e: Togepi are surprisingly strong.
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It's like the boy that cried wolf, but, in this case, they're boys and they're all 13 year olds, either mentally and/or physically.
If you can handle long strings of text and feminism, here are some two excellent reading sources. I'd recommend the first one because it's seriously a great blog.
true original diva
I've come to the conclusion that I alternately love and hate this thread. Keep classy, the half of you who are responsible for the hate portion.
(Just FYI, the note about the Grammar Nazi thing was initially a joke.)
^ You could probably just use the ignore list for the hate portion. Simple solutions.
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@Cenobitic-if it bothers you so much, just ignore list them (ignore list me if I'm part of it.) No one is obligating you to listen to people you think suck.
Then again, I shouldn't give attention to certain people whom I won't name because it means that they'll get an ego. An even bigger ego.
Suppose my great grandparents were slaves, and someone said they were going to "own" me in a video game. Should I go running and get all upset? I'm not saying these things are right, but if we're going to try to banned the use the rape in joke context, then there are tons of other words that should be included along with that.
Huh. It sure is funny.
> links to two articles that talk about how rape isn't taken seriously in today's society because of disparaging jokes that involve the victim deserving it
> reply with, "I'm sure it's still taken seriously today" followed by unsympathetic response about those who are raped.
Yeah. Another person was raped tonight. Ho hum, pass the butter.
Actually, wait, no. Just by typing rape and doubt, you can see what scrutiny their claims go under and how they're always, always, seem to be some evil mastermind in for the money. Also, keep in mind for every rape that is reported, there are three that aren't.
And, because I'm such a generous person, here's two articles about why it's bad to use rape when describing a curb stomp battle in a video game. Something specifically arguing about what you're doing. Your desensitization towards the subject just proves how you don't have a right to speak about this. It'd be like letting the Imperial Wizard talk about how racism doesn't exist.
true original diva
I do cast my lot with the folks saying rape shouldn't be used as a trashtalk expression or euphemism for videogame defeat, etc., but, like Jb#s is saying, not because I believe it challenges/diminishes the seriousness of rape in serious conversations. If our society doesn't provide the legal and social gravity rape commands, is it because Derek and Jimmy are saying they're gonna "rape" each other in Call of Duty, or are both of these things the results of something bigger and more ingrained? That immature or disrespectful people use the word in a nonliteral/hyperbolic fashion is not a problem (well, not the problem, anyway - it is still a fairly ugly way to speak and act) but a symptom.
The bigger responsibility is, I think, to change the way people think rather than the way they talk. After all, curse words are actually taboo expressions compared to the word rape and they're practically ineradicable, even for otherwise intelligent and sensitive speakers. However, it works the other way around, too: it's possible to change the way people think by first changing the way they talk. That's why I argue alongside Moogles et al.
"What's it gonna be? I don't know. But maybe along the way, you take my hand, tell a few jokes, and have some fun. C'mon, pal. You're not afraid, are ya?"
true original diva
Okay. This is saying you killed someone without any proof.Actually, wait, no. Just by typing rape and doubt, you can see what scrutiny their claims go under and how they're always, always, seem to be some evil mastermind in for the money. Also, keep in mind for every rape that is reported, there are three that aren't.
Bad is subjective. I agree that you should hold your tongue on serious personal topics; but what exactly do you want done about it? Stop people from talking because a few people might get disrespected? And I don't mean this in a rude way.
Just because it hasn't happened to me doesn't mean I have no right to talk about it. That's like saying someone who hasn't smoke can't tell people the dangers of it.Your desensitization towards the subject just proves how you don't have a right to speak about this.
Regardless of all that, nothing you're saying is proving that little kids saying "rape jokes" are the cause of the current attitude towards rape.
Here are my thoughts:
I do believe rape is a serious issue; however, I'm skeptical on the idea of joking about it having some kind of effect on the way society views it.
Of course, you have those people who blame the victims and whatnot; but what some 12-year-old says on CoD should be the last thing you care about. It certainly won't make a guy more or less likely the rape. That doesn't mean it should be encouraged though.
As for whether we should say it or not? I honestly feel like sense of humor is very dependent on audience. Obviously, you shouldn't say it to some random person. At the same time, I don't think it's morally wrong to joke about it. We joke about everyday things that could potentially pain someone else everyday.. I'm sure (unless you're the most politically correct person on Earth. In that case, stay away from me if you're that boring).
My only question is just where does it end? What is the criteria? If it's not safe to joke about topics that affect human beings, you pretty much leave us in a pretty boring world if we used only that as the absolute standard.
Again, I only find it morally wrong if it's said to a person you either know would be offended or not sure would be offended.
When a person is killed, the murder isn't put under as much scrutiny as a rape victim is. Things like, "Oh, they're promiscuous so they obviously wanted it this one encounter" aren't tossed around nor are they used as defenses. Inversely, when a person who is killed is intoxicated, there's no blaming because they were intoxicated. With rape victims it's, "She was too drunk to say no so obviously so he's not the rapist". I know I've personally never seen a murder victim being blamed for their own murder, but, you're free to add some sources about that. If you have any, that is.Okay. This is saying you killed someone without any proof.
People to stop using the term rape colloquially. It would be a step in starting to combat misogynistic themes not only in gaming but for the future generation. Also, did you ever happen to think that rape victims might play video games and might not want that type of imagery or statements when they're just trying to have fun?Bad is subjective. I agree that you should hold your tongue on serious personal topics; but what exactly do you want done about it? Stop people from talking because a few people might get disrespected? And I don't mean this in a rude way.
That's different, and not remotely connected. Anyone can pick up and read an essay about the documented health effects of smoking. You stating that people using the term rape colloquially doesn't have any sort of damaging impacts on the attitude towards rape without providing any objective sources and using only personal testimony is a weak argument above all.Just because it hasn't happened to me doesn't mean I have no right to talk about it. That's like saying someone who hasn't smoke can't tell people the dangers of it.
....Did you even bother to look at my sources? Fungitivitis, the first one I linked, Jezebel, and the last two sources I provided you explain the correlation. It's both a symptom and a self-perpetuating cause. Children joking about rape perpetuates the lightness it's treated with when those children grow up and become policemen, lawyers and the like. Joking about something indicates a lack of seriousness towards something.Regardless of all that, nothing you're saying is proving that little kids saying "rape jokes" are the cause of the current attitude towards rape.
I invite you to read this link. It actually counters what you're stating specifically and explains it with a lot more patience and eloquence.
true original diva
so much stupid in this thread
be sure to read the rules of every section before posting ;)
Little Miss Stalinist/Secret Al-Qaeda agents (i.e. Ellie) would be a ***** even if she was a conserative republican. What makes her the way she is happens to be the fact that the webmaster of this site let's her behave like this. (Of course, I would never make a liberal a staff member at any forum I'd be in charge of, regardless.)