But Toffee showed me ad my family how wrong we were. We certainly didn't ever mistreat her or incourage her to be violent. And yet she grew to become just that. Of course it was our fault for adopting a dog of a "difficult" breed. But that's just why certain breeds are considered dangereus in the first place. Not just because of how badly they can injure someone, but also because most of them are just genetically predisposed to show aggressive behaviour.
Unfortunately, we had to learn that the hard way.
But saying that most dogs of, say, fighting breeds are -yes- genetically more predisposed to be violent isn't bias, it's fact. If they've been bred for decades (or sometimes even centuries) to make them that way, you can't say it's all just a myth. And that's not turning aggressive "with no reason", it's just that the reason is simply because they're born that way.
Now I'm not trying to justify my parents, but the reason we didn't think having a Bull Terrier was going to be a problem is because we were of the same mindset you just described. We've already tamed a "ferocious" dog before, so why should another one be a problem?
The problem is that Our first dog was a rare gem. But this one wasn't.
Can't say I know much about dogs but it always seems like they just switch the title of the "dangerous" species every 10 years or so.
tbh I want a St. Bernard and a Newfoundland which are like some of the gentlest dogs so they say. I'd love them and hug them (because they're that big lmfao)
i don't want to live through winteri can't stand to see everything ending
I have a Pomeranian Shih Tzu X and he is so adorable, I love him and he's really affectionate. Go little dogs!
Just to clarify, I do know that a more experienced hand could've handled my dog better than we did. Not denying that. But the very fact that some breeds of dogs need to be trained in a particular way in order to become non-threatening, is a result that an animal's tendency is, to some degree, determined by the breed.
What's so wrong about that? O.o
Greater Swiss Mountain Dogs are my favorites. But I would have to wait until I get a real house to get one since I'm 200% sure they're over the weight limits of most apartment complexes.
If you don't think this video is cute, you have no soul.
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Little dogs are better imo.
I've never held any kind of real contempt for an animal, but this one makes me come pretty close.
My dog is actually good, depends on the breed.
Thank you Shih Tzu temperament.
And physical characteristics aren't the only traits that can be bred into a bloodline. Behaviour tendencies also depend on genes, and thus can be bred, just like coat colours and body dimensions. Dangereus dogs aren't considered so just because of how big or powerful their jaw is, but also how likely they are to use them to attack other dogs and/or people.
Also I know that most are "triggered" by particular situations. Mine for example, is territorial, and simply can't stand the sight of any strangers in or anywhere near our home. She's pretty harmless when we take her out for walks actually, but we always have to lock her up somewhere when we invite people over. I know it's not her fault, that it's just her nature to defend what she considers her territory, but we just can't go on living like this. We can't be afraid to have guests because our dog may scare them or hurt them. We can't live with an animal that will attack people working on our garden if she manages to slip out of control for even half a second, like it happened today.
i don't want to live through winteri can't stand to see everything ending
It's a classic nature vs. nurture argument, and just like with humans, it's more complicated than what you're presenting. A dog may just naturally be a little grumpy, they might be overly playful, they might be more reserved, they might have high energy, etc. But you have to foster aggression in them for them to actually be outwardly aggressive (I'm not even going to get into the difference between dog-aggression and people-aggression in dogs). That's why fighting dogs have to be trained (and abused) to fight. That's why police K-9 unit dogs can be trained to attack people and yet still be great family pets when they retire. These animals don't just attack for shits and gigs. Socialization, training, and understanding of the individual dog's psychology and personality are imperative for that animal to grow into a healthy, happy dog.And physical characteristics aren't the only traits that can be bred into a bloodline. Behaviour tendencies also depend on genes, and thus can be bred, just like coat colours and body dimensions. Dangereus dogs aren't considered so just because of how big or powerful their jaw is, but also how likely they are to use them to attack other dogs and/or people.
You're making it look like a dog has to be abused and directly instructed and stimulated in order to simply make him develop the bad habbit of biting people. Again, there are dogs like that, but many others are not. Many have the innate tendency to be overly possessive or snappy towards strangers unless they're trained not to.
And the reason for which a poor excuse for a human being may still abuse their naturally-aggressive dog before letting it fight, is simply because it would be even more "effective" that way. The fact that the poor beast was harmed in order to make it more prone to aggression doesn't automatically mean that it would've been a perfect family pet if he was raised instead in a loving home.
Also, the fact that police dogs are so inclined to learn precise obedience (which is why they can be powerful but also easily controllable) is really just another result of selective breeding. If you know anything about police dog training, you'd know that many young ones are just dismissed and put up for adoption before they're even given the chance to complete their trainig. Why? Because some dogs just aren't cut for the job. Training isn't everything. The specific skills the police force is looking for in a dog are something they'll learn to develop, but only if they're born with them to begin with.
It really would be great if every dog was born a blank page and that they all will always grow to be what we want them to. But that's just not how it is, sadly.
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I thought it was my internet playing up but it was the forums.
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the answer we're looking for won't be found easily,
but we knew that when we took the first step.
Two interesting reads concerning behavior/temperament among dog breeds. The conclusions of the meta-analysis, in particular numbers 4 and 7, affirm the existence of significant differences in temperament patterns among distinct breeds, which comports with contemporary behavioral neuroscience's findings that there is a significant heritability of behavioral traits (not that it should surprise anyone that artificial selection can act on behavioral/affective programs in the first place). Granted, the analysis was from 2005 and also describes a dearth of dog behavior research with a really strong and uniform methodology, but apparently the authors thought the findings were, cumulatively, valid enough. Basically, you'd be foolish to judge every individual dog by its breed, but there is still a statistical argument for breed-correlated behavioral patterns, among them aggressive (or whatever friendlier-sounding term you'd prefer) ones.
I don't think I'd ever do something quite as drastic as removing a dog's teeth; I understand them to be fairly intelligent and emotive animals, even if I think any actual field of dog psychology is about as credible as the Crane brothers do. But dogs are still quite potentially dangerous animals. A dog who, despite being in a professional trainer's program, or in the thrall of sedative medicine, still manages to attack unoffending people is dangerous enough in my book.
Flying Ludo, I'm sorry to hear your sad news. It sounds like you're very familiar with taking care of canines and know which actions are best advised in difficult situations. I trust things will turn out as well as can be hoped for your family and your soon-to-be former dog.
For my part, I'll stick to the always superior felidae family.
"What's it gonna be? I don't know. But maybe along the way, you take my hand, tell a few jokes, and have some fun. C'mon, pal. You're not afraid, are ya?"
No cat can compare to a dingo, now let's see how long it takes for someone to pick that up.