Stoutland Discussion

[Ilan]

To mods: I started the topic a week ago sent a PM to a mod didn't got an answer 24 hours so yeah I open a new one.

Now Excadrill is banned we can be almost sure it be raplased by another sand rusher I think it is Stouland it is weaker Excadrill but it still work only if people would notice him oh well.


stats:
HP:85
Attack:100
Defense: 90
Sp.Attack:45
Sp.Defense: 90
Speed: 80

abilities:
Intimidate: an awesome ability can be used in stall set I guess doe to his nice bulk (85/90/90)

Sand Rush: excadrill ability, pure awesomeness.

hidden ability:
Scrappy: when no in a sand team pretty useful for offensive it can hit ghosts.


@Choice band-sand rusher
abillity: sand rush
EV:252 attack, 252 speed, 4 HP
nature: Adamanst (+ ATK - SP.ATK)
Return
Crunch
Wild charge
Fire Fang

518 speed under the sand and 492 attack.
a set made of all his strong attacks return is his main STAB it makes him a beast, crunch for hitting ghosts who think they can wall you.
Wild charge is a strong attack Stoutland get access to.
Fire fang is for steels.

great revenge killer.
If you want to switch moves put him a life orb instead but you lose precious power you can also put work up instead of fire fang or wild charge but I won't recommend it.

another set but this time for UU:
@life orb
ability:Scrapy
EV: 252 attack, 252 speed, 4HP
nature: Jolly
Work up
Return
Fire fang
Wild charge

no need for crunch in this set pretty simple set up and sweep in the UU enviroment where 80 speed is average.

A special or mixed set is useless in my opinion...

well I hope it will create a discussion

[mycooly]

Stoutland is pretty weak to champy.
and regi steel in uu

[PokeMaster366]

I suppose that Stoutland can work as a bulkier variant w/ Max HP and Atk. I can see Stoutland moving up to UU (is he there? I can't remember.) or OU as Excadrill's replacement since he got the boot into Ubers.

[LinksOcarina]

I suppose that Stoutland can work as a bulkier variant w/ Max HP and Atk. I can see Stoutland moving up to UU (is he there? I can't remember.) or OU as Excadrill's replacement since he got the boot into Ubers.

I'm doubting OU. It is too frail to stand up to guys like Conkeldurr, which will literally punch holes in the defense, and can't match the raw power to take down walls, even in the sand.

At best it might get a UU boost, but even then I only forsee use on UU sandstorm teams with Hippowdon.

[redlongmagnet]

Stoutland is pretty weak to champy.
and regi steel in uu

He has fire fang to deal with Regi who is usually Specially defensive. I do not think Stoutland will make a debut in OU. He is a really good with revenge killer with choice band. He has access to pursuit to trap the likes of Alakazam and Chandelure. With a LO he can effectively sweep without switching numerous times, however this greatly decreases his longevity due to the fact that he is now taking LO and Sand damage. He won't replace excadrill if anything Sandslash will when he gets his DW ability released.

Btw everyone Stoutland is UU already.

[Ilan]

He has fire fang to deal with Regi who is usually Specially defensive. I do not think Stoutland will make a debut in OU. He is a really good with revenge killer with choice band. He has access to pursuit to trap the likes of Alakazam and Chandelure. With a LO he can effectively sweep without switching numerous times, however this greatly decreases his longevity due to the fact that he is now taking LO and Sand damage. He won't replace excadrill if anything Sandslash will when he gets his DW ability released.

Btw everyone Stoutland is UU already.

Actually with sand rush he doesn't take sand damage.

Sandslash got better movepool, but he is less specially bulky than stoutland and his max speed is 502 with jolly, and 454 with adamant, it is big difference between him and stouland which have 518 speed with adamant.

yeah stoutland movepool is lacking comparing to Sandslash but Sandslash is gen 1 and Stoutland is gen 5 he got less modifications to his movepool.
Most of gen 5 pokemon have lacking movepool was the same for gen 4 till platinum came out.

Anyway Stoutland have better defenses than Excadrill but less HP...

anyway choice band is more viable in my opinion due to the base 100 attack he needs more to wreak avoc in UU and OU so the choice band seems good on him.
I am not sure if he can survive conkeldurr mach punch can someone do the calculations?

[The Imposter]

I'm surprised nobody's posted the revenge killer set.

Stoutland @ Choice Band/Life Orb/Expert Belt
Sand Rush
252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
Retaliate
Return
Pursuit
Fire Fang/Crunch

Comes in after a kill and KOs the killer with Retaliate. Return is STAB when not after a KO. Pursuit is for people who switch into something to take the Retaliate and get the original target owned. Fire Fang is coverage, while Crunch is for Gjosts who stay in.

[Swagga09]

He's very underrated.

I used this set before and he rocked alot of people's world.


