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Seriously, Jesus, look: I'm all about trying to actually point out the fallacies of major arguments for defending the lack of equality for homosexuals. But when you post quips this inane and ill-thought out, it's like an invitation for opponents to start tearing apart their absurdity rather than having to deal with the arguments that actually address their points and hurt their stances.
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The lack of gay marriage in some states does not warrant a tax rebellion. It's probably best to wait for the major political players (now including Obama) to do their job and open up those opportunities in a legal way.
I agree FE21, it is very unfortunate.
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Who cares what they do now, when we know they will suffer immeasurably for all eternity?
Is that supposed to be a respectable stance?
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"He that breaks a thing to find out what it is has left the path of wisdom."
Gandalf to Saruman
I'll just outline some verses that are relevant to what is going on, and again, there may well be translation issues at play here (so I'll mention which Bible version I'm quoting).
It's probably best to analyse this in context, because there may not have been much consideration given to people who have natures that deviate from the norm. I believe such people would be offered an opportunity to be 'fixed' and to get into the kingdom of Heaven.Originally Posted by 1 Corinthians Chapter 6: Lawsuits, verses 6-7 NET Bible
There is also this, I quoted 2 verses due to significance, rather than just the 1.
I'm going to go as far as saying you have to believe in his teachings for the righteousness, rather than simply 'believing' in Jesus, otherwise you're not going to get the righteousness/repentance needed for salvation.Originally Posted by Romans 10:9-10 NET Bible
I do not think that people who are born with a specific nature are screwed, they'll be offered the chance to be fixed at some point. For the record, I'm going to say that I do not believe in a God that would allow someone to be screwed due to their nature, nor would I believe in eternal punishment from such a God, neither of those things make any sense, they just contradict his nature, and tbh, I find the idea of things like eternal punishment to be nothing short of blasphemy, IMHO.
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Well, CNN's Anderson Cooper is gay.
So no, I disagree with that statement. Ignoring it would be sweeping the issue under the rug as opposed to arguing why they don't believe it should come to pass, even if they're shitty reasons from my perspective. Personally, I think that's worse, because at least by arguing back, the other side is obviously interested enough in engaging the issue.
Apathy to it would make things even worse, in my opinion.
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In a world where people mind their buisiness, perhaps we wouldn't know deconstructionism, and wouldn't know how to even explain the equivalancies that make life better today.
Guys, seriously, please stay on-topic. :/
Also, you may be interested to know that there are entire groups of, for example, straight men who enjoy crossdressing. They get along fine in their day-to-day lives, and many have happy, if not supportive wives. You don't have to be of a certain sexuality to look or dress a certain way, nor do you have to be male to wear pants. Homosexuals dress the same way as heterosexuals do, just like women often dress in the same clothes men wear (meaning it's not always skirts and dresses and high heels).
As a general note...why do I care about getting into heaven, anyway? I'm a straight gal, and I will sacrifice getting into heaven if it means I can do what I please in the sack. I would much rather live my life, do what I want and be happy than spend it bored to death in the hopes that it means getting into some place that may or may not exist when I'm dead. That's how I roll, and if you believe I'm going to hell, I would prefer if you just kept your thoughts to yourself, however well-meaning your intentions may be.
Some of these translations are very weird, by the way. Like physical abusers can get into heaven fine as long as they don't use any verbal abuse? Are drug addicts allowed into heaven? Tomboys?
Spoiler:- old response to Malanu:
The only anti-gay arguments are either
A. Some kind of fake religious testimony
or B. A nonfactual scientific debate.
Being gay is natural, and there's absolutely no reason why gays can't marry.
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Straight out. The only reason people dont like homosexuals is because people dont understand it.
People hate that which they cant understand
I'd like to quote the anime full metal alchemist move: conqueror of shamballa, if i may:
Dietlinde Eckhart:This land is completly foren, not like my world at all.
Edward: Your wrong about that eckhart, people here laugh and weep just like you, live the same, die the same.
Theirs one thing i wanna know, what made you start this attack, i thought the point was to use weapons of this world to conquer your own?
Dietlinde Eckhart: I have to,This entire world must perish, opening a new door to a new world was thrilling at first, a utopia that could make us greater, but then i realize how different it was from our own then i got scared, this world is fare to strong to be trusted, i have to destroy it now before it conquers us.
Most People just dont understand that their are things that can operate beyond the comprehension of theirselfs.
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Many people do obviosly hate for lack of knowledge. Though i will not dive into the psychological points of view.
I understand that homosexuality from some points of view could be considered un-natural ( of the sorts) thus holding an affiliation
of an insult towards the beings in which truly created everything, though all things were mirrored first before they could be materialized.
If you hate homosexuality then your hating god's divine plan, as all possible equations and possibilities need to be actualized before all knowledge is harvested.
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On the topic of homosexuality, there was a news piece on the boy scouts and how someone is trying to fight for gays to join. Those who don't know, they had this rule for quite some time that gays were banned from being in the boy scouts.
What are you thoughts on it?
Also my thoughts are that while I can understand that they are for the safety of the children (yes there ARE some creeps that are after young boys), I wish that they and others could know how easy it is for someone to lie about their sexuality. Like if someone were to ask me whether orally or on paper what my sexuality was, I'd say straight. If I was asked that on a job application, I'd say straight, tho that's not really... what I am. Well, it's easier for someone like me to say they are the norm but for others, it seems hard but in the end it's not that difficult. Can others actually lie about their sexuality in order to draw blood? etc
The boy scouts were founded on what was once considered good wholesome values. That hasn't changed since their inception, what has changed is what we consider good and wholesome. Though it is inconvenient and inconsiderate not to mention dated, they have a right to set up guidelines for membership as they see fit. I was a cub scout leader for a minute with my son. I found their rules and "morals" confining and dated. So my son and I left the pack.
It's also illegal to ask someone's orientation when interviewing them for a job.
Those are pedophiles, not homosexuals. The terms are not mutually exclusive. Anybody who is attracted to a small child is a pedophile. If it's a man attracted to a young boy this doesn't make him gay, it still makes him a pedophile.Also my thoughts are that while I can understand that they are for the safety of the children (yes there ARE some creeps that are after young boys)
I think this is a pretty good point. It's incredibly easy to lie about such a thing because there's no way that we can prove it unless we see it in the bedroom. I actually do plan on lying to donate blood (which is incredibly sad but that's for another time.)I wish that they and others could know how easy it is for someone to lie about their sexuality. Like if someone were to ask me whether orally or on paper what my sexuality was, I'd say straight. If I was asked that on a job application, I'd say straight, tho that's not really... what I am. Well, it's easier for someone like me to say they are the norm but for others, it seems hard but in the end it's not that difficult. Can others actually lie about their sexuality in order to draw blood? etc