent Reznor and Nine Inch Nails. Even though the vast majority of my mates are musicians, none of us are in a band together lol. We tried it in the past for a while, but our tastes were all too different, and it just didn't work.
    I actually had a good bit of material I was hoping to get recorded while I had the time to over the summer, but I wasn't able to due a series of health issues =[
    Hmm well hopefully you get something off the ground, best of wishes to you mate.

    I feel as if I was supposed to be a musician but it never turned out, I have a good sense of rhythm and am heavily influenced by music. I notice differences in music of the same genre and can single out different instruments in a band. But I guess I never delved too much into music theory, I wanted to but never did. I used to be able to read Piano notes but I haven't practiced in ages.

    according to Statistics http://76.74.24.142/44510E63-7B5E-5F...9B51EDCE0F.pdf Rock is the most popular genre in America. Though Pop,Hip Hop and Rap seem to be definitively the "loudest" on the radio and in pop culture. Finding someone who listens to rock in the mainstream norm is not difficult but I find allot more people who prefer the other genres than Rock today.
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    I think that a. some people are a bit embarrassed to like rock in front of their friends, and b. rock is rarely easy to promote in the mainstream. How many nightclubs play rock all night?

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    While I do mainly listen to pop music I do also like quite a bit of rock:
    -Paramore
    -Evanescence (they're rock, they're metal, who cares?)
    -Sleeping With Sirens (post-hardcore so idk where to put them :P)
    -Hey Monday
    -You Me At Six
    -The Pretty Reckless

    I do like a lot more bands, but they're all metal. I definitely prefer newer bands as well, for whatever reason. I just do.
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    listening to Killing Joke's s/t right now. there doesn't seem to be a lot going on in it... hoping it grows on me.

    oh, and i've considered doing a one man grind project before, but i don't have the time or patience. and that belongs in a punk or metal thread anyway.
    Quote Originally Posted by Hammerheart
    Basically you have a choice of two, it depends if you like more upbeat stuff, or more dark gothy stuff. Personally I prefer the poppier stuff, so I would recommend Vision Thing. (Produced by Jim Steinman of Meatloaf/Bonnie Tyler fame), but If you want a more typically goth album, go for First And Last And Always. I don't like that one as much, but I've not given it as much time as Vision Thing.

    I have one Bauhaus album (which I'm listening to now coincidentally), called In the Flat Field. I'd recommend it though.

    I also would recommend The March Violets. They have a compilation called The Botanic Verses which is rather good.
    I'd also recommend Siouxsie and the Banshees, I only have Once Upon a Time: The Singles, but I'd say it's worth a listen.
    i'll just give both a try next. i thought they had more than three albums.

    i have the Siouxsie and the Banshees album Juju. it seems to be their best received. i'm planning on giving it a listen tonight.

    i also got a hold of the Christian Death album Only Theatre of Pain. you have any opinion on them?
    It never ceases to surprise me how much we have in common. Have you ever listened to Morrisey's solo stuff? You are the Quarry is a class album.

    I also really like the Cure, but I love both sides of them, the poppy stuff, and moody stuff.
    never listened to Morrisey's solo stuff. i'm still exploring some of the Cure's stuff. Disintegration and Pornography click with me the most. going to give Seventeen Seconds some attention too.

    so far Sisters of Mercy's Floodland is my favorite post punk album. but i'm still just getting into it.

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    Ah I remember listening to the Cure once I forget what song but I did like it. I think I like more punk than I like to lead on but I just don't know enough artists to say so. Though one of my favorites is Goldfinger, Goldfinger - Spokesman
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaotic Tyrant View Post

    i also got a hold of the Christian Death album Only Theatre of Pain. you have any opinion on them?

    never listened to Morrisey's solo stuff. i'm still exploring some of the Cure's stuff. Disintegration and Pornography click with me the most. going to give Seventeen Seconds some attention too.

    so far Sisters of Mercy's Floodland is my favorite post punk album. but i'm still just getting into it.
    Can't say I'm familiar with Christian Death, but I'll look into them.

    I haven't got seventeen seconds myself. It's probably what I'll go for next. Have you heard the album Wish? it's probably the most accessible album, but I love it.

    I think Floodland is my second favourite, behind Disintegration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zweihander Nemesis View Post
    Ah I remember listening to the Cure once I forget what song but I did like it. I think I like more punk than I like to lead on but I just don't know enough artists to say so. Though one of my favorites is Goldfinger, Goldfinger - Spokesman
    i know i'm going to sound pretentious for saying this, but i don't really consider stuff like this, newer Green Day, Blink 182, etc, punk. that song isn't bad, but i just don't hear that anger that makes punk for me. but i guess i'm nitpicking.
    it's better than Green Day and Blink though, and they have a lot more personality to their sound.

    though i consider the Descendents punk, and they're pretty close: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiltQYlNot0
    i never liked their lyrics and their vocalist is sorta annoying, but Milo Goes To College is one of the catchiest punk albums ever.
    Quote Originally Posted by Hammerheart View Post
    Can't say I'm familiar with Christian Death, but I'll look into them.

