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Anyway, I listen to A LOT of rock. AFI, Hawthorne Heights, HIM... I listen to the old stuff too, don't worry. Just not as much, because those bands won't have new material anytime soon.
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and this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWE9kbecx5w
and this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i70zFUh5ugA
and this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTNWczKWq1k
and this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sm6s5Z8L57Y
punk is not just the Ramones or the Sex Pistols anymore. **** you if you think so. there's tons of branches on it. also how does it make sense to dismiss an entire genre about lyrics? if you're going to give me that "i don't like political lyrics" point too punk has never ALL had political lyrics.
it's fine to not like it, but the reasons you listed are dumb. the musical talent one is a fair thing to say but it's still not very valid.
I find lyrics to be vitally important if the music is stripped to its bare bones. Punk lyrics are boring and formulaic. I'd rather read a Stephanie Meyer novel. I love political lyrics when done well. Punk does not do this.
Ces, yes, 95% + of music is worthless.
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not all punk has political lyrics. even as early as the ****ing Misfits, punk had lyrics that weren't political.I find lyrics to be vitally important if the music is stripped to its bare bones. Punk lyrics are boring and formulaic. I'd rather read a Stephanie Meyer novel. I love political lyrics when done well. Punk does not do this.
but i understand why you wouldn't like punk if lyrics mean that much to you. i don't really understand that point of view where lyrics mean all that much, but whatever.
, the thread serves exactly the same purpose.
I actually find it a bit baffeling, as most forums actively encourage you use the search bar and post in an existing thread, rather than clogging up the forum with duplicate threafs.
So, what do we count A Day To Remember to be, just to ask a question?
And we're not supposed to post in threads that have been inactive for a month or more, so even though it serves the same purpose, we're not supposed to use it..
It's all about Atom and the Ants 'bros'.
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Oh, I did see it, I...did I mention that?
Meh, just like a lot of rules, it's probably because they felt like it, or thought of some crazy scenario where it would be a problem, and we just...wouldn't.
Jeez, on the punk music thing, the lyrics aren't always THAT bad. I mean, sure, I'm probably getting my sub genres mixed up a little because the internet is an awful place to learn things, but, come on...The same could be said for most genres. It just depends on what you like.
I think for the sake of entertainment, or misc in general, using the search feature should be encouraged. As I say, most other forums I use have stickies at the top dedicated to showing people how to use the search feature.
Now you get to hear what my favs are. I am a Zep, Doors, Who, Pink Floyd, 3DG, BB, Aerosmith, Journey and many more fan.
You could argue rock was mildly important in the development of metal, and certainly the sabbath worshipping doom bands, but for the most part it's definitely not a sub genre.
A sub genre would imply that it's rock, but a specific subsection of rock, which isn't true. Metal is a genre in itself, with it's own subgenres.
Rock is very much a blues based sort of music where you have a central riff as the focus, and typically follows a very safe structure, intro, :verse, bridge chorus:, middle eight, chorus, last chorus.
now whilst there are some metal bands who have structures like that, predominately more traditional metal bands, and I guess in an evolutionary sense, some early speed/thrash bands. But then thrash was also quite influenced by hardcore, which came from punk, which was considered to be two fingers to rock music at the time.
Typically metal bands will have more than one riff, often no chorus, the production is different, typically metal is more distorted, there's a lot more room for atmosphere and soundscapes, it's less routed in blues. A lot of metal has a lot in common with romantic era classical in both the idea of theme and development and genral themes of the music, such as nationalism, love beauty, death etc.
There's different techniques to be found in metal, tremolo picking, blast beats, and the style of riff are also very different.
Unless your only listening to bands who are boarderline rock/metal, there's no way anyone can listen to metal, and think that it's a type of rock.
The thing is Genre's are a collective term for a group of bands that share the same and/or similar features. It's what you use to distinguish Burzum from Public Enemy. But the collective features and sound of metal differ somewhat from from those of Rock, and as such it would make no sense to include metal as a sub genre of rock.
You'll often find metal fans don't really like rock, and vice versa, because it's a different genre, with a different sound.
I can provide examples if you like.
Also Sabbath weren't referred to as metal at the time, it's only something that's seemingly come with hindsight. They seemed to refer to it as Downer Rock at the time (according the master of reality's inside sleeve). But times changed, and what became known as metal was able to trace it's roots back to sabbath, and as such are now considered the first metal band.
I find it funny how we keep segregating everything so we can argue over what it is. You can call it metal or whatever you want, I'll call it rock. CauseAnyway this thread is about rock, so please take the Metal/rock debate to the debate forum or VM.Hot funk, cool punk, even if it's old junk
It's still rock and roll to me.
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We segregate things to differentiate between them. A Genre is a descriptive word, what sense would it make for the same descriptive word to describe two completely different things? The point is further illustrated with sub genres. We differentiate between bands so that we can find something similar to what we like, and when writing/talking about bands we can group them in a collective sort of way.
Here's a few examples of people asking for recommendations to highlight why it is we segregate music into genres and sub genres.
p1: Hi I like rock, please could you recommend me some more
p2: Try Dismember and Walknut.
Odds are in this case, the person isn't going to want that.
p1: Hi I like rock, please could you recommend me some more
p2: are you familiar with the Marshall Tucker Band?
odds are that will go down better.
P1: I'm into doom metal, I really like Skepticism, Ahab and Esoteric, any similar bands?
p2: have you tried the foo fighters? After all they are rock and metal is a subgenre of rock.
That clearly makes no sense. Mainly because they are so different in style, a difference which is reflected in the fact one's metal and one's rock, and furthermore that metal isn't a sub style of rock.
Unless you can provide me with any evidence to the contrary?
If you honestly thing we split music up, merely to argue about it, then your a fool.
You missed what I said, I said "everything" not just music. Here you are getting upset because someone doesn't classify music the same way you do. Is it really that important? Honestly?
Am I really a fool if I don't see the need to categorize everything into little categories? Cause in my eyes, it's foolish to get into an argument over music! There is much more important things to be venting on!
These 'categories', as you call them, exist for a reason.
unless you were just making a general statement of no relevance to the thread.
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And given it's a rock thread, why would the argument relate to anything else?
I'm not trying to insult people, or even tell them they are wrong for the sake of it, I'm merely trying to further educate misconceptions.