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    Quote Originally Posted by Demonsead View Post
    ...any basic Pokemon can be OHKO'd, that's a terrible example.
    I'm making referance to Elesa's Tynamo, thought this was obvious. The writers are making it one of her strongest pokemon. There's nothing wrong with a Darmanitan beating an Oshawott.

    Besides, you're using the games as an example, and that's worse.

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    I only have one thing to say about this episode - Flame Charge rape


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    Man, judging by the comments I thought this episode would suck.


    But it turned our really enjoyable.

    As much of a dick Belle's father was, he was amusing as well as his hilarious ninja outfit. The music theme was truly fitting to his appearance, it was awesome. And although I do wish they'd make Belle a but more competent I think she should have won. How many freaking hits did Elesa's Zebstrika get and did not even faint? I enjoyed the Belle VS Elesa battle, despite her loss.

    But what I loved the most was when Iris and Dento convinced Belle's father that her journey wasn't a waste, she had a lot of fun and made new friends. Ash was enjoyable as well, I loved his reckless self in the episode, makes me remember the good old Kanto days. Overall, the characters in this episode had a fine chemistry.

    Bonus points go to animators for bothering to draw Elesa in more outfits making her an actual model like in the games. I loved that!

    Overall, an awesome episode. I need to stop judging the episodes before I watch them myself. <_<


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    Man, compared to the suckitude that was Satoshi's gym battle, this was really good. I was really rooting for Bel near the end, but alas, it wasn't to be.

    I also kept thinking "Man, this guy sounds just like Giovanni" and apparently, the same guy voices him!

    Quote Originally Posted by Juputoru View Post
    A pretty solid episode, though "oh by the way Bianca's dad is a powerful trainer" thing pretty much came out of nowhere. It also make me wonder why he's so against Bianca traveling; sure, she's a ditz, but I doubt he got that good without doing a bit of traveling himself. You'd think he could see the value in a Pokemon journey before Bianca's friends gave him a sappy story about their time together.
    Considering that he basically emotionally abuses his child and wife in the games, it's a nice way of painting over it and giving him a somewhat justifiable motivation for wanting to keep Bel at home.
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    HEY HEY HEY, who would have though Belle father WAS a traveling trainer as a kid, haha.

    Her Father wants her to travel but is still not sure of her maturity apparently, he says traveling and training pokemons is good for her to grow but she is clumsy and not ready in his opinion apparently, he wants her to become more calm and mature with a better judgement before traveling.

    Lol Satoshi hears that and seems convinced Xd, Iris says you tried to convince him not to let her go but he ended up convincing you.

    Dent suggest a pokemon battle since Belle father was also a trainer as a kid.

    Belle father is the one that asks him to go back to Masaro Town if he loses, its not Satoshi that offers to do that but he accepts it, since Belle father says if you have that kinda of confidence you can do anything, he baited the poor kid XD, then said he has guts to be facing him.

    Lol apparently Belle dad was called "Red Shooting Star" when he was younger, calls his Hihidaruma Red Flash, Iris notes that her father personality seems to have changed lol, Belle says he is like that when he is doing battles, AGAIN points to him being a good trainer.

    Dent says he is has a powerfull taste,

    Belle Father asks why, he is risking his journey to help Belle, after Belle asks Satoshi to stop fightning so he doesn't have to go back to Masaro, says they are strangers with each other afterall and why should he care if she continues to travel or goes home.

    Satoshi answers saying, no, she is our friend, says that they might not be traveling together but they have meet numerous times and even entered in the same tournament, then the kids start talking about their adventures with Belle, at the end of all the compliments, Satoshi says yeah she is our friend, which makes Belle father smiles(seems like his heart has been move by the kids speech), he ends the battle.

    Iris points out that Satoshi has to go back home now, Belle father says that won't be necessary, that even though in traveling there might be many dangers, what they told him made him remember all the joys that come with it too, he then compliments Satoshi saying he will become much stronger, tells Belle to also continue traveling and together with her friends she will eventually become stronger too.

    Belle says she will make sure, she will become stronger, then says she is going back to train in Resort Dessert says goodbye and rushes off in typical Belle fashion
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bliksem View Post
    Bad trainers are bad. I'm amazed that there was such anger being directed that Bianca lost. She was never a good trainer in the game, why would you expect the anime to be any different?
    Then again, she WAS speculated to be the Champion and she has a slightly better team than Cheren, who thinks that his Liepard and Unfezant will earn him Alder's respect.

    BTW, looking over the manga it appears that Bianca's dad is a midget compared to the fabulous giant we got here, so how do you think they'll take care of things in that medium? Remember that Adventures is the actual fan experience and not just used to promote the games unlike the anime, so I think they'll put an interesting spin on things once it happens.


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    So as of this episode Bianca is training at the Desert Resort.



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    You know, Mijumaru's battle reminded me of something. What ever happened to the speed that it had gained in the episode it lost its shell? I mean was that a one time only thing or something because it hasn't shown up since and definitely wasn't here.

