Homosexuality & Politics in the 21st Century

[BigLutz]

Actually yes it is. Those who are in favor of gay marriage do have a lot of money backing them. (Hollywood) Also we are not voting for Obama the Politican, we are Voting for "Obama"SUPERSTAR. Obama is running as a famous person, not on his record.

But those not favoring Gay Marriage, the evangelical right, have alot of money backing them as well. And by taking this position they open the flood gates of support to a candidate they did not like before in Romney.

[Kaiserin]

But those not favoring Gay Marriage, the evangelical right, have alot of money backing them as well. And by taking this position they open the flood gates of support to a candidate they did not like before in Romney.

But again, what makes you think they weren't already leaning towards Romney in the first place? Not to make a blanket statement, but it sort of seems rational that most of the evangelical right was already not terribly enamored with Obama for reasons beyond gay marriage-related topics...

[ebilly99]

But those not favoring Gay Marriage, the evangelical right, have alot of money backing them as well. And by taking this position they open the flood gates of support to a candidate they did not like before in Romney.

The problem is that Obama already Alienated the christian right (Secret Muslim, Atheist, Socialist)
True Obama may have won them back but sometimes it is better to cut and run.

[Silver Soul]

Remember when Romney said that he will be better on gay rights than Ted Kennedy? Well, that Romney may be now dead...

http://thinkprogress.org/election/20...l-marriage-ba/

[Vern]

If he'd been working at it I'd say cool, but just out of left field NOW he's going to look at the issue.

If he'd been working on what? He's said that his views on gay marriage were an "evolving issue."

[Malanu]

Exactly, it evolved from not caring for 29 other states, finding out 40 years ago his competitor was an idiot in High School, and set it up pretty plainly to try to look like a hero! It's such an old ploy the Romans used it!

Smart move in a country where about 50% is against and about 50% is in favor :P..

That's 58% against if we are discussion state supreme courts!

[Vern]

Exactly, it evolved from not caring for 29 other states, finding out 40 years ago his competitor was an idiot in High School, and set it up pretty plainly to try to look like a hero! It's such an old ploy the Romans used it!

What are you saying?

[Malanu]

I'm saying it is quite convenient that 29 states banned gay couples marrying and Obama did... nothing. NC bans gay marriage and NOW he decides it's time to do something, now that its getting to be running season. After he finally decides to make a stand (after 58% of the states have laws banning equal rights!)He come out and decides to do something, OH yeah and Romney bullied some gay kids in high school!That's like saying I can't get a job now cause I smoked pot 30 years ago! It's obvious as the nose on your face that Obama is beginning his campaign off with slander if he is going all the way back to Romney's high school days to throw dirt.

[Vern]

I'm saying it is quite convenient that 29 states banned gay couples marrying and Obama did... nothing.

What could he do? Scold them for being able to do things that they have control over? This also ignores the fact that he supposedly did not have a concrete position on gay marriage until earlier this year.

NC bans gay marriage and NOW he decides it's time to do something,

I'm pretty sure he declared his favor because Biden did so recently; not because North Carolina banned it.

now that its getting to be running season. After he finally decides to make a stand (after 58% of the states have laws banning equal rights!)He come out and decides to do something,

What exactly is he doing for gay marriage?

OH yeah and Romney bullied some gay kids in high school!That's like saying I can't get a job now cause I smoked pot 30 years ago! It's obvious as the nose on your face that Obama is beginning his campaign off with slander if he is going all the way back to Romney's high school days to throw dirt.

This is run-of-the-mill political action. Both sides were eventually going to slander each other anyway via some outlet or another.

[ebilly99]

OH yeah and Romney bullied some gay kids in high school!That's like saying I can't get a job now cause I smoked pot 30 years ago! It's obvious as the nose on your face that Obama is beginning his campaign off with slander if he is going all the way back to Romney's high school days to throw dirt.

Exactly. I killed 5 kids when I was in jr high, but that shouldn't stop me from being a senator. Heck I also robbed a bank so I should still get a job as a banker.
Romney did some bad things is one thing. But he denies it happened, and refuses to admit he was wrong. We need a president who knows right from wrong.
Also his buddies who are bringing this up said it traumatized them, so it was more then hazing.

