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    Seeing how we have a thread about US politics I want to try and see if any British SPPF members would like to try a hand at British politics and the upcoming general election. In this thread I'd like to post any recent news or updates in the field of politics concerning England, Scotland and Wales.

    With a year with a 5 on the end comes the latest general election for the United Kingdom. With the rise of UKIP and the ongoing debate for controls on immigration and the Conservative's long-term economic plan, the four major parties are fighting to win their place in parliament for the next five years.

    The four main parties are:



    Leader: Ed Miliband
    Political Orientation: Left of center
    Primary goal: Build a Britain that rewards hard work, not just privilege, and ensures the next generation does better than the last.

    Ideologies:
    • Social democracy
    • Democratic socialism




    The Conservatives

    Leader: David Cameron
    Political Orientation: Right of center
    Primary goal: To initialize a long-term economic plan which involves reducing the deficit, cutting income tax and freezing fuel duty, creating more jobs, capping welfare and reducing immigration and delivering the best schools and skills for young people.


    Ideologies:
    • Conservatism
    • Soft euroscepticism
    • British unionism





    Leader: Nick Clegg
    Political Orientation: Center
    Primary goal: To build a stronger economy in a fairer society, enabling everyone to get on in life.

    Ideologies:
    • Liberalism
    • Social liberalism
    • Devolutionism
    • Pro-Europeanism




    Leader: Nigel Farage
    Political Orientation: Right-wing
    Primary goal: British independence from the European Union.

    Ideologies:
    • Euroscepticism
    • Right-wing populism

    Other Parties





    Leader: Adam Walker
    Political Orientation: Far right
    Primary goal: Putting the interests of the British people first and retaining the national identity and native culture of the British Isles.

    Ideologies:
    • Fascism
    • Right-wing populism
    • White nationalism
    • Ethnic nationalism
    • British nationalism
    • Anti-immigration
    • Anti-globalisation
    • Euroscepticism





    Leader: Natalie Bennett
    Political Orientation: Left-wing
    Primary goal:

    Ideologies:
    • Green politics,
    • Environmentalism,
    • Eco-socialism




    In addition to discussion about the political parties and general British politics, I will also be posting news and updates regularly from reliable sources such as the BBC, though anyone posting in this thread is free to do otherwise as well.

    Whether it's immigration, the deficit, or whatever, all topics regarding British politics are welcome.

    >Farage quits alchohol
    >Prince Andrew gets Bill Cosby'd, supposedly raping an underage girl repeatedly
    >3 year olds are racists, homophobes and bigots
    >Muslim schools apparently aren't diverse enough
    >Muslim hackers prevent people from getting their bus timetables
    >an interesting article on the images used to teach soldiers to kill
    >body washed up on beach in Wales
    >beta uprising; Plymouth axe attack
    >the islamification of Britain

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    I think if there's a thread on UK politics, there should be some agreement to not cite the Daily Mail. Somewhat because of their heavily biased and inaccurate agenda, but mostly because it'd turn into the "Does this give you cancer?" thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Dragon View Post
    I think if there's a thread on UK politics, there should be some agreement to not cite the Daily Mail. Somewhat because of their heavily biased and inaccurate agenda, but mostly because it'd turn into the "Does this give you cancer?" thread.
    Yeah, no problem. The same story is likely to be published by other papers and sites, hopefully a handful of which are reliable.

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    I'm not British, but I'd like to hear from people who are how they feel the dramatic events in Paris could affect the outcome of this election. As you may know, voices are rising in Europe to re-evaluate the rules of the schengen zone (did I type that out right?), with FN leader Marine Le Pen even going as far as saying that, should she be elected president of France in 2017, she will propose a referendum about the reintroduction of the death penalty (naturally leading to an EU exit, since abolishing the death penalty is one of the most important requirements to be in the EU in the first place).

    I feel as if the British elections could influence the French ones. For instance, should UKIP (or David Cameron, I believe he's growing more and more skeptic about the EU and promised a referendum as well?) win, France may be inspired by the possible results of a UKIP-governed UK.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bert View Post
    I'm not British, but I'd like to hear from people who are how they feel the dramatic events in Paris could affect the outcome of this election. As you may know, voices are rising in Europe to re-evaluate the rules of the schengen zone (did I type that out right?), with FN leader Marine Le Pen even going as far as saying that, should she be elected president of France in 2017, she will propose a referendum about the reintroduction of the death penalty (naturally leading to an EU exit, since abolishing the death penalty is one of the most important requirements to be in the EU in the first place).

    I feel as if the British elections could influence the French ones. For instance, should UKIP (or David Cameron, I believe he's growing more and more skeptic about the EU and promised a referendum as well?) win, France may be inspired by the possible results of a UKIP-governed UK.
    If you want the death penalty (for Britain that is), by all means vote for the BNP. I honestly think they're the better option out of both UKIP and Cameron, though I'm also pretty open to UKIP as well as far as immigration and the EU are concerned.

