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    The girl with the Jigglypuff, her face reminds me of the sex appeal character from that anime's face. Coincidence? I doubt it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ParaChomp View Post
    Coincidence?
    Probably, yes.



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    This game sounds fun as heck. I'm going to be really, really sad and upset if it doesn't come to the US. It looks so fun! I mean, there's a possibility that it might suck, but I'm up for trying anything, especially if it's related to Pokemon. And it looks REALLY fun, and I think it'll probably sell well, or at least not badly. Well, if it gets given a different name; I'm not sure how well it would sell under the title of "Nobunga's Ambition" in the US, where no one's ever heard of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oceanfur View Post
    And it looks REALLY fun, and I think it'll probably sell well, or at least not badly. Well, if it gets given a different name; I'm not sure how well it would sell under the title of "Nobunga's Ambition" in the US, where no one's ever heard of that.
    You act as if Nobunaga's Ambition is a series that has never been released in America before. Changing the title would not make a difference whatsoever and will only serve to anger fans. Not to mention, Koei would not allow that. Capcom vs Tatsunoko sold relatively well, despite the fact that most of the heroes from Tatsunoko are unknown to most people in the United States.

    Besides, gamers have heard of the name Nobunaga before, unless they're historically illiterate or my assumption that Sengoku Basara and Samurai Warriors are as popular as I believe they are.
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    I need to say, Smash Bros is a crossover, but different to any other crossover of two totally different gaming companies.

    Smash Bros is a crossover of characters that is ALL CAME FROM NINTENDO, so Nintendo as a gaming company has 100% full control and decision to decide how the game should be like, and how they should make it. Also, please understand, this game has more than 2 different game titles involved, so anyone should expected right from the start that the story is a cocktail. This is also true for almost all crossover games that has more than 2 different game titles.

    However, crossover that has two total different gaming companies involved are quite rare, the only ones I knew are Marvel vs Capcom, Kingdoms Heart, Mario & Sonic Olympic series, and the current Pokemon + Nobunaga's Ambition.
    These games all have several common points, which is they are all crossover of 2 (not 3 or more, but only 2), they are all collaboration of two different game companies, and most importantly, they seem to receive quite many critism before they release (not that I knew for Marvel vs Capcom, probably because that is a fighting game, so gamers won't mind very much. This also goes the same for Mario&Sonic Olympic series).

    My point is, you just can't compare Pokemon + Nobunaga's Ambition with Smash Bros, since it is a crossover of total different category. If you really need a comparison, the best to compare is only Kingdoms Heart. However, I personally think KH is a good crossover, because Disney's cartoons and FF series are both fantasy themes, so they can make good crossover.
    But...... I will not say that for this coming up Pokemon game. Pokemon and Nobunaga's Ambition has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in common, forcing these two title to make a crossover is just like mixing water with oil (or worse, with gasoline), they can't be mixed unless you add some extra catalyst.

    Whatever the result, this is not anything I can analyse further. The gamers response at the releslase day will tell the truth.

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    P.S. The official site of Pokemon+Nobunaga's Ambition had already renewed when I'm posting this post. Go and check the game system on how the game should play.
    but....... after I saw it, I became less interested about this game.
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    So evolution is in this game?

    Great. Now I can expect final forms of the Busho's Pokemon.

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    Yep. The trailer showed that Motochika starts with an Oshawott

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    The new trailer's awesome! Sanada Yukimura and Data Masamune appears! 8DDD Yukimura is the one with the Pokabu in the trailer, so I assume Yukimura's partner is Pokabu. Also appearing is Tachibana Ginchiyo, the lady with short brown hair and silver armour. The one with Ralts is Kanetsugu Naoe. Also Aya is shown, the lady in white. And a cameo of Arceus =O

    But damn, they revealed Yukimura already >w<

    Seems like it supports multiplayer too, but it doesn't say how. Most likely wireless though

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    Quote Originally Posted by neptune_84 View Post
    it is intresting that all the characters have a direct design from the toei games samurai and dynasty warrior games.

    i love pokemon games and i love the toei titles but i am not sure if mixing them is gonna be a good idea. to win me over they are gonna have to be very creative with this title.
    Don't you mean Koei?
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    By the way, this isn't the first time Koei has done a weird crossover-