[Vern]

We need a president who knows right from wrong.

I apologize for being off-topic but criticizing Romeny for something he did in high school is beyond ridiculous and should have no place in regards to whether or not someone should vote for him. It's kind of like a President's views on same-sex marriage: it shouldn't be a factor but eh.

[Malanu]

Exactly. I killed 5 kids when I was in jr high, but that shouldn't stop me from being a senator. Heck I also robbed a bank so I should still get a job as a banker.
Romney did some bad things is one thing. But he denies it happened, and refuses to admit he was wrong. We need a president who knows right from wrong.
Also his buddies who are bringing this up said it traumatized them, so it was more then hazing.

Really, Capitol Crimes v being a Stupid Teen... You really are ok with comparing apples and oranges like that? I hate to tell you but lots of kids got bullied in My generation in high school. I bullied bullies should I not be allowed to run for office? We elected a Pot head (well he claimed he didn't inhale!) why is this any different. We didn't have bullying laws back 30-40 years ago you know!?!

Rebecca, I almost agree with you. If Obama is going to actually support gay marriage that is a hot ticket item in the government right now. Now if we were arguing that Obama was homophobic in high school, that would not be something to bring up today.

[7 tyranitars]

Not a romney fan but I have to agree, all kids do stupid things a couple of times.

And Malanu American politics is basicly a who can throw the most dirt and shit at the other candidate, Romney does it, Obama does it everyone does it.

[Malanu]

I agree 7. It's why I hate politicians!

[Vern]

Rebecca, I almost agree with you. If Obama is going to actually support gay marriage that is a hot ticket item in the government right now. Now if we were arguing that Obama was homophobic in high school, that would not be something to bring up today.

You said you almost agree with so what point are you disagreeing with me on?

[Malanu]

Valid question Rebecca,

It's kind of like a President's views on same-sex marriage: it shouldn't be a factor but eh.

This is a current topic/policy, so should be open for legitimate debate and scrutiny. Please I do emphasize legitimate... I hate mud throwing by either side.

[BigLutz]

Romney did some bad things is one thing. But he denies it happened, and refuses to admit he was wrong.

Romney says he does not remember it, which is legitimate after what is close to 50 years. But he has apologized for anyone he hurt.

We need a president who knows right from wrong.

Like say snorting Cocaine in college?
Or befriending a known terrorist?
Or spending 20 years in a church that talked about hating Whites and hating America.

Because obviously we do not want a President that did such wrong things.

Also his buddies who are bringing this up said it traumatized them, so it was more then hazing.

Is this the same buddy who said that he was not there for the incident and the Washington Post changed the story? And if the incident was so traumatizing why didn't his sisters know about it?

[Kazekage]

Yeah, its beyond short sighted to look towards a candidates high school years to determine their respectability.

As BigLutz stated Obama was a COCAINE ADDICT and went to a church that (for what WE'VE SEEN) had extremist leanings.

But yes it was politically savvy for Obama to turn this into a culture war. To be honest these presidents are very similar when it comes to both the economy so we needed a differentiating factor. I'll vote for Obama because I'm socially liberal, and I tend to lean slightly to the left economically. Also because I fear that Romney is trying to hard to appeal to the fascist..I mean christian right.

[BigLutz]

Obama's online store is now selling a wide variety of "LGBT ware"

http://store.barackobama.com/collect...for-obama.html

Can we honestly do away with any perception that this wasn't completely politically motivated?

Also because I fear that Romney is trying to hard to appeal to the fascist..I mean christian right.

Dude Romney can completely ignore the Christian Right, right now and they would still crawl over broken glass for him. Thanks to Obama they have now completely and utterly rallied around him with out him having to lift a finger.

[mattj]

Obama Advisor: Sir. Some of the polls have you dangerously close to Rmoney. We need to do something. I suggest you make a clear statement in support of homosexual marriage in order to rally your homosexual supporters and boost your poll numbers.

Obama: Yeah. That sounds good. Get me an interview and let me know what I need to say.