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    Honestly the only reason i hated this episode is because it's ANOTHER Ash loses a fight episodes. Really? The kid has four years under his belt! As Ash he really shouldn't be losing as much as he always does.
    Oshwatt i hope he ends up the quiet strong but protective type when he is a samurott.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joelerz View Post
    Honestly the only reason i hated this episode is because it's ANOTHER Ash loses a fight episodes. Really? The kid has four years under his belt! As Ash he really shouldn't be losing as much as he always does.
    Oshwatt i hope he ends up the quiet strong but protective type when he is a samurott.
    This loss was perfectly justified since his opponent was Bianca's father who we can only assume has much more experience than Ash. I mean the man's been a trainer since he was a kid :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by gohan5 View Post
    This loss was perfectly justified since his opponent was Bianca's father who we can only assume has much more experience than Ash. I mean the man's been a trainer since he was a kid :P
    Ash has been a trainer since he was a kid too. :P


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    Quote Originally Posted by Thing View Post
    I'm making referance to Elesa's Tynamo, thought this was obvious. The writers are making it one of her strongest pokemon. There's nothing wrong with a Darmanitan beating an Oshawott.

    Besides, you're using the games as an example, and that's worse.
    True. I know this is off topic but I had my Pokemon on level 30 and I was attacked by a Darmanitan in the wild and still took damage. Some Pokemon in the games are just made for that stuff.

    On topic: I liked how Ash tried to futher his friendship with Bianca hopefully she will learn to do better for herself. Plus, Ash need to really train the otter before it battles again. Even though Oshawott is cute, it's losing streak is catching up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joelerz View Post
    Honestly the only reason i hated this episode is because it's ANOTHER Ash loses a fight episodes. Really? The kid has four years under his belt! As Ash he really shouldn't be losing as much as he always does.
    Oshwatt i hope he ends up the quiet strong but protective type when he is a samurott.
    Four years? Ash is still 10...he doesn't even have one year. Plus it's not like he's had Oshawott for those "four" years. Oshawott still has a longs way to go, where as Bianca's dad's Darmanitan probably was with him from the very start of his journey. Plus Ash isn't suppose to be this unstoppable battling machine, the writers want him to lose so he can get stronger over time. Losing isn't the end of the world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gliscor&yanmega View Post
    Four years? Ash is still 10...he doesn't even have one year. Plus it's not like he's had Oshawott for those "four" years. Oshawott still has a longs way to go, where as Bianca's dad's Darmanitan probably was with him from the very start of his journey. Plus Ash isn't suppose to be this unstoppable battling machine, the writers want him to lose so he can get stronger over time. Losing isn't the end of the world.
    Lol...in a way it's kind of funny when you think about Ash having "four years" under his belt. When you think about it it's really not too much ^^; (especially seeing as how he never ages) I mean people like the Champions (and other people) had several years to perfect their skill and become older and wiser. Ash still has a long way to go.

    And besides that I think it would have been stupid for the writers to have Bianca stay because Ash beat her father. The friendship of the plot would have been sapped out and I just don't feel that would have been right. (Instead of going by friendship being the moral it would have been down to raw power) I mean, this is a kid's show and they need to have some sort of lesson even if it sounds a bit cheesy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 00poke_maniac View Post
    Lol...in a way it's kind of funny when you think about Ash having "four years" under his belt. When you think about it it's really not too much ^^; (especially seeing as how he never ages) I mean people like the Champions (and other people) had several years to perfect their skill and become older and wiser. Ash still has a long way to go.

    And besides that I think it would have been stupid for the writers to have Bianca stay because Ash beat her father. The friendship of the plot would have been sapped out and I just don't feel that would have been right. (Instead of going by friendship being the moral it would have been down to raw power) I mean, this is a kid's show and they need to have some sort of lesson even if it sounds a bit cheesy.
    Exactly, maybe in 20 years(When Ash is still 10) Ash will become more like Cynthia and Alder, but right now he's still learning. Losing to Bianca's father is hardly a bad thing, they guy had plenty of experience during his travels plus it's not like Ash has had Oshawott for that long.

    I do prefer how they did it over Ash beating her father, although I would have preferred Bianca winning her gym match even more(Can still through in the friendship thing somehow). It was nice how they did it still, in my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gliscor&yanmega View Post
    Exactly, maybe in 20 years(When Ash is still 10) Ash will become more like Cynthia and Alder, but right now he's still learning. Losing to Bianca's father is hardly a bad thing, they guy had plenty of experience during his travels plus it's not like Ash has had Oshawott for that long.
    Unless, we're supposed to forget everything that's happened..are we suppose to believe Kanto, Hoenn, the Battle Frontier, and Sinnoh all happened in one yer? There's really no reason for him to be losing as much as he is this season. Where are those skills this season he learned from the past? He seems like he has to re-improve to the level he was in Hoenn, and Sinnoh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Graham Aker View Post
    Unless, we're supposed to forget everything that's happened..are we suppose to believe Kanto, Hoenn, the Battle Frontier, and Sinnoh all happened in one year? There's really no reason for him to be losing as much as he is this season.
    He's still 10, regardless of why the writers did it, or however unbelievable, he's still 10 and that's all there is to it. Everything he did was done in less then a year.