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    So have all the leaders been revealed? Or were those 2-4 new characters just other NPCs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Satoshi View Post
    ...Yeah, this idea makes a lot of sense. Have you guys ever played any games from the Nobunaga's Ambition franchise? The gameplay is waaaaay too hardcore and complex for your average Pokemon fan to get. And I'm not even trying to be offensive here. You will literally be thrown outside your regular playing field and will feel like a fish out of water. The only reason Pokemon Mystery Dungeon worked so well with the Fushigi no Dungeon gameplay is because it's a roguelike, which generally works well with any fantasy setting.

    They will either dumb it down, which will leave fans of Nobunaga's Ambition extremely pissed, or they will keep it as is and the Pokemon fans that have never played a complicated strategy RPG will complain that it's too hard (which is probably a high percentage of western Pokemon fans).

    Yes, this will totally work.

    Next thing you'll know Tecmo will be crossing Pokemon over with Fatal Frame. EXORCISING GHASTLYS WITH A CAMERA OBSCURA. I CAN'T WAIT.
    I'm actually impressed with it. It reminds of battle realms in a way, kind of gives me a basic amount of experience of Nobunaga's gameplay even if I never tried one.

    The critical observations and resorts after watchin the youtube and reading your review:

    a. I TRULY agree with your point. It is good that you pointed out the playing styles of some of the gamers all over the world. There are instant players who rather act before they think , AKA instant response(action games like Marvel vs. Capcom, Mortal Kombat, God of War, Mad World, you name them...), players who favor edutainment (scribblenauts, tetris, Sims, Wii Sports would be examples), players who are managers and strategists that can plan scenarios any time of any kind of scenario whether it is history or fantasy(Nobunaga's Ambition, Fire Emblem, World of Warcraft, Battle Realms, Star Craft, and Civilization reflect these kinds of people), players who militiate with guns (COD, Battlefield, Medal of Honor, Gears of war, you name them ...), players who prefer story and literature with exploration (Uncharted series, Pokemon Main Series, The Legend of Zelda series, Digimon series, Final Fantasy Series, you name them...), and many more other styles.

    B. The situation of the Game's gameplay is going to be a stalemate. Both fan's POV will be clear for sure. One finds it less of a challenge while the other will most likely ragequit via insane difficulty (yes. that's my first experience with fire emblem shadow dragon and battle realms. But I got over it and been loving strategy too, second to My favorite genre of RPG). Seriously, I'm now practicing Radiant Dawn of FE in normal difficulty, to where I'm stuck on prison right now.

    C. IF THEY ARE RELEASING 2 VERSIONS LIKE THE PMD, this could be a chance to have one side play the Nobunaga difficulty while the other one has pokemon difficulty and unlock it's opposite after a certain achievement. Most like impossible to happen in my opinion.

    d. So, now I come to the possibility of mending 2 gamestyles: a 'turn based strategy - RPG' pokemon with a 'Command 1000 army/civilization - strategy' nobunaga's ambition. What could be the speculating possibilities:

    1. We may see humans riding flying types firing arrows, or carrying close combat weapons. But it could be like a braviary tossing a geodude to the inner castle and the geo will use explosion in poke terms.

    2. We may see swarms of Volbeat and Illumise firing signal beams like arrows. Could be the same to rock types firing Rock blasts and power Gems. Grass types firing bullet seeds.

    3. Bug types may use pin missiles like javelins.

    4. Psycho Cut, Leaf blade, and X-scissor may play like swords.

    5. The psychic types may act as the clerics or (most likely never allowed on N.A. terms) fight like sages and sorcerers.

    6. Poison pokemon may plague the city and poison a kingdom's food supply.

    7. Fire types may act like the fire arrows.

    8. Water type pokemon may act as transportation on water with fellow pokemon on top.

    e. When I watched the 2nd PNA(Pokemon+Nobunaga's Ambition) trailer, it somehow mended Mystery dungeon + Fire Emblem + Pokemon + Nobunaga's Ambition + Final Fantasy Tactics gameplay. Huge similarities when each cutscene is divided.

    f. The contradiction: Could it be Pokemon's time to join forces with a New ally (Nobunaga's Ambition) who sides on bloody war to control and unite Japan as a whole? (Wow Philippines never had this before the spanish came via 7107 islands).
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    With all this bickering going on this way and that about "This game is gonna suck!" or "This game is gonna rule!", and the various debates about how these two vastly different series mesh together, I think an important question has been overlooked.

