All about Hyper Offense [5th Gen]

**Zachmac** · 24th February 2012, 6:41 AM

Originally Posted by MasterKamikaze

So...is Azelf the best Deoxys S replacement? Or is there something better?

Latios can set up screens, then memento to get a sweeper in safely. Doexys-D can set up screens, stealth rock, and taunt, and I hear it does a better job then Azelf at that because of team viewer messing up frail suicide leads. Espeon can set up screens and already has magic bounce.

You don't always have to use the same lead anymore. I've even heard of HO leads that didn't even set up screens.

....Though I've never played HO in my life.

**DarumakkaImposter** · 28th February 2012, 10:05 PM

Originally Posted by Zachmac

Latios can set up screens, then memento to get a sweeper in safely. Doexys-D can set up screens, stealth rock, and taunt, and I hear it does a better job then Azelf at that because of team viewer messing up frail suicide leads. Espeon can set up screens and already has magic bounce.

You don't always have to use the same lead anymore. I've even heard of HO leads that didn't even set up screens.

....Though I've never played HO in my life.

You're right.

I play this kind of HO more often now. http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3461173

**Gamefreak** · 7th March 2012, 12:45 AM

Originally Posted by DarumakkaImposter

You're right.

I play this kind of HO more often now. http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3461173

That is the spike stacking volt/turn hyper offense variant. Instead of setting up sweepers, it just abuses the hell out of momentum and hazards. Then while the team is softened enough, one of the sweepers picks off the rest of their team.

The HO team I have been using in BW OU has actually been Deoxys D | Scarf Salamence | double dance Terrakion | SD Lucario | Bulky Roost SD U-Turn Scizor | DD Nite. I use a lot of priority to beat scarfers easily, while retaining the ability to boost and hit the slower teams hard. I like to use Scarf Salamence because he has like the immediate speed. It also can sweep with dragon STAB and get Moxie boosts late game when the steels are gone.

I didn't use Cloyster because the SR weakness and lack of resists were annoying. Haxorus wasn't used mainly for the lack of room and its unneccesary with my two dragons.

**rckstr** · 14th March 2012, 8:27 AM

So I plan to run

Latios (M) @ Light Clay
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Hardy Nature
- Reflect
- Light Screen
- Memento
- Draco Meteor

Haxorus (F) @ Lum Berry
Trait: Mold Breaker
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Dragon Dance
- Substitute
- Outrage
- Earthquake

Salamence (F) @ Life Orb
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Naughty Nature (+Atk, -SDef)
- Dragon Dance
- Dragon Claw
- Earthquake
- Fire Blast

Terrakion @ Chople Berry
Trait: Justified
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Quick Attack
- Swords Dance
- Close Combat
- Stone Edge

Lucario (F) @ Air Balloon
Trait: Inner Focus
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Swords Dance
- Close Combat
- ExtremeSpeed
- Ice Punch

Suggestions for Pokemon number 6?

**rckstr** · 14th March 2012, 11:16 AM

Okay my final team:

Latios (M) @ Light Clay
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature
- Reflect
- Light Screen
- Memento
- Draco Meteor

Haxorus (F) @ Lum Berry
Trait: Mold Breaker
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Dragon Dance
- Swords Dance
- Outrage
- Earthquake

Salamence (F) @ Yache Berry
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Naughty Nature (+Atk, -SDef)
- Dragon Dance
- Dragon Claw
- Earthquake
- Fire Blast

Lucario (F) @ Air Balloon
Trait: Inner Focus
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Swords Dance
- Close Combat
- ExtremeSpeed
- Ice Punch

Scizor (M) @ Life Orb
Trait: Technician
EVs: 232 HP / 252 Atk / 24 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Swords Dance
- Bullet Punch
- Bug Bite
- Brick Break

Terrakion @ Chople Berry
Trait: Justified
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Rock Polish
- Swords Dance
- Close Combat
- Stone Edge

**Zachmac** · 14th March 2012, 12:18 PM

^All you have to force out Skarmory is Salamence...I don't play HO, though, so I'm not sure how much of a problem that is.

**Metroid** · 17th March 2012, 2:58 PM

My hyper offensive team is-
Latios (M) @ Light Clay
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Draco Meteor
- Reflect
- Light Screen
- Memento

Haxorus (M) @ Lum Berry
Trait: Mold Breaker
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Outrage
- Brick Break
- Dragon Dance
- Earthquake

Salamence (F) @ Life Orb
Trait: Moxie
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SAtk / 252 Spd
Naive Nature (+Spd, -SDef)
- Dragon Dance
- Dragon Claw
- Fire Blast
- Earthquake

Lucario (F) @ Life Orb
Trait: Inner Focus
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Swords Dance
- Close Combat
- ExtremeSpeed
- Crunch

Bisharp (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Defiant
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Swords Dance
- Sucker Punch
- Brick Break
- Substitute

Scrafty (M) @ Life Orb
Trait: Moxie
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Dragon Dance
- Crunch
- Ice Punch
- Hi Jump Kick

**DarumakkaImposter** · 26th March 2012, 12:56 AM

If you guys are going to post teams, post how high you gotten on the ladder. Smogon is preferred but it's not required.

**~~qwertyFlame~~** · 13th April 2012, 12:49 AM

Ehhhh.... I disagree with some parts of the guide. I still think we need both physical and special sweepers. I don't see the point in keeping something out that doesn't even 2hko and allows the Pokemon to recover endlessly while also setting up in the process. Keeping out a Pokemon that doesn't even 2HKO skarmory invites it use roost over an over

**AquaRegisteel** · 13th April 2012, 2:24 PM

However, most people can predict when Skarm will Roost, so they grab a Swords Dance/Dragon Dance boost, and end up 2HKOing the Skarm because they managed to get up to +4.

