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    Homosexuality & Politics


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    This is a new 'gay thread' for general discussion regarding homosexuality politically and socially. Sorry if you were sick of them, but apparently there will always be one, so we might as well make it a good one.

    There are a lot of modern issues pertaining to homosexuality in the 21st century - this isn't personal, it's debate. Try to be sensitive, and if other people aren't sensitive to you, try your best to repay it with politeness, because we don't want to remember the thread like this:
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    For me, it's the same as most others. I don't care if they're gay, let them do what they want, why should I care? But... stop sticking it in my face and in the media! Like, if you don't want to be bullied for being gay, stop running around with "Gay Pride!" or "Gay 4 Life!" signs stapled on you. Like, do what you want but stop bugging me about it, I don't care what you do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Razor Xtreme View Post
    For me, it's the same as most others. I don't care if they're gay, let them do what they want, why should I care? But... stop sticking it in my face and in the media! Like, if you don't want to be bullied for being gay, stop running around with "Gay Pride!" or "Gay 4 Life!" signs stapled on you. Like, do what you want but stop bugging me about it, I don't care what you do.
    Oh dear. You don't seem to know why they have parades and protest in the first place... you say 'let them do what they want', but gays are not given the same rights as heterosexuals in most countries. It is in essence no different to a law that prohibits interracial marriage, or mandates segregated water fountains.

    If you were in their situation, how would you draw attention to the predicament?

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    I really don't plan on joining this debate much, but that was really great introduction Sunny. But to stay on topic...


    Quote Originally Posted by Razor Xtreme View Post
    For me, it's the same as most others. I don't care if they're gay, let them do what they want, why should I care? But... stop sticking it in my face and in the media! Like, if you don't want to be bullied for being gay, stop running around with "Gay Pride!" or "Gay 4 Life!" signs stapled on you. Like, do what you want but stop bugging me about it, I don't care what you do.

    I do somewhat agree, I too am kinda of tired of seeing all the "Gay Pride" and Parades and the like everywhere. Also since i'm not gay, I don't plan to support or oppose anything that has to do with gay rights. I'd much rather foucus on the bigger problems of the world.

    Of course they can't do everything they want so they have to get the world out somehow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jb08045 View Post
    I do somewhat agree, I too am kinda of tired of seeing all the "Gay Pride" and Parades and the like everywhere. Also since i'm not gay, I don't plan to support or oppose anything that has to do with gay rights. I'd much rather foucus on the bigger problems of the world.
    I'd say the battle for civil rights is a pretty important battle.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ChedWick View Post
    I'd say the battle for civil rights is a pretty important battle.
    It's not like they're being stoned to death or being treated as second class citizens. They simply have to get a civil union which holds the same legal power as a marriage, instead of a marriage. There have been bigger tragedies in the world. That being said, I have nothing against gays, I just wish they would stop trying to rub it in everyone's face.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuboy View Post
    Oh dear. You don't seem to know why they have parades and protest in the first place... you say 'let them do what they want', but gays are not given the same rights as heterosexuals in most countries. It is in essence no different to a law that prohibits interracial marriage, or mandates segregated water fountains.

    If you were in their situation, how would you draw attention to the predicament?
    I'm not talking about their parades, I'm talking about all the news about "coming out" and all that. If someone went on the news and said "I'm straight!" they'd probably get a lawsuit for "offense to gays" or something, but if someone went on the news and said "I'm gay! I've come out of the closet!" they'd be worshipped for "revealing something so precious...", I was never comfortable with the idea of gays, not because of my religion, but I just didn't think it looked right, but now I can accept it, I just don't want to hear about it every time I turn on the TV.

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    Thank you SunnyC for making a sane version of Alleviate's debate. I don't know what took the mods so long to realize that wasn't going anywhere good.

    Quote Originally Posted by Razor Xtreme View Post
    I'm not talking about their parades, I'm talking about all the news about "coming out" and all that. If someone went on the news and said "I'm straight!" they'd probably get a lawsuit for "offense to gays" or something, but if someone went on the news and said "I'm gay! I've come out of the closet!" they'd be worshipped for "revealing something so precious...", I was never comfortable with the idea of gays, not because of my religion, but I just didn't think it looked right, but now I can accept it, I just don't want to hear about it every time I turn on the TV.
    Yeah, those gays... They're always getting offended by straight people being straight, and... Wait. What are you talking about? Straight people don't need to come out of the closet. They are expected to be straight, because most people are straight. People don't discriminate against straight people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Razor Xtreme View Post
    I'm not talking about their parades, I'm talking about all the news about "coming out" and all that. If someone went on the news and said "I'm straight!" they'd probably get a lawsuit for "offense to gays" or something, but if someone went on the news and said "I'm gay! I've come out of the closet!" they'd be worshipped for "revealing something so precious...", I was never comfortable with the idea of gays, not because of my religion, but I just didn't think it looked right, but now I can accept it, I just don't want to hear about it every time I turn on the TV.
    Don't be stupid. Heterosexuals don't live in a society where their sexuality is stigmatized and they never will. (Unless gay people take over the earth and repress them or something) It's also funny how you claim to accept them, but it bothers you to hear about them on TV? Why does it bother you? What's the big deal? Will the rainbow signs that people are holding on TV come get you? If it bothers you that much you need to do some serious self examining.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gergovia View Post
    I always thought that the retort used by gays that divorce ruins the sanctity of marriage more than gay nuptials a poor one. Divorce doesn't affect the sanctity of marriage at all. What does divorce even have to do with the sanctity of marriage as an institution at all? It may ruin the sanctity of your individual marriage, but hardly says anything about the institution itself.
    I always interpreted the argument to mean that we allow people to marry and divorce at the drop of a hat, but ignore those who genuinely love their partner. Look at the whole Kim Kardashian thing as an example - we let her have a big lavish ceremony so she can get married only to divorce the guy like five minutes later in what was almost certainly just a publicity stunt, but when two people who happen to have the same genitalia genuinely love each other and want to be together, all of a sudden that's just going too far.
    If we accept your premise that divorce ruins the sanctity of an individual's marriage (and I personally do, it's a lot more reasonable than saying all marriage is worthless because of the divorce rate), then we now have to ask why allowing gays to get married would destroy the sanctity of marriage as a whole, or even how it would destroy the sanctity of your individual marriage. I could also preemptively get into the fact that the Bible condemns divorce just as much if not moreso than homosexuality, but I'd really rather not talk about the Bible unless/until someone else brings it up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Razor Xtreme View Post
    I'm not talking about their parades, I'm talking about all the news about "coming out" and all that.
    I've never heard of people coming out and making the news for it, unless you're talking about awful trash media and gossip magazines. In that case, just look away. I agree those sorts of shows/magazines are dreadful but gays aren't the ones to blame, the airheaded stay-at-home mothers who consume them are.

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    Wow, SunnyC. Five stars for the intro.

    I just have one question on the matter, and since its a person to person idea it should be an easy one; why is that I hear pro gay marriage arguments use the straight divorce rate (Currently a whopping 50% in the States, as I'm sure we all know by now) as a reason they should receive the option, when gays are just as flawed and human as straights, and just as capable of bad choices and expectations? It seems like a needless attack.


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    I feel that they have every right to express it. I actually think that Christians need to stop bugging the media. Seriously, "Like if you are a Christian and proud of it", "Christian 4 Life" "Christian power!!" We get it, you are Christian, SO IS 75 PERCENT OF THE POPULATION.





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