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    Quote Originally Posted by CyberCubed View Post
    For the record, Oak said Tracey was, "doing well," and that's about the extent of it in this episode.

    I find it funny they didn't show him though.
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    I'm really disappointed in the way they handled Meowth's betrayal, really. Of course I saw this coming, but I was hoping Meowth would feel at least a little remorse from betraying the group. If Meowth didn't gain any character development from travelling with Ash and co., then it was all a huge waste of time and the writers shouldn't have even bothered with this "story arc".

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueMage View Post
    I'm really disappointed in the way they handled Meowth's relevation, really. Of course I saw this coming, but I was hoping Meowth would feel at least a little remorse from betraying the group. If Meowth didn't gain any character development from travelling with Ash and co., then it was all a huge waste of time and the writers shouldn't have even bothered.
    Of course not. Why would he feel remorse?

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    I was hoping that Meowth travelling with the group for four episodes would at least rub off on him.

    I just thought this was a really cheap and lazy move by the writers. I think we all saw this coming, but Meowth seemed genuinely nice and changed and it was just really cheap for him to suddenly go all "lol fooled ya". Those four episodes of travelling with the group were all for nothing and he didn't learn anything.

    I'm well aware the Pokemon anime isn't known for taking risks, but I was really hoping for something to come out of this and am just really disappointed with the way it played out.
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    I also was hoping for a moment were Meowth could probably screw up for remorse, like when the kids were in danger do something, I'm fine with how it went but the remorse would be cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueMage View Post
    I was hoping that Meowth travelling with the group for four episodes would at least rub off on him.

    I just thought this was a really cheap and lazy move by the writers. I think we all saw this coming, but Meowth seemed genuinely nice and changed and it was just really cheap for him to suddenly go all "lol fooled ya". Those four episodes of travelling with the group were all for nothing and he didn't learn anything.

    I'm well aware the Pokemon anime isn't known for taking risks, but I was really hoping for something to come out of this and am just really disappointed with the way it played out.
    I know. Everyone knew this was coming, so the writers could have tried to add more too it. This just seemed so underdeveloped and exactly what we were expecting.

    Also quick question, is this going to become one of those things that is never spoken of or mentioned again?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azvee View Post
    I know. Everyone knew this was coming, so the writers could have tried to add more too it. This just seemed so underdeveloped and exactly what we were expecting.

    Also quick question, is this going to become one of those things that is never spoken of or mentioned again?
    Why would it? I bet the little kiddos believe it, a lot of grown *** men and women belive it here in the forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayzee
    I know. Everyone knew this was coming, so the writers could have tried to add more too it. This just seemed so underdeveloped and exactly what we were expecting.

    Also quick question, is this going to become one of those things that is never spoken of or mentioned again?
    Sure is looking like it. Ash and co. are going to go back to being enemies with Meowth and pretend like Meowth never traveled with them or pretended to be their friend.

