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    People, Cartoon Network cut out less than 5 minutes of material.

    None of those scenes were really important.

    This isn't like the Zoroark scene removal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lolipiece View Post
    People, Cartoon Network cut out less than 5 minutes of material.

    None of those scenes were really important.

    This isn't like the Zoroark scene removal.
    No, none of the individual scenes were important. But making five minutes of random cuts makes the rest of the movie choppy to watch. The editing wasn't even done well; you could listen and hear numerous music jumps.

    The reason why I said they haven't learned anything is because they did it for the same reason they did it last time, to shove a short piece of original programming into the time slot. PCI doesn't contract CN to air these movies just to have them cut up so they'll under-run their slot, so it doesn't matter if the time cut is five minutes or fifteen.

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    It was annoying when they said "macaron". Last time I checked, it was "macaroon", Haha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stanleysmith View Post
    It was annoying when they said "macaron". Last time I checked, it was "macaroon", Haha.
    You do know there Macaroons and Macarons are two different things right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marbi Z View Post
    I missed the first half hour :-/ Would've missed it completely if my friend KingZekrom333 hadn't called. Thanks KingZekrom! I'll definitely get them both when they come out on DVD!
    Search it up on youtube all 6 parts are there and also change the filter to uploaded today, piece of cake!

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    Was it me or was Damon's hair colors swaped in this one?
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    I saw the Reshiram movie last night on CN too. The last movie I bought was movie 9, and I've been searching for the rest since (no luck). But once the two movies come out on DVD (or blu-ray), I'm going to buy them no doubt! They were pretty good!

    ...It kinda felt like they cut some stuff out, probably to fit the timeslots or something. I don't know.
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    Stupid double post! Sorry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marbi Z View Post
    Was it me or was Damon's hair colors swaped in this one?
    So I wasn't the only one that noticed something was wrong with his hair...
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    well, of course its better then the 13th !! in terms of art work,its the best Japanese animated film I've ever seen.

    in terms of directing and writing,it was a complete mess up!!, FOR GOD'S SAKE WTF IS " Dragon force" of the planet,come on !! being a children's movie is not an excuse,childerens are not that stupid !!!I mean enough of those random energy fields,the victini that is fire type and is some how able to restore the land !!!,a hologram invented a 10000 years ago,rly WTF we are not that stupid, writers!!



    Also the movie didn't answer any question which I'm sure everybody was asking:

    1.how the king was able to lift the castle ? is he some kind of magician ??

    2.why was victini trapped inside the barrier ? I need an explanation for this,not just he was trapped and that's all ??

    3.why was that "dragon force" upset when the castle was moved ??

    4.what the ideal and truth have to do with the film story ??


    I think the writers tried do make a deep plot,with a compex story,and at the sometime simple for kids,and they failed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alypkmn View Post
    in terms of directing and writing,it was a complete mess up!!, FOR GOD'S SAKE WTF IS " Dragon force" of the planet,come on !! being a children's movie is not an excuse,childerens are not that stupid !!!I mean enough of those random energy fields,the victini that is fire type and is some how able to restore the land !!!,a hologram invented a 10000 years ago,rly WTF we are not that stupid, writers!!
    Saying this is like saying the whole Pokemon anime is a mess up.

    You really think people can capture and turn creatures into energy which go into a ball?

    You think a creature can physically create floods of water from inside it's stomach and fire at free will?

    You think a creature can genuinly cause you to travel through time?

    You thi- I could go on and on and on.

    Also the movie didn't answer any question which I'm sure everybody was asking:

    1.how the king was able to lift the castle ? is he some kind of magician ??
    Sigilyph and the endless amount of Duosions used Psychic, Victini's power also helped.

    2.why was victini trapped inside the barrier ? I need an explanation for this,not just he was trapped and that's all ??
    When the king sealed the dragon force the first time, Victini's power was used and needed to stay in Eindoak in order to keep the seal, it was the only way and the King was sorry he had to do it.