Same thing applies for Special Sweepers against Chansey. The Lati twins can get past by CMing then using Psyshock, which can end up being an easy 2HKO. If the Lati Twin has Safeguard, you can't stop it by Paralyzing it or Poisoning it.

There was a method back in Gen 4 Ubers where Salamence would be paired with Rayquaza, and because they had similar counters, they could break past them so the other half could sweep the entirety of the foe's team. This is the same logic that is applied to using all physical sweepers or all special sweepers.

**Gamefreak** · 27th May 2012, 3:00 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5Fz7...2&feature=plcp

That video is pretty good.

**rckstr** · 28th July 2012, 2:44 PM

How do you guys build HO teams in bw2

**Phoopes** · 28th July 2012, 5:12 PM

Originally Posted by Rockstar19958

How do you guys build HO teams in bw2

Not really that different. Find a dual screener to lead with that can also set up entry hazards (i.e. Azelf) and load up on sweepers from either side of the spectrum, physical or special. From there, the guide is still pretty up-to-date. Have good offensive synergy and such, and you've got yourself an HO team.

**DarumakkaImposter** · 28th July 2012, 5:14 PM

Gonna try to abuse the Therian formes in the new HO though.

**Gamefreak** · 21st August 2012, 9:05 AM

Spoiler:

Were a couple of good examples of classic generic Heavy Offense in late BW1. The first one being weatherless and the second one being Sand. Azelf or Sash Tar both set rocks or kill something before you go down, while setting up the pace and momentum for your team. It can play without screens. I haven't played BW2 yet, so I am unsure of what would be solid there.

I have more HO teams, but I just wanted to show a couple of more recent examples of the purest form of the playstyle there is. They can be used as a base for one of your own, or you can battle with them. Threatening teams like this can be hard to deal with regardless of metagame changes.

**HyperBeamDreams** · 4th January 2013, 12:52 AM

Seems like this guide hasn't gotten any attention in a while

Is this still a good playstyle?

**HyperBeamDreams** · 4th January 2013, 12:59 AM

I hate SO many of the best hyper offense pokemon are weak to rock

Makes it hard to have good resistances. Every team I make is ends up having 2-3 pokemon weak to rock.

**DarumakkaImposter** · 5th January 2013, 5:43 AM

Originally Posted by HyperBeamDreams

Seems like this guide hasn't gotten any attention in a while

Is this still a good playstyle?

It's as good a playstyle as you make it. Just because it hasn't gotten any attention doesn't mean that it isn't still good.

So, yes, it still can be if you try.

**SlickNash3** · 11th January 2013, 6:28 PM

I actually have a question for the moderator.

Since the Azelf I possess has a horrendous IV spread (because I do not know how to RNG) and I do not want to use it nor try to catch another one in a different game, would Magic Bounce Xatu be a half-way decent replacement as my dual screener?

**DarumakkaImposter** · 11th January 2013, 6:33 PM

In terms of availability, a Xatu would be a "halfway decent" replacement. In addition, you could also try and get an Espeon instead.

**SlickNash3** · 11th January 2013, 6:39 PM

Well I'm trying to build this team for a mix-tier tournament with kind of weird-ish settings. Essentially, 2 OU and then anything else is fair game with all my Pokes being required to hold different items so I am essentially being as super creative as I can. My two OUs I have chosen are Haxorus and Scizor with Hax being my sweeper and Scizor being my mistake eraser with it's priority move.

**DarumakkaImposter** · 11th January 2013, 7:09 PM

Then, yeah, use Xatu.

**SlickNash3** · 11th January 2013, 7:19 PM

Is that the Xatu set or is that a recommended Azelf set? lol

For Xatu, I'm assuming it should be either a Jolly nature with Magic Bounce ability right?

**DarumakkaImposter** · 11th January 2013, 7:43 PM

Oops. I c/p'd the wrong thing

/me kicks me

Here is the Xatu one

Xatu @ Leftovers
Nature: Bold
Trait: Magic Bounce
EVs: 248 HP / 204 Def / 56 Spe
*Reflect
*Light Screen
*U-turn
*Tailwind

**SlickNash3** · 11th January 2013, 8:17 PM

It's all good lol.

Thanks for the help. This tournament I'm preparing for is making me be extra creative here. I like the Xatu set if I go Haxorus, but if I use Espeon then I will be forgoing Haxorus for maybe a Physical Sweeping Zoroark.

Just in case you are curious, the rest of my team is as follows:

Staraptor @ Life Orb
Jolly Nature
Reckless
EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/ 252 Spe
*Roost
*Brave Bird
*Close Combat
*Double-Edge

Kingdra @ Lum Berry
Jolly Nature
Swift Swim
EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/ 252 Spe
*Outrage
*Waterfall
*Substitute
*Dragon Dance

Heracross @Leftovers
Jolly Nature
Guts
EVs: 252 Atk/ 4 Def/ 252 Spe
*Megahorn
*Stone Edge
*Close Combat
*Swords Dance

And last, but certainly not least:
Scizor @ Expert Belt (I am being forced to get creative here since only one item can be used per team)
Adamant Nature
Technician
EVs: 252 HP, 252 Atk, 4 Def
*Bug Bite
*Brick Break
*Bullet Punch
*BSwords Dance

My lead Pokemon will probably force my sweeper to change, so if my lead is Xatu then my sweeper will be Haxorus. If my lead is Espeon, then I am deeming my Zoroark to be a sweeper.

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