    He has new Pokemon(Besides Pikachu), he's using. Just because he's been around all over doesn't mean his Pokemon automatically become super powered buffed up Pokemon that can't lose. Plus it's not like there isn't other trainers out there who have been around all over as well and even if they haven't they still could have a lot more experience then Ash especially with their own Pokemon. Ash isn't invincible, he's going to use and he's going to get stronger from it.

    But this isn't really the place to start discussing the battles Ash has lost and all that.
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    I don't see what's so bad about Oshawott losing this one battle, he's not a Samurott yet, so this one loss is fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Graham Aker
    Unless, we're supposed to forget everything that's happened..are we suppose to believe Kanto, Hoenn, the Battle Frontier, and Sinnoh all happened in one yer? There's really no reason for him to be losing as much as he is this season. Where are those skills this season he learned from the past? He seems like he has to re-improve to the level he was in Hoenn, and Sinnoh.
    Oshawott fainting in an Aqua Jet vs. Flare Blitz clash because he wasn't strong enough to endure it is barely Ash's fault. Despite the skill of the trainer, you'd still lose a lot when people keep throwing level 50 pokemon at your at most level 30 Oshawott. I know levels are ignored a lot in the anime but that's more an analogy than anything.

    Parts I liked:

    - Elesa. And her Zebstrika pwns.

    - I actually liked how they made Bianca lose in a non-redeeming way. I was scared for a second that Pokemon was going to pull one of those cliches where Bianca loses but her father is inspired by her battling and changes his mind or something. And really? Pignite didn't need a tie. He put up a fight, and that was fields better than her other Pokemon.

    - Bianca watching Ash battle and realizing how much of a better trainer he is than her. Come on, she's his rival...and a breath of fresh air after the storm that was Paul.

    - Iris and Dent's faces when the dad turned power ranger on them.

    Parts I didn't like:

    - Zebstrika dodged Swift. wtf?

    - Would've been nice to see Ash and Bianca's dad using more strategy during their match. Instead they just call out random attacks. Yeah, the fight itself was disappointing since it didn't separate their skills from her's.

    - The whole thing with her dad was basically solved in one episode. I would've enjoyed it a lot more if he became a recurring antagonist who continued trying to convince her to come home after losing to Ash. Kind of a waste if you ask me.

    - What's with Iris having to convince Ash to actually do something to help? I was expecting him to jump in but it almost seemed like he didn't care until the end.

    - Bianca's dad just had to be a softie and civil so then the show could stay G rated, didn't it? It's nice to have an insane mad man who throws things and yells at everyone but we didn't get it here. Too bad.

    - The amount of fanboy bashing this ep's probably induced.

    And I'm on the edge on what to feel about Ash losing. I sort of hated it because it completely confirms Bianca's dad as an unimportant character. Not to mention shot Ash down for the trillionth time in a row (seriously, why's this boy still trying?). Yet I liked it because it was unexpected and showed how "the power of friendship~" doesn't equal a win. Even in Pokemon.

    As for people complaining about the Ash/Bianca curbstomp? It was different. I like how they're taking a mediocre lesson and going about it in a non-overdone way. The message of this was less that working hard meant nothing because people would keep pushing you down, but more that the characters and their spirit to travel with pokemon are more important than battles and how many you actually win. That's probably what the writers were getting at.

    Also:
    People need to stop spoiling the future episodes in this thread. It's really annoying.
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    I can't believe it. Just as they finally made it to Nimbasa City, Cartoon Network decides to air reruns! Why in heck would they do that!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Munchlax View Post
    I can't believe it. Just as they finally made it to Nimbasa City, Cartoon Network decides to air reruns! Why in heck would they do that!!!
    http://www.cartoonnetwork.com/schedu...ink_tvschedule
    im guessing that last episode was the last one of the season...but yeah, i dont understand why they must always do this. it surprised me when they played the black and white season right after they finished diamond and pearl, but they just had to go back to their month breaks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersonicbro View Post
    im guessing that last episode was the last one of the season...but yeah, i dont understand why they must always do this. it surprised me when they played the black and white season right after they finished diamond and pearl, but they just had to go back to their month breaks!
    I just hope it doesn't take SEVERAL months
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Munchlax View Post
    I just hope it doesn't take SEVERAL months
    most likely it will come back around feb/march they did this before, i just dont see why.
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    As I recall Bianca loses pretty bad

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usatoday View Post
    As I recall Bianca loses pretty bad
    I know. It was awesome, right?

    I enjoyed seeing Bianca getting curb stomped.

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