    3.why was that "dragon force" upset when the castle was moved ??
    Because it was sealed when it went out of control thousands of years ago, once the seal was broken chaos was let loose.

    4.what the ideal and truth have to do with the film story ??
    The dragons ask Ash what his Ideals/Truths are and he says he wants to help Victini and help get it to the Ocean.

    Damons Ideals/Truths are to get the kingdom of the vale back to it's people.

    I think the writers tried do make a deep plot,with a compex story,and at the sometime simple for kids,and they failed.
    Actually I think it worked very well, this is the first time i've enjoyed one of the more recent movies this much in a long time.

    This is definetly in my top 5.

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    @alypkmn: I think we got a satisfying answer to at least your first question. As I understood it, placing Victini in that contraption allowed it to spread its "power to create success" or however you'd like to say it, to all of the Psychic Pokemon in the castle. When all of them were powered up by Victini (and there were hundreds, gosh), their combined, boosted psychic attacks could levitate the castle.


    As for the rest of the movie, I have a few comments.

    First, the opening battle montage seemed a little on the short side. I know there were a couple of battles ended by Victini's boosting up the Pokemon, but to still have a battle composed of one or two moves is disappointing. It would have been nice to see the evolved starters, Hydreigon, and all the rest actually moving around and doing things. I also noticed the animation during some of this montage was unusual - when Oshawott beat Emboar and jumped into Ash's arms, it looked a little floppy. So with Scraggy at times. Very weird. =s

    Second, I am extremely glad that they didn't give Victini telepathy. I am quite sick of every small featured Pokemon having the voice and attitude of a six year-old girl. Voices for Zekrom and Reshiram were not bad, I suppose. I actually sort of enjoyed Zekrom's line at the beginning, about how "Beyond hope, you will find your ideals" or however he said it. But given that those two could speak, it would have been nice if we'd gotten to hear them explain themselves a bit better. A short clip of "Be courageous! Follow your truth/ideal!" while inspirational music plays does not an interesting dragon make.

    Third, this plot was marginally better, imo, than many of the recent ones. Once again, we had Ash in a unique position to save the whole world; that's much more enjoyable than Ash being a heroic but expendable bystander while Bad Guy #2756 tries to take advantage of Legendary Pokemon #27 which will pretty much just knock out a single town or a special building/person. Forgive me, I like Poke-drama on a grander scale. And we saw Ash in very believably real danger, namely, being stranded alone on the cusp of Earth's atmosphere, running out of heat and oxygen while even Legendary Pokemon trying their hardest couldn't save him. There's something about being lost alone in space that strikes me as profoundly tragic, so maybe that's why I took to it so well.

    The only thing is, except for some pretty purple lines tracing across a few dozen acres of land, the whole "destroying the whole world" aspect wasn't expressed. The best cinematic world-destroying expression in this franchise is and always has been the oceanic and climatic turmoil of the 2nd movie, so there's quite a standard to measure the others by.



    A final note: It bothered me how little everyone seemed to care about Golurk. The poor thing took on Zekrom all by itself thousands of feet in the air not once, but twice, and when it dropped out of the sky like dead weight both times, no one so much as shed a tear. When it came back after that second time, its owner didn't even ask if it was okay, she just returned it to its Pokeball and said it did fine. I felt so bad for Golurk. =/
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    Quote Originally Posted by stanleysmith View Post
    It was annoying when they said "macaron". Last time I checked, it was "macaroon", Haha.
    you would be wrong ha ha!


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    But anyways the only thing i did not like about the movie was no follow up to the tournamen thing.. didAsh win or what? I know the website says he did but it does not show this... it id not show it in white version either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Profesco View Post
    Second, I am extremely glad that they didn't give Victini telepathy. I am quite sick of every small featured Pokemon having the voice and attitude of a six year-old girl. Voices for Zekrom and Reshiram were not bad, I suppose. I actually sort of enjoyed Zekrom's line at the beginning, about how "Beyond hope, you will find your ideals" or however he said it.
    Yes I agree with these points so much. Looks at Shaymin, Zorua, Manaphy, Jirachi....

