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    So it's basically 90% the same as Black the other 10% being the opening and the other slight changes depending on which one your watching. It's still as the problems of,

    TR being useless

    The major plothole of the King not leaving any instructions that moving the castle was a bad idea, & to take down the barrier so Victini isn't trapped.

    Ash being a Gary Sue

    In the end the movies very basic with typical contrived writing for the Pokemon series, it does a good job of showing off Victini, Reshiram, & Zekrom.
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    I've watched it at the cinemas, in Australia in was released on Feb 18th and 19th. It was an excellent pokemon film . However it was a DVD version playing which made the image not sharp and kinda blurry. it look kinda bad in a Hoyts Cinema Screen. Couldn't they play the Blu-Ray version to improve the quality?. And near the end of the credits they turned off the projector :/. That annoyed me.

    However I was very happy to have watched a Pokemon Movie at the cinemas again. worth it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by toxictwinkie View Post
    I've watched it at the cinemas, in Australia in was released on Feb 18th and 19th. It was an excellent pokemon film . However it was a DVD version playing which made the image not sharp and kinda blurry. it look kinda bad in a Hoyts Cinema Screen. Couldn't they play the Blu-Ray version to improve the quality?. And near the end of the credits they turned off the projector :/. That annoyed me.

    However I was very happy to have watched a Pokemon Movie at the cinemas again. worth it!
    Hahahaha! You know you've went to a crap movie theatre when THAT happens... Honestly, if they chose to play of a DVD, rather then original film, or MEMORY BANK, then that's just pathetic...

    Eitherway, gonna watch it as it starts airing on TvTokyo...

    Really like the animation of Reshiram in this movie. Especially how it awakens and shows up when Zekrom is about the finish Golurk. I'm more of a guy that likes Zekrom, so I'm actually quite surprised. Oh well, animation always has made people love certain pokemon more. I remember hating Stantler ingame, but that episode with Brock made me quite endearing to it...
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    This movie was... meh. For some reason nothing about it grabbed me. It wasn't bad per se, just nothing in it made me want to like it. None of the characters were interesting to me (really miss Brock, and don't care for Iris at all). Victini is one of those legendaries that just isn't that appealing to me, though it was slightly cute in the movie. Never liked the design for Reshiram (it's so... weird), and it isn't any better in the movie. I had a hard time keeping my attention watching this, I missed a bunch of the story, so I had no idea what exactly was going on. And what happened to the music? All I heard were some songs that didn't sound like Pokémon at all and were just there in the background.
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    This movie is the only good movie from the BW saga in my opinion. It has excellent animation and a good plot, which is why I enjoyed watching it.
    I liked Ash and Victini's interactions throughout the movie, the bond between them was much better than Dawn and Shaymin's bond in the 11th movie. Seeing Ash riding on Zekrom was awsome as well. It's nice to have a character(Damien)who's both good and evil in his actions. Ash trying to make Damien realize his mistakes was cool. he did realize his mistakes and tried to fix it. Also, the scene with Ash, Pikachu and Victini trapped in those pillars of protection was pretty intense, Ash's English VA Sarah did a great job voicing him in that scene. I thought Victini died, but thankfully it was fine and alive. The last scene between Ash and Victini near the ocean was touching.

    I really liked this movie's opening song "Black and White" and ending song "Follow Your Star", both songs are great and goes well with the movie.

