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    Question Soak:a great move or useless?

    first time i saw soak i tought that was useless,but later i tought some strategies that can be made with it,some are:
    -make pokemon with a lot of weakness have just 2 weakness,and grass is really uncomon(excluding ferrothorn)
    -make shedinja almost imortal
    -make sure that your eletric moves will be superefective against your oponent and remove their stabs
    whats your opinion?it has future to at least double battles or will be forgoten?
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    Pretty useless I think. Its a cool concept but not good for much.

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    I'm actually quite fond of Soak.

    Definitely no good in Singles, but in Doubles, it can actually help your partner. Setting up the Soak will take away opponent's STAB, as well as set it up for a Super Effective hit against your opponent. Ferrothorn, who would otherwise wall grass types without HP Fire or Fighting, becomes a Water type, allowing your Pokemon to use its Grass move on it and pull of a Super Effective.

    It has its uses, you just have to be smart when using it.

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    It would have much better potential in Doubles if paired with a Discharge user, but sadly there are no -Ground-type Soak users :/

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    I use it in Singles with Alomomola and Toxic. It's fun Toxic stalling an SD Scizor or a Ferrothorn to its demise.

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    It's not that Soak is bad, but it wasn't given to any viable pokemon. Only some of the worst of Water types got it. Golduck, Basculin, Seaking, Pelipper even freaking Lumineon. The only thing that could possibly take advantage of soak is Octillerry as that learns T-bolt. If only Lanturn or Ludicolo got it. *sigh*
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    Useless,Pokes can just switch out when you've used it.
    Cool concept though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blazios View Post
    I use it in Singles with Alomomola and Toxic. It's fun Toxic stalling an SD Scizor or a Ferrothorn to its demise.
    This is probably the best way to currently take advantage of Soak. I mean, who doesn't like Poisoning Steel types?
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    soak is pretty much useless. Any tactic using it imo would be to gimmicky.
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    i agree with most of you,lanturn or any water/ground+discharge would rape every team,but i think that makes some pokemon that is normaly useless become really usefull
    the one that will get more benefits is aggon,huge defenses,learn aqua tail in 4 gen,learns earthquake and a lot of moves to counter grass.
    also,can be usefull against spiritombs,but they are becoming rare nowadyas lol,at least when i played random matchup
    maybe even gyarados can use it well,if you dont expect any earthquake pokemon you can use soak to make it lose its awfull X4 against eletric and dont give any stab,maybe put a air balon to keep dont taking damage from earthquake
    and the list goes on,just use imagination
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blazios View Post
    I use it in Singles with Alomomola and Toxic. It's fun Toxic stalling an SD Scizor or a Ferrothorn to its demise.
    I've used this one, and it really catches said pokemon by surprise, and I think it's sorta under-rated.

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    Removing STAB, monotyping opponents, making Rock-, Steel-, and Ground-types take damage in Sandstorms, removing sandstorm boosts for Rock-types, making Ice-types take Hail damage, allowing Steel-types to escape Magnet Pull... And they're just a few of the things I think of. It's most deinfitely a double battle-orientated move.
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    Soak seems only useful in double battles. It could help a Pokemon weak to an opposing Water-type, but that's just my opinion.

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    usefulish on toxistall almomola. no where else. gimmick in doubles battles

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    Its not that it sucks its just not given to any good Pokemon at the moment It's probably good for like double battles in case your partner needs it.
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    Useless, but I think someone said something about Eviolite Rhydon w/ LightningRod in doubles, and Soak... Of course, absolute gimmick, but hey, people still use Swampert XD [/Analogy]


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    I think it's amazing! You can do Soak and then U-Turn while using Pelipper or Lumineon. Then you can bring in a Grass/Electric Pokemon to wipe them out.

    Octillery uses it best since it can learn a Grass and an Electric move, unlike others.

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    Soak is a fascinating gimmick, if only because of Shedinja.

    Water has 2 weaknesses. One of them (Electric) is drawn in by Lightningrod. Basically, this means that a Soaked Shedinja in Doubles can only be hurt by grass moves, as long as it's partnered with Manectric or Rhydon. Add a Scarf Golduck to the team to use Soak and clear weather, and your Shedinja becomes really, really hard to KO. If there was such a thing as NU doubles/triples, I'd give it a shot. A flamethrower from Manectric or X-Scissor from Shedinja will keep the Grass-types in check.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aurawarrior8 View Post
    It's not that Soak is bad, but it wasn't given to any viable pokemon. Only some of the worst of Water types got it. Golduck, Basculin, Seaking, Pelipper even freaking Lumineon. The only thing that could possibly take advantage of soak is Octillerry as that learns T-bolt. If only Lanturn or Ludicolo got it. *sigh*
    Octillery can't learn Thunderbolt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Serpentine View Post
    Octillery can't learn Thunderbolt.
    But it can learn Bullet Seed, if that's a comfort. Also,

    Quote Originally Posted by 3.14kachu
    Soak is a fascinating gimmick, if only because of Shedinja.

    Water has 2 weaknesses. One of them (Electric) is drawn in by Lightningrod. Basically, this means that a Soaked Shedinja in Doubles can only be hurt by grass moves, as long as it's partnered with Manectric or Rhydon. Add a Scarf Golduck to the team to use Soak and clear weather, and your Shedinja becomes really, really hard to KO. If there was such a thing as NU doubles/triples, I'd give it a shot. A flamethrower from Manectric or X-Scissor from Shedinja will keep the Grass-types in check.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaiser soze View Post
    It would have much better potential in Doubles if paired with a Discharge user, but sadly there are no -Ground-type Soak users :/
    IIRC Lightningrod Seaking isn't hurt by electric moves

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    Soak might be useless, but it can't be as useless as Splash. XD

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    Maybe if you could turn pokemon into other types as well, it would be good. Otherwise, its nice to take away STAB sometimes.


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    I don't see how Soak would make Shedinja immortal. If anything, it'd get new weaknesses. Anyway, it's pretty useless most of the time. You can just switch and the effect will wear off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PikaPika677 View Post
    I don't see how Soak would make Shedinja immortal. If anything, it'd get new weaknesses. Anyway, it's pretty useless most of the time. You can just switch and the effect will wear off.
    The idea is to reduce the amount of weakensses it has. 2 is less than 5, and their idea of a switch-in probably has less of a chance to carry a Grass or Electric move. However, since you probably are playing Doubles, then they will probably be switching a G/W mon to counter your Water type. Plus you lose STAB, which really helps when you're running Shadow Sneak.

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