    As long as it's fun and has good gameplay, is there any reason not to like it? It'd be a truely petty reason not to like it just because it's a crossover title with a series that admittedly few have heard of (Which is a shame, Nobunaga's Ambition is incredibly deep.) and don't give a fair chance to. Let's reserve judgement for when the game is actually available in Japan or in the US, shall we?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tails52 View Post
    With all this bickering going on this way and that about "This game is gonna suck!" or "This game is gonna rule!", and the various debates about how these two vastly different series mesh together, I think an important question has been overlooked.

    As long as it's fun and has good gameplay, is there any reason not to like it? It'd be a truly petty reason not to like it just because it's a crossover title with a series that admittedly few have heard of (Which is a shame, Nobunaga's Ambition is incredibly deep.) and don't give a fair chance to. Let's reserve judgement for when the game is actually available in Japan or in the US, shall we?
    Of course my review is on how I observe at first. But of course we know that some of us love to speculate with the amount of knowledge and experience that web had as gamers of any race. If it can deliver their fun and challenge level, this may release a new crossroad to a widespread audience. ( a gut feeling that adults and teenagers may reconsider buying other than the main series that is fun and challenging. Just like how diamond brought back the adults to how serious mathematic lessons to use EVs and IVs in competitive)

    If you've seen my review above your post, I had mixed speculation of both positive and negative debaters. I review whatever they try to release but not on full answers yet. Which is why I patiently wait on how the crossover game impact us. Every advertisement that they show can be reflected to must of us as a puzzle that they are constructing for us and let us figure on how it will turn out

    Somehow like kingdom Hearts' case in early development that fans of both sides are having similar to arguments that we have now (correct me if I'm wrong. But I bet mixing a childish field of disney with a teenage hot looking characters of final fantasy are a tough mesh that became successful in the day of release. Look at sora, he had some color of the disney while donald and goofy and mickey had a some stronger teenage (possibly adult) personality and fighting skills). Just like how real people of Nobunaga meets fantasy pokemon creatures tying to Unite Japan under your/Nobunaga's name
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    Quote Originally Posted by jireh the provider View Post
    Of course my review is on how I observe at first. But of course we know that some of us love to speculate with the amount of knowledge and experience that web had as gamers of any race. If it can deliver their fun and challenge level, this may release a new crossroad to a widespread audience. ( a gut feeling that adults and teenagers may reconsider buying other than the main series that is fun and challenging. Just like how diamond brought back the adults to how serious mathematic lessons to use EVs and IVs in competitive)

    If you've seen my review above your post, I had mixed speculation of both positive and negative debaters. I review whatever they try to release but not on full answers yet. Which is why I patiently wait on how the crossover game impact us. Every advertisement that they show can be reflected to must of us as a puzzle that they are constructing for us and let us figure on how it will turn out

    Somehow like kingdom Hearts' case in early development that fans of both sides are having similar to arguments that we have now (correct me if I'm wrong. But I bet mixing a childish field of disney with a teenage hot looking characters of final fantasy are a tough mesh that became successful in the day of release. Look at sora, he had some color of the disney while donald and goofy and mickey had a some stronger teenage (possibly adult) personality and fighting skills). Just like how real people of Nobunaga meets fantasy pokemon creatures tying to Unite Japan under your/Nobunaga's name
    Kingdom Hearts is a very good comparison to this mesh up. It could end up being spectacular like the Super Robot Taisen series (Even though Pokemon and Nobunaga's Ambition are on two complete different ends of the spectrum). If anyone hasn't played a Koei game like Nobunaga's Ambition, the closest thing to it is Romance of the Three Kingdoms. You can pick it up on the iOS App Store for a pittance and see what it's all about. It's deep and quite fun. Think of it in somewhat of the same vein as civilization except with emphasis more on conquest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tails52 View Post
    Kingdom Hearts is a very good comparison to this mesh up. It could end up being spectacular like the Super Robot Taisen series (Even though Pokemon and Nobunaga's Ambition are on two complete different ends of the spectrum). If anyone hasn't played a Koei game like Nobunaga's Ambition, the closest thing to it is Romance of the Three Kingdoms. You can pick it up on the iOS App Store for a pittance and see what it's all about. It's deep and quite fun. Think of it in somewhat of the same vein as civilization except with emphasis more on conquest.
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    Correct me if I am waaaay wrong, but the game kinda reminds me a little bit of advanced wars and games like that. I didn't know anything about the series before this. So does it play slightly like those games or am I completely off the mark?