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    I finally saw this movie years after its release and I actually liked it. Seeing Reshiram appear in the desert and attack the Bouffalant stampede on Damon's command was great, and Eindoak Town looked pretty as well. Seeing Victini snatch Ash's macaroons made me cackle, and I liked Iris's reaction to seeing Carlita's Shiny Hydreigon. I cheered so loud when Oshawott beat Emboar in the tournament; unlike Tepig and Scraggy, he didn't need Victini's hax to win his battle.~ Anyway, I was surprised that a barrier prevented Victini from leaving Eindoak Town, and learning about Victini's past as well as about the Hero of Ideals and Hero of Truth's Reshiram and Zekrom was informative. I thought Damon's flashback was cliche, but seeing Reshiram awaken from the Light Stone slayed. Damon's plan to use Victini's power along with the other Psychic Pokemon's powers to levitate the Sword of the Vale made me cackle; it was so overly-dramatic. I also screamed when Damon's mom's Golurk flopped against Reshiram; poor her. Seeing Zekrom awaken and clash with Reshiram was fun to watch, and I especially liked how their attacks made the clouds part. Damon realizing his mistake and Zekrom and Reshiram teaming up against the Dragon Force was unfortunate and anti-climactic in my view. Alas. The scenes with the Sword of the Vale in the stratosphere and Victini saving Ash were pretty though. Too bad that the movie ended with Zekrom and Reshiram speeding off instead of a proper goodbye scene between Ash and friends and Victini. Overall, I liked the animation and BGM here.

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    I wondered if they pretty much contradicted this movie didn't exist with the anime? I am working my way through the adventures in Unova episodes and the episode with N they pretty much acted like this movie didn't exist. Acting like Ash only saw Zekrom in the first episode, that they'd never seen Reshiram before at all. Not only was it implied once but at least a few times. I know the canon status of the movies is pretty up in the air but this time around seems like they pretty much took it out. Saw this thread about M14 and wanted to see what everyone thought. Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lange View Post
    I wondered if they pretty much contradicted this movie didn't exist with the anime? I am working my way through the adventures in Unova episodes and the episode with N they pretty much acted like this movie didn't exist. Acting like Ash only saw Zekrom in the first episode, that they'd never seen Reshiram before at all. Not only was it implied once but at least a few times. I know the canon status of the movies is pretty up in the air but this time around seems like they pretty much took it out. Saw this thread about M14 and wanted to see what everyone thought. Thanks
    Yes, I noticed this about those episodes too. Usually, they would make it more vague whether the movies are connected to the anime or not. But also in the N arc, there was a Genesect flashback in the anime that was connected to the Genesect movie so the writers must have forgotten about the Black and White movies or chose to ignore it because it was too complicated to incorporate into the anime without a lot of explanations.

    Anyway, I rewatched the movie for the second time in a few years, this time seeing the White version and found it so boring this time around. The longer running time didn't help. The villain was boring, there was too much back story that wasn't interesting to begin with, and the setting was uninspired. The only good parts were Reshiram and Zekrom. Probably the worse Pokemon movie and most of them are good.
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    I liked seeing a shiny Hydreigon here as well as when Victini powered up Ash's Tepig hee hee. Victini eating macarons was cute, plus Damon was an interesting villain and I liked watching Reshiram and Zekrom in action.

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    What I liked the most here was how Victini was both cute and useful with his powers + Ash almost freezing to death in the sky was very suspenseful.

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    What I enjoyed about this movie was Victini, which was cute and powerful in a way in the movie with its obsession with macaroons and using seemingly intense moves like Searing Shot and V-create. I also enjoyed the shiny Pokémon in the movie too and I liked how they were version exclusive.

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    This was the first Pokemon movie I've seen in a theater since the 4th movie. The story was okay. Too bad that the movie ended with Zekrom and Reshiram speeding off instead of a proper goodbye scene between Ash and friends and Victini.

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    Many of these movies fall into the trap of turning the human CotDs into the de facto protagonists. No matter how much screen time is given over to the main cast, those humans end up being the ones personally involved in the central conflict. Ash and friends end up along for the ride, with Ash serving as a deus ex machina in an often unsatisfying fashion from a dramatic standpoint.