    It's just so utterly pointless. It's obvious people weren't going to buy the whole thing, so the least they could have done is at least surprise us. Have Meowth rejoin Team Rocket, but at least let him feel some sort of sympathy for the twerps. Or at least be more emotional and reluctant about joining back.
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    -Today...the Subway Masters are on high alert! TR is messing around with a train! And the announcer is...oh wait, this is a recap of the Subway Master scenes from past eps/preview of these eps.
    -The twerps are finally at Nimbasa City! Now the forums will have to find something new to complain about!
    -The twerps are excited...but Meowth is tired. And I think he just asked to be taken to the Pokemon Center? Well, whatever he asked, Iris volunteered Ash to do it.
    -Ash argues, but then his stomach growls, leading to the usual Iris mockery. And Dento...is REALLY EXCITED to go. Why is that? Well...he leads everyone directly to the subway!
    -Ash is still grumpy about being led to neither food nor a gym battle, but Dento is just so excited because TRAINSTRAINSTRAINSOMGTRAINS they can ride the train to the Pokemon Center.
    -And for the first time, Iris calls Dento a kid. ...kind of hard to argue against that, when Dento's getting all hyper because TRAAAAIIIINSSSS he's a Metro Sommelier(no, not THAT kind of metro. Although I guess he technically would qualify as that other kind...).
    -Since when does Dento have a camera? Or is he SO GODDAMNED EXCITED ABOUT TRAINS that he materialized one from nowhere?
    -OH GOD THAT FACE
    -OH GOD THAT OTHER FACE
    -IT'S SUBWAY TIME!
    -IT'S ALSO I SHOULD STOP TYPING IN ALL CAPS TIME!
    -Iris continues to be less-than-amused at Dento's antics. And...well, I AM amused by them, but then again, I'm not the one who has to deal with a...grown man? teenager? How old is Dento anyway?...spazzing out over trains.
    -Dento starts sperging out about trains(complete with conductor hat!), which really just confuses Ash and Iris further.
    -Haha, even ASH looks like he's had enough of Dento's obsessive bullshit.
    -Dento is STILL going on and on about trains, but Ash is hungry dammit.
    -And then Meowth drags Dento away while Dento basically goes BUT TRAAAAIIIIINNNSSSS 8(.
    -...did they just use an outline of Dento's bowtie as a scene transition?
    -Now that everyone's actually on the train...well...um...uh...yeah.
    -Haha, a little kid is pointing at Dento while her mom(and some other random woman) stare nervously at the strange man who's way too excited to be on a subway train. And Iris is just plain embarassed.
    -Ash finally gets a peek at what Dento was looking at...it's apparently a computer controller for the subway train!
    -I'm pretty sure this episode is going to teach people more than they ever wanted to know about subway trains, all because of Dento.
    -OH GOD A BEEPING ERROR MESSAGE THEY'RE ALL GOING TO DIE.
    -Or the train might just come to a stop. And why? Because they were about to hit another train!
    -Dento wonders how that happened, but Iris and Ash have a more pressing concern...a pair of lights is heading towards them! (Thankfully, not at train speed) It's...the Subway Masters! And Dento knows their names!
    -The train gets running again and they all get to the station. Afterwards, Dento talks to the Subway Masters...who seem to recognize him as the Metro Sommelier Dento! Wait, does this mean his various Sommelier things are actual things and not just him liking something so much he decides to stick a "Sommelier" after it?
    -...and did Dento just mention a subway convention? Oh god, he did. How many people can care that much about trains?!
    -All three of the subway geeks chat about the ghost train, and Dento...gets fired up with rage! So much so that Meowth drags him away!
    -And they finally get to the Pokemon Center, which...well, it's a nice, big Pokemon Center for a nice, big city.
    -All their Pokemon(and Meowth!) get carted off to be looked after, and now it's lunch time!
    -Meanwhile, Meowth hops off the cart to use the phone...I think we can all tell where this is headed.
    -Yup, he's calling Seger.
    -Back with the twerps...Ash suddenly decides to call Oak. (offscreen, without any viewers seeing or hearing, Delia sobs as her son only ever remembers to call Oak and never his own mother)
    -Apparently the Pokemon Center is so high-security that it scans the pawprints & bodies of the Audino to open the doors!
    -Ash calls up Oak, and all's well and...the call cuts off?
    -Meanwhile, the Driftveil Drawbridge's controls go haywire, causing the bridge to raise! I...hope nobody was crossing the bit that actually raises up it when that happened.
    -And in the pokeball storage area of the Center...Meowth is stealing EVERYTHING. Including Pikachu and Axew!
    -The twerps find out about the drawbridge from Nurse Joy, and Dento starts putting the pieces together. He...realizes they should check on the Pokemon!
    -And just as he does that, Meowth finishes up his heist and makes his escape.
    -Dento doesn't take long to find the vent everything got taken through. Naturally, the twerps give chase!
    -And Meowth reunites with Jessie and James. Welp, we're definitely gonna hear a LOT of bickering about that for a while...
    -The Subway Twins are back at their control center, but everything is going nuts! Graphs and rapidly scrolling text are popping up everywhere!
    -The twerps reach the end of the vent, and make a...very...graceful...landing.
    -Blah blah blah Meowth reveals that he was tricking the twerps blah.
    -Goddamn it's been a long time since we've had a motto.
    -Jessie is polite enough to have Woobat fire Air Slash at the twerps(causing them to dodge off the rails) before the train starts moving again. Though the twerps getting ran over by a train would certainly be an interesting way to add drama...
    -The twerps give chase, but Ash...trips. Oh, Ash. Too bad they don't have anyone around who's good at running around train tracks. That seems like a useful skill to master in a subway.
    -...and the twerps go straight to the control room. I'd ask how they knew where it was, but I'm guessing that was all Dento's doing.
    -The twins seem to have pinned down a D3 point as important. And they agree to bring along deadweight the twerps, since the twerps REALLY WANT TO HELP.
    -They all find some sort of mini-subway car, and Dento is all too happy to hop on as the conductor(complete with hat!). And Ingo hands him a tiny map showing where to go.
    -Catching up to TR was easy enough...now to get the Pokemon back. While nobody on board HAS any Pokemon. Why didn't either of the Subway Masters come with them, again?
    -Okay, that was one HELL of a jump. And that train is...oddly...squishy...
    -And then it blows up and expels purple gas. Oops.
    -...ahahaha, did they seriously blow up the fake train that was supposed to stop TR's train? GOOD GOING, ASH.
    -TR's train passes through D3, and...then the subway tracking system shows them splitting into several trains?!


    Pretty fun episode, although it was pretty much pure set-up for the second half of this two-parter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AgentPierce View Post
    It was a lie. It was ALWAYS a lie.
    I knew after I put that, Jessie and James were glitching the station until Ash, Iris, Dent and Moewth got their. Then Meowth changed

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    Decent for the first half of the episode Meowth betraying Ash and co. no shock there but nice touch with Meowth being the inside man(pokemon) and decoy trains. Also nice to see Prof. Oak again and awesome to hear Tracey mention and Dento just don't ever stop being unique.
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    Anyone notice that this particular pokemon center looks exactly like the ones in black and white complete with the pokeball on the floor, the second story, and the counter to the right?
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    What a calculated plot that was! Team Rocket is now thinking far ahead

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    Wait a minute... a few things occurred to me.