    Zekrom and Reshirams voices were fine, it suits the more larger legendaries with telepathy more.

    Third, this plot was marginally better, imo, than many of the recent ones. Once again, we had Ash in a unique position to save the whole world; that's much more enjoyable than Ash being a heroic but expendable bystander while Bad Guy #2756 tries to take advantage of Legendary Pokemon #27 which will pretty much just knock out a single town or a special building/person. Forgive me, I like Poke-drama on a grander scale. And we saw Ash in very believably real danger, namely, being stranded alone on the cusp of Earth's atmosphere, running out of heat and oxygen while even Legendary Pokemon trying their hardest couldn't save him. There's something about being lost alone in space that strikes me as profoundly tragic, so maybe that's why I took to it so well.
    These are my exact same opinions on this movie and the movies in general, weird haha.

    It's always nice to see Ash as the hero to save the world which unfotunately has only ever properly been shown in Movie 2.

    The fact Ash nearly dies brings the drama it's needed again in a long time just like in the first movie (which is ultimately the best no matter what anybody says).

    The only thing is, except for some pretty purple lines tracing across a few dozen acres of land, the whole "destroying the whole world" aspect wasn't expressed. The best cinematic world-destroying expression in this franchise is and always has been the oceanic and climatic turmoil of the 2nd movie, so there's quite a standard to measure the others by.
    Agree, I wish they had shown this better but eh it was still a big crisis with Ash travelling into space nearly dying.

    A final note: It bothered me how little everyone seemed to care about Golurk. The poor thing took on Zekrom all by itself thousands of feet in the air not once, but twice, and when it dropped out of the sky like dead weight both times, no one so much as shed a tear. When it came back after that second time, its owner didn't even ask if it was okay, she just returned it to its Pokeball and said it did fine. I felt so bad for Golurk. =/
    And once again, I thought this too.

    It fell out of the sky at one point through the clouds and nobody AT ALL shouted 'no!' or whined in sympathy, did nobody care?

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    I too thoguht that with Golurk.. I was like...Wow.. thanks for not caring that i just got smashed!


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    Quote Originally Posted by wiiboychris View Post
    Yes, I hate CN's clause to be annoying with its commercials. And because of that, I don't give a damn about how Level Up gives a really creepy depiction(sp?) of geeky people.
    Uh thats the thing every where, you get 20 minutes of commercials in one hour....


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    Quote Originally Posted by FILIP22 View Post
    Uh thats the thing every where, you get 20 minutes of commercials in one hour....
    Excuse me, but the commercials and the needless Regular Show clip skipped scenes within the movie, not to mention the interesting credits were sped-up. This kind of event doesn't even happen with normal shows, but it affects Pokemon movies really badly.

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    Watched this yesterday but only recently had time to post.

    - So... truthfully I didn't enjoy this movie as well as previous ones such as "Spell of the Unown". The plot was better than, say, "Pokemon Heroes", but the action wasn't fast enough for me. It was... too slow to be epic. XD Also, the whole "moving the castle" thing seemed a bit impossible. How could a single Sigilyph move a whole entire castle?

    - As people have said, I don't like how no one cared about Golurk...

    - And, of course, Cartoon Network sped up the credits. That's the ONE thing I can't stand about CN. Seriously, credits are important.

    - The movie had many redeeming qualities though. One is the epic extended theme song at the beginning, and another one is Victini NOT having telepathy - as Profesco said, I'm sick of little Pokemon sounding like whiny little girls. Victini's character is just so adorable, and makes you feel sad because it's trapped within the confines of the pillar things.

    - Reshiram and Zekrom were epic. Their introductions were really awesome parts of the movie and they had nice voices that were fit for larger legendary Pokemon, though I was expecting Reshiram to be female. Oh well...