Stoutland @ Choice Band
Sand Rush
-Adamant
252 Attack/252 Speed/4HP
-Retaliate
-Ice Fang
-Fire Fang
-Wild Charge

Send this guy out after your opponet knocks out your pokemon. Then use Retaliate, and he ohko's. He's a great revenge killer. This set only works in the sand though

[ParaChomp]

Decent defences, speed, attack. With Hippowdon in UU, I can see Stoutland being used.

[Zachmac]

I never used it, doesn't have coverage. It has crunch to hit ghost, though. It also has the fang form of the boltbeam, and fire fang to hit steel types, but 65 power each....

I wouldn't suggest it without a effective way of removing steels.

[Ilan]

I never used it, doesn't have coverage. It has crunch to hit ghost, though. It also has the fang form of the boltbeam, and fire fang to hit steel types, but 65 power each....

I wouldn't suggest it without a effective way of removing steels.

It have wild charge for neutral coverage on some steels (AKA skarmory) fire fang for scizor (he survived a bullet punch from scizor) and Ferrothorn 0HKO with fire fang, just wait till "grey", like most of gen 5 pokemons he lacks coverage moves. He will get those eventually in "grey" or at least I hope so....

He have rock smash to kill tyranitar (but I guess wild charge is so much better on this)m
He can be a great last resort pokemon to do HUGE damage on everything including ghost thanks to his ability (I mean in none sand variation).

here is last resort set on UU:
Best choice set EVER!
@choice scarf/choice band
ability:Scrappy
EV: 252 speed, 252 attack,4 HP
nature:adamant
-Last Resort
-nothing
-nothing
-nothing

Sure he doesn't have fake out but he got greater power and scrappy so that's make it slightly better choice than ambipom on last resort set.

[Zachmac]

^Rock smash will only have 120 power on T-tar. Not bad, but considering it's bulk....It'll still take a large dent from scizor because of bullet punch. Ferrothorns ability+Sand storm will also where it down. Wild charge will have recoil, which, again, stacks on sandstorm damage.

Last resort doesn't work unless it has at least two moves, IIRC.

I hope it does get a good fighting, fire, or ground type move, though, I do want to use one competitively, though, I really liked it in-game.

[irock245]

he said UU.

[Zachmac]

he said UU.

Well, I never said it was bad in UU. I was just saying it needs better coverage.

[Aquadon]

here is last resort set on UU:
Best choice set EVER!
@choice scarf/choice band
ability:Scrappy
EV: 252 speed, 252 attack,4 HP
nature:adamant
-Last Resort

This move cannot be used if it is the user's only move; however, it can be used with only one other move.

Yeah, there's a reason that doesn't work. Pretty much he's delegated to a fairly reliable Revenge Killer. Fire Fang is almost required on him for Steels, and Return is pretty Awesome STAB. Other than that, his movepool is fairly shallow (Wild Charge, Ice Fang, and Crunch being the other 3 good moves; MAYBE Pursuit).

[Ilan]

just wish he was normal/ground that's would be pretty cool- no sand damage, get's earthquake for sure, unique type... oh well.
also it is weird it doesn't get earthquake... smaller pokemons get it and he is called stoutLAND I think it remarks his size... (he might have it added to him like eruption was added to typhlotion movepool in SS/HG).

ok so the "last resort set didn't work I was hoping it was legit but guess it is ambipom's job.

he is great on UU though he have harder time in OU but he is still good there, not like the fabled ex.cadrill, but still have it's niche on his more defensive stats.

BTW name ONE gen 5 pokemon who doesn't have a shallow movepool.

[Zachmac]

I'm not saying it's bad for being shallow, or that it's bad at all, I just said it needs better coverage, which is it's main drawback.

In the sandstorm, it's got good attack, nice bulk, and good speed, making it's stats all around great.

I'd love to see it get swords dance and EQ.

also it is weird it doesn't get earthquake... smaller pokemons get it and he is called stoutLAND I think it remarks his size... (he might have it added to him like eruption was added to typhlotion movepool in SS/HG).

I think it's because most of that "fat" is actually fur.

[LinksOcarina]

Cryogonal...

although it's movepool is all over the place which makes it look shallow.

[The Imposter]

just wish he was normal/ground that's would be pretty cool- no sand damage, get's earthquake for sure, unique type... oh well.
also it is weird it doesn't get earthquake... smaller pokemons get it and he is called stoutLAND I think it remarks his size... (he might have it added to him like eruption was added to typhlotion movepool in SS/HG).

ok so the "last resort set didn't work I was hoping it was legit but guess it is ambipom's job.

he is great on UU though he have harder time in OU but he is still good there, not like the fabled ex.cadrill, but still have it's niche on his more defensive stats.

BTW name ONE gen 5 pokemon who doesn't have a shallow movepool.

Virizion. Access to Giga Drain, Focus Blast, Leaf Blade, Close Combat, Swords Dance, Calm Mind, Stone Edge, and Sacred Sword make it quite versatile.

[Zachmac]

Leftovers would be a good item for it, healing off sandstorm damage. It's also got nice bulk.