    1. Cilan and Iris acted as if they met Oak already, so maybe they were supposed to meet him via phone or something during TP vs TR.
    2. Tracey was going to give Ash advice on who to use for his Nimbasa Gym match.... but how does Tracey know Ash's Unovian pokemon? Unless he was going to tell him to use some old pokemon like Torterra.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tails_Sliat View Post
    Wait a minute... a few things occurred to me.

    1. Cilan and Iris acted as if they met Oak already, so maybe they were supposed to meet him via phone or something during TP vs TR.
    2. Tracey was going to give Ash advice on who to use for his Nimbasa Gym match.... but how does Tracey know Ash's Unovian pokemon? Unless he was going to tell him to use some old pokemon like Torterra.
    1. They may not have interacted with him before, maybe Ash has just told them about Professor Oak.
    2. Ash could be keeping Prof Oak and Tracey informed about the Pokemon he has caught up to date even if he is sending them to Professor Juniper. I'd imagine they'd love to know about the Unova region Pokemon.

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    I found it funny how Team Rocket purposely did all that crap with the bridge and connections in order to distract the police...and it worked, until Dento had to come and figure out their plan in about 5 seconds.

    Oh gosh, Professor Oak. I thought Ash was joking or something but he actually called him. Too bad we didn't get a glimpse of Tracey. Part of me was hoping Ash would end up transferring one of his old Pokemon before the line was cut off, seeing as how all his on-hand Unova ones were stolen...yes, it was the irrational and fangirly side.

    I honestly think Meowth's betrayal could've been handled better. It would've been more interesting if he stole the pokeballs in the Pokemon centre off screen, then pretended to be kidnapped too when Ash and co found him in the subway. If they took that route then we would've been able to watch him helping them try to stop Team Rocket and seemingly hating what Jessie and Jame are doing, just to betray and reveal the truth in the end. It would've certainly made the whole thing less obvious.

    Anyway, great episode. Other than Meowth's poorly handled betrayal, I really enjoyed it. Usually the thing that bothers me about slow beginnings is that the end tends to be rushed, but even though the first half of this episode moved slowly the second half felt fine. So no complaints about that here.
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    I knew it!! I knew Meowth couldn't be trusted!!

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    The dub just premiered in the UK, even though there wasnt much action pokemon wise I still really enjoyed it the way it showcased how nimbasa worked and the art work of the city. Even the whole ghost train storyline didnt feel strange it felt well planned out. Only downside I could see was Cillian being another type of conisure which is really getting erritating now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Venusaur Master View Post
    Only downside I could see was Cillian being another type of connoisseur which is really getting irritating now.
    It was hilarious seeing him go all fanboy over the train system.

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    lol! Cilan really made me laugh in this episode. Meowth you backstabbing traitor!!!

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    Wait, this episode aired in the US? I thought it was only gonna air next Saturday

    edit: Oh never mind, it aired in the UK. Hopefully I can find it on youtube.

    edit2: So this episode IS called Crisis from the Underground Up... I thought it was changed to "To Catch a Ghost Train"

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    Wait a minute? Meowth was only acting to be the Twerps' friends so he could steal the pokemon and give them back to team rocket?

    Quality writing there!

    Anyway, why don't Jessie & James just catch their own pokemon? Are they too dense to realize that Giovanni could care less about them?


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    Is it me or are TR as sinister as Magma Aqua and Galatic now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by iraqmaster View Post
    Wait a minute? Meowth was only acting to be the Twerps' friends so he could steal the pokemon and give them back to team rocket?

    Quality writing there!

    Anyway, why don't Jessie & James just catch their own pokemon? Are they too dense to realize that Giovanni could care less about them?
    Maybe it's the first step of a much larger plan. Depending on what happened in those skipped episodes, we could see Team Rocket trying to infiltrate the Unova Region. What better way to infiltrate and not draw attention to yourself than to live like the natives? In Pokémon, that means using Unova Pokémon. For all we know, there could be a lot of starter Pokémon among the stolen Pokémon, not just Ash's. If that's the case, then Team Rocket could give a starter to each grunt and have them infiltrate the region and try to find out what's going on. They could scout out the region, find important landmarks, powerful Legendary Pokémon, even strong normal Pokémon, etcetera. And if they encounter Team Plasma, they can fight them without revealing the fact that they're Team Rocket. To me, stealing the Pokémon from the Nimbasa Pokémon Center could merely be the tip of the iceberg regarding Team Rocket's long term goals.
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    It turns out Meowth was going undercover so Team Rocket can steal all of the Pokemon from the Pokemon Center. Will Ash and friends get the Pokemon back. Can't wait to see how this turns out.

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