    - The Damon guy (I'm not sure if I got his name right)... another redeeming quality. We finally have a villain who isn't really a villain - a good guy with good intentions, but he went too far in his pursuit for ideals. And best of all, he realized his mistakes and redeemed himself, something I unfortunately don't see much in Pokemon villains.

    - And finally, the heartbreaking scene where Ash almost dies and Victini almost gives up its life to save Ash. That was the climax, the best part of the movie. As other people have said, it reminds us of the first movie and almost made me cry.

    That was like a review for a fanfiction. XD
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    Eh it was an ok movie, the visuals were impressive, but the story was contrived & just bland. The whole premise for this movie could have been prevented if the stupid king who made the machine to move the castle had left specific instructions written down that the castle not be moved & to free Victini. They say that the carried an entire village of people in that castle when they moved it & the king not once thought to inform anyone that Victini should be freed after the castle is move & not to move the castle, this is just poor writing & make the movie feel rushed. Maybe we should focus less on putting TR into a story & actually make a coherent story suitable for a move of this type.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Battra View Post
    Eh it was an ok movie, the visuals were impressive, but the story was contrived & just bland. The whole premise for this movie could have been prevented if the stupid king who made the machine to move the castle had left specific instructions written down that the castle not be moved & to free Victini. They say that the carried an entire village of people in that castle when they moved it & the king not once thought to inform anyone that Victini should be freed after the castle is move & not to move the castle, this is just poor writing & make the movie feel rushed. Maybe we should focus less on putting TR into a story & actually make a coherent story suitable for a move of this type.
    Well god forbid someone who just died after doing that couldn't be able to tell anyone anything...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Articuno_rocks View Post
    Watched this yesterday but only recently had time to post.

    - So... truthfully I didn't enjoy this movie as well as previous ones such as "Spell of the Unown". The plot was better than, say, "Pokemon Heroes", but the action wasn't fast enough for me. It was... too slow to be epic. XD Also, the whole "moving the castle" thing seemed a bit impossible. How could a single Sigilyph move a whole entire castle?

    - As people have said, I don't like how no one cared about Golurk...

    - And, of course, Cartoon Network sped up the credits. That's the ONE thing I can't stand about CN. Seriously, credits are important.

    - The movie had many redeeming qualities though. One is the epic extended theme song at the beginning, and another one is Victini NOT having telepathy - as Profesco said, I'm sick of little Pokemon sounding like whiny little girls. Victini's character is just so adorable, and makes you feel sad because it's trapped within the confines of the pillar things.

    - Reshiram and Zekrom were epic. Their introductions were really awesome parts of the movie and they had nice voices that were fit for larger legendary Pokemon, though I was expecting Reshiram to be female. Oh well...

    - The Damon guy (I'm not sure if I got his name right)... another redeeming quality. We finally have a villain who isn't really a villain - a good guy with good intentions, but he went too far in his pursuit for ideals. And best of all, he realized his mistakes and redeemed himself, something I unfortunately don't see much in Pokemon villains.

    - And finally, the heartbreaking scene where Ash almost dies and Victini almost gives up its life to save Ash. That was the climax, the best part of the movie. As other people have said, it reminds us of the first movie and almost made me cry.

    That was like a review for a fanfiction. XD

    Sigilyph and I'm guessing you missed all those Duosion and solosis that helped as well.... and i think they just moved the pillars.. victini 's psychic power moved the castle..
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    did they only aired this movie??? not the other one??

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    Quote Originally Posted by lolipiece View Post
    Well god forbid someone who just died after doing that couldn't be able to tell anyone anything...
    Yes he died, but I doubt that he was the only person who built this incredible machine to harness Victini's energy & stop the Dragonforce from destroying the land, and we're supposed to believe that he told no one except Victini, or left any sort of instructions as to what purpose the castle was used for before he died.

    Also if Victini's the only one who knew this why did it wait for Ash to show up before showing the king's final words, we have an entire village of people that were moved with the castle & Victini never once tried to contact any of these people cause it was given specific instructions to wait until some kid from some completely different region to show up and save the world again.
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