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    To me, this is the worst pokemon spin-off game I have seen, I am not gonna buy this because the gameplay doesn't look good and I have no idea what Nobunaga Ambition is but I hate that it crossed over with pokemon. It should had been a Mystery Dungeon, Ranger or some other spin-off or a main series game. I rate this 0/10.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexander18 View Post
    To me, this is the worst pokemon spin-off game I have seen, I am not gonna buy this because the gameplay doesn't look good and I have no idea what Nobunaga Ambition is but I hate that it crossed over with pokemon. It should had been a Mystery Dungeon, Ranger or some other spin-off or a main series game. I rate this 0/10.
    Thank you for judging something that hasn't even come out yet.

    I'm sure your opinion on something that we barely know about really matters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lolipiece View Post
    Thank you for judging something that hasn't even come out yet.

    I'm sure your opinion on something that we barely know about really matters.
    All I am saying is that the game doesn't appeal to me because it crosses over with another game I never heard of. And you are right, it is just my opinion, I am just expressing how I feel about this kind of game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexander18 View Post
    All I am saying is that the game doesn't appeal to me because it crosses over with another game I never heard of.
    That you say this but then complain that "It should had [sic] been a Mystery Dungeon" is positively staggering irony.

    One would hope you see everything wrong with taking a giant dump on a game for the litany of poor reasons you've listed.



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    Quote Originally Posted by BCVM22 View Post
    That you say this but then complain that "It should had [sic] been a Mystery Dungeon" is positively staggering irony.

    One would hope you see everything wrong with taking a giant dump on a game for the litany of poor reasons you've listed.
    No, Mystery Dungeon was fine with me cause its gameplay appeal to me and my reasons are not poor, I just don't like the look of the game and gameplay of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexander18 View Post
    No, Mystery Dungeon was fine with me cause its gameplay appeal to me
    You're missing the point entirely. The PMD games are, conceptually, exactly what P + NA is: the fusing of Pokémon and another, unrelated series of games.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mystery_Dungeon

    That's why it's ironic and poorly-founded that you would decry P + NA on the basis of being a crossover with another series.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alexander18 View Post
    and my reasons are not poor
    Except for all of them, sure.

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    I just don't like the look of the game and gameplay of it.
    And that's fine, but that does not equate in the slightest to the dumping you're electing to do on the game.



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    Quote Originally Posted by BCVM22 View Post
    You're missing the point entirely. The PMD games are, conceptually, exactly what P + NA is: the fusing of Pokémon and another, unrelated series of games.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mystery_Dungeon

    That's why it's ironic and poorly-founded that you would decry P + NA on the basis of being a crossover with another series.



    Except for all of them, sure.



    And that's fine, but that does not equate in the slightest to the dumping you're electing to do on the game.
    Well we can all agree to disagree, I have no problem with mystery dungeon but I still dislike this new game, my opinion of course.
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    I think that it will be a "good" game, but VERY hardcore as has been said before, but i think that they will low-er the hardness due to nintendo "thinking" the avarge age of every pokemon player is 5 :/ but i think it will still be hard :P i really hope that, i like games that arn't just COD and you have to know the buttons, have the ability to shoot the right side of a barn and train for like 2 hours. i hate these games but games like: nobunga ambition, mega man (the most pure test of a true gamer), some legend of zelda games, and much more!

    the 2 thinks i hope and expect are: VERY hard diffaculty and ffun gameplay :P
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