    I haven't got seventeen seconds myself. It's probably what I'll go for next. Have you heard the album Wish? it's probably the most accessible album, but I love it.

    I think Floodland is my second favourite, behind Disintegration.
    i think with some more listens one of the Cure's albums might take it. they have a bit more gloom to them, as much as i like some of them i'm still waiting for them to "click" all the way if that makes sense.
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    Well, given the alternative vibe this thread gives off, this'll fit well enough:

    Coldplay: "Paradise"

    It's a bit more poppy than their previous efforts, but it's an incredible track.

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    The Black Keys are supposed to have a new LP out at the end of the year, really hope it is more similar to The Big Come Up & Magic Potion than their more recent efforts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaotic Tyrant View Post
    i know i'm going to sound pretentious for saying this, but i don't really consider stuff like this, newer Green Day, Blink 182, etc, punk. that song isn't bad, but i just don't hear that anger that makes punk for me. but i guess i'm nitpicking.
    I like old Green Day, not the poppy kind of sounding 2004 reboot Green Day, and good ol' Music elitism eh? Sometimes even though I don't mean to be like that I feel that sometimes. I know punk had it's roots in the 70s guess I don't listen to enough of it or haven't come across it. It's past its prime I guess you can say? Like how psychedelic rock peaked in the late 60s and early 70s?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aviere
    Well, given the alternative vibe this thread gives off, this'll fit well enough:

    Coldplay: "Paradise"

    It's a bit more poppy than their previous efforts, but it's an incredible track.
    Ah Coldplay, I used to not like them because everyone was talking about them when they hit popularity and I was trying to be a "cool non-conformist" But I see the error of my ways and have acknowledged their awesomeness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mevejuma View Post
    We have a metal thread, we have a pop thread, time for a rock thread if you ask me - which is basically for bands that don't fit the "metal" genre. So, to start things off, did anyone here in the UK go to/watch this years Reading festival? It was the last time Muse are going to play most of Origins of Symmetry!
    I know i'm bringing up an old point here but i was at Readings sister festival Leeds (It's closer and i'm northern :P) and Muse were definitely the highlight of my weekend, especially with them playing the entirety of my favourite album of theirs It's was just generally a great weekend though, cant say i missed anything that i wanted to see
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    Quote Originally Posted by superjesus1 View Post
    I know i'm bringing up an old point here but i was at Readings sister festival Leeds (It's closer and i'm northern :P) and Muse were definitely the highlight of my weekend, especially with them playing the entirety of my favourite album of theirs It's was just generally a great weekend though, cant say i missed anything that i wanted to see
    You may be in luck then, they say that their next album will be more like Origins and Absolution - something that's got me really looking forward to it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by superjesus1 View Post
    I know i'm bringing up an old point here but i was at Readings sister festival Leeds (It's closer and i'm northern :P) and Muse were definitely the highlight of my weekend, especially with them playing the entirety of my favourite album of theirs It's was just generally a great weekend though, cant say i missed anything that i wanted to see
    Nice! Muse is awesome I wish I saw them in concert. Speaking of concerts. Back in August I believe, I saw Sir Paul McCartney in concert in Yankee Stadium for a guy so old, he, is, godly pretty funny too. Guest appearance by Billy Joel too so I just got a two for one ticket. His singing voice hasn't been affected at all by his age.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zweihander Nemesis View Post
    I like old Green Day, not the poppy kind of sounding 2004 reboot Green Day, and good ol' Music elitism eh? Sometimes even though I don't mean to be like that I feel that sometimes. I know punk had it's roots in the 70s guess I don't listen to enough of it or haven't come across it. It's past its prime I guess you can say? Like how psychedelic rock peaked in the late 60s and early 70s?
    i don't think punk is dead. it's just a lot different.

    nowadays you have stuff like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEgWBnGn-aI

    which is obviously a lot different from the Ramones and such, and a lot more influenced by metal. people have been saying punk has been dead since the 80's. same with metal.

    and i think a little (justified and polite) elitism is a good thing in music. it might make you look like a dick but i think it helps build taste and opinions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaotic Tyrant View Post
    and i think a little (justified and polite) elitism is a good thing in music. it might make you look like a dick but i think it helps build taste and opinions.
    I agree it would help one formulate taste and opinions on music; it would kind of be boring if you treated all music the same way. Though I refrain myself from giving an example because
    1. I probably don't know enough about music
    2. I'm afraid to offend someone in their taste of music.
    But as long as its not "Yo, Weezer is the greatest band of all time every other band sucks, only Weezer is true music"; and you should have respect other artists as well, I mean I am not a fan of rap but I'm not going say Kanye West- Is a bum who makes crap music . It's fine.
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