    The problem with the Tories is that, like Labour and the Lib Dems, they have the gun barrel of political correctness pointed at them. All three of them fear being branded racist, that's why none of them can't (won't in Labour's case) remotely control immigration. That's kind of why they're often depicted as the "big three" - they get the most attention and with attention comes the mass of the current liberal agenda. UKIP and especially the BNP are the only two parties who say "FIGHT THE POWAH" and excerpt their views no matter how racist or fascist it may turn out to be, and they certainly aren't fazed by being branded with those terms as well. And that's what I respect the most about them, especially the latter.

    But yes, I want Britain to leave the EU because it would certainly help us in getting ourselves together. It's only been part of it for what, 60 or 70 years? That means it could join the EU again within the average human lifespan, unlike the Scottish referendum which, if it were else, would've sealed their independence for the next century. We simply need to stop being governed by a foreign influence - I wish Britain could govern itself properly and perhaps even rise as a global superpower again to sustain it.

    And I'm certainly glad to see nationalism rising in Germany and all the major European countries in general. It's only natural due to recent events and there's practically nothing wrong in doing so.

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    Going from what I'm hearing I wouldn't be surprised if UKIP come close to winning next elections. People see the big three as not having the best interests of the UK (rather they seem more determined to keep the EU happy). Cameron's threat of leaving the EU is empty he's only saying what he knows people want to hear. If it really was his intentions for the UK to leave the Eu there would of been a vote for the issue by now instead of being told there could be one after the next elections.

    UKIP are winning seats from the other parties and the general way they have been discarded as not a serious problem by the big three and that has caused UKIP's popularity to surge. If UKIP getting power is going to have ant negative effects it is more wait and see what happens, though at this stage people are just desperate for anything right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Blockhead View Post
    If you want the death penalty (for Britain that is), by all means vote for the BNP. I honestly think they're the better option out of both UKIP and Cameron, though I'm also pretty open to UKIP as well as far as immigration and the EU are concerned.
    Errr.. I'm not sure whether you were just informing me or not, but I'm not particularly for or against the death penalty (that's another debate entirely), I was just raising the question how the results of the UK general election could influence the France presidential election in 2017, and Europe long-term.

    Concerning political correctness I have to agree with you there. However, in Belgium we have seen the rise to power of the nationalist, conservative right-wing N-VA party (which you could very well compare to UKIP on a variety of aspects, except that they're not anti-EU) and I should point out that once an anti-establishment party is in power, it is very susceptible to gradual change into the mainstream. You have to keep a large number of voters satisfied, so you have to watch your words, and you'll find it's harder to solve a problem than to correctly analyze it (as the opposition traditionally tends to excel at).

    If UKIP rises to power, they will have far more to worry about than just the EU problem. It remains to be seen how they'll fare with that.

    Anyway, contrary to you, I am not particularly (un)happy with the European rise of nationalist parties. While I enjoy national cultural identities, there is little need to catapult Europe back to the 16th century with its countless kingdoms, duchies, etc... (I am addressing the Scottish, Catalan, Flemish, ... cause here). Also, I fear nationalist parties will fall short when it comes to actually governing a country, although I am merely going on what I see in my own country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bert View Post
    Errr.. I'm not sure whether you were just informing me or not, but I'm not particularly for or against the death penalty (that's another debate entirely), I was just raising the question how the results of the UK general election could influence the France presidential election in 2017, and Europe long-term.
    Yeah, I tend to get to get a bit sidetracked when it comes to topics like this.

    Honestly I don't think it really makes all that of a difference. What's happening in France is going on regardless of what's happening in the UK, because unlike the latter France isn't afraid to say anything that could offend moderate muslims.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bert View Post
    Concerning political correctness I have to agree with you there. However, in Belgium we have seen the rise to power of the nationalist, conservative right-wing N-VA party (which you could very well compare to UKIP on a variety of aspects, except that they're not anti-EU) and I should point out that once an anti-establishment party is in power, it is very susceptible to gradual change into the mainstream. You have to keep a large number of voters satisfied, so you have to watch your words, and you'll find it's harder to solve a problem than to correctly analyze it (as the opposition traditionally tends to excel at).
    Watching your words practically makes your right to free speech redundant. Governments are not ruled by the people - they rule themselves and the country that their people live in. I do agree with the concept of keeping to what the people say, but in some cases like these there are times when you just have to say how it is. I'd much rather people just speak the truth so less people vote for them rather than the contrary and have more people vote for them which would deliver the same or similar result as all the other parties.

    Britain's path is mostly unidirectional right now. UKIP wants to take the off-road into a better one.

    And ultimately, we should just let the people find out about the threat of Islamification and terrorism themselves rather than try to pretend that we can all share the same star.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bert View Post
    Anyway, contrary to you, I am not particularly (un)happy with the European rise of nationalist parties. While I enjoy national cultural identities, there is little need to catapult Europe back to the 16th century with its countless kingdoms, duchies, etc... (I am addressing the Scottish, Catalan, Flemish, ... cause here). Also, I fear nationalist parties will fall short when it comes to actually governing a country, although I am merely going on what I see in my own country.
    Think of it like a Primal Reversion. It goes back to what it originally was, but at the same time this is what makes it better and stronger than it was before.

    Though at the same time, I agree. With every historic event comes progress in human evolution. We stopped beheading men / women for cheating on their partners, along a myriad of other things.

    Unfortunately, certain groups of people haven't undergone this change, and the worst part is that they are being immigrated in full into Europe...

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