    I’ve brought that up before, and such is the case here, at first glance. But there are two key differences. The first is that the CotDs on-hand here end up being the antagonists. The second is that Ash’s involvement feels much more compelling here, because his bond with Victini is so well-handled.
    In a way, Ash and Victini’s relationship here is a lot like what he had with Latias in Pokemon Heroes. But Victini has a reason to be so affectionate towards Ash; its witnessing his heroism. And the way their bond is incorporated into the plot as a whole is much more effective. Victini itself is absolutely adorable. It’s one of the sweetest Pokemon I’ve seen, its shy playfulness is irresistible, and the decision to saddle it with a rather bleak backstory (she finds the king’s body!) was a bit of a shock. Telling that story via a book is another thing that lends a Heroes vibe to this film, and it’s done very well.

    White also has gorgeous art direction. The combination of an American West-style aesthetic in the beginning with a Western/Northern European kingdom is odd, but it works. And Reshiram has one of the most intriguing designs of any Pokemon from its generation. I confess that seeing that Pokemon in action was the one thing about this movie I was most keen on. It wasn’t until seeing this film that I realized there was a huge, mechanical-looking rocket in its tail, which really doesn’t work with the rest of the design.

    But while there’s a lot to recommend in this film, it’s got it’s fair share of problems too. The dub is very hit-and-miss. Victini’s trills are sweet and the main cast holds down the fort, but Zekrom’s voice is unintentionally comical. Damon’s voice is dull as bricks, and when coupled with a bland personality, the end result is that one of the central characters is utterly dull. The rest of his family isn’t all that remarkable either. I’ve enjoyed CotDs like Alberto, and others have mattered to their plots, but to date, only Revelation Lugia has succeeded at having interesting, likable CotDs who matter to the story without taking over the through-line of the conflict IMO.

    There’s a bigger problem with Damon’s conflict, and it’s his needless cruelty. You can’t say he tortures and plans to sacrifice Victini because he’s a bad guy; he’s not malicious. But there’s no given reason for him to assume that Victini wouldn’t help him if he asked. Once the little guy gets over its shyness, he can’t wait to lend a hand to everyone else. To give Damon’s actions believability, his choice to take Victini so forcefully needed justification.

    The pacing of this film, like so many of the others, is also rather sluggish at times. The fights in the castle tower are some of the worst offending scenes, oddly enough, thanks to awkward cutaways slowing the action.

    And I really thought that the TRio were going to step up and serve as the main villains for once. They had some good scenes and build-up in the front half of the story. But nope - they’re as expendable here as in nearly every other pokefilm.

    Some additional thoughts:

    - The credits are awkwardly placed here. By the time it pops up, so much time has been spent in the actual story that it becomes an unwelcome interruption.

    - "I’m fulfilling my mother’s dream - how could that be wrong?“ When you use Psychic on your mother while doing it, that’s how!

    - The name introductions are a weird piece of formula. I’m not sure how you could avoid it, but it gets old. Especially when it happens more than once in the movie.

    - I’m starting to get a list going of how many names are pronounced differently than I thought they’d be when I first saw them spelled out. Unova is OON-oh-vah rather than ooh-NO-vah, Cilan is CY-lan rather than KEY-lan, Milotic is MIL-oh-tic rather than mil-AUH-tic (I know Milotic doesn’t appear in this movie; that one’s just been bugging me for a while.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mega Altaria View Post
    What I enjoyed about this movie was Victini, which was cute and powerful in a way in the movie with its obsession with macaroons and using seemingly intense moves like Searing Shot and V-create.
    While I liked Victini's actual powers and its ability to share said powers with other Pokemon like we saw with Pokabu, its personality seemed lacking to me. Its love of macaroons was adorable sure, but Victini seemed too much like Jirachi and Celebi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lange View Post
    I wondered if they pretty much contradicted this movie didn't exist with the anime? I am working my way through the adventures in Unova episodes and the episode with N they pretty much acted like this movie didn't exist. Acting like Ash only saw Zekrom in the first episode, that they'd never seen Reshiram before at all. Not only was it implied once but at least a few times. I know the canon status of the movies is pretty up in the air but this time around seems like they pretty much took it out. Saw this thread about M14 and wanted to see what everyone thought. Thanks
    The fact that this movie has two different versions makes me doubt that either of them are canon. There are just too many contradictions.

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