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    Quote Originally Posted by Hydrohs View Post
    You're mistaken there, games are actually cheaper, for the most part. For example: N64 games were ~$70-$80.
    I'm not too sure that this was the case for all the games on the N64. And even if it were, I can't imagine there were a lot of consumers that wanted to pay that much for a game. A price tag does not guarantee profit, and that wasn't what I was talking about.

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    Where's the extra two coming from?
    Ok. They had NSMB U and Nintendoland out at launch, right? If Mario 3D Land and Zelda had come out at launch too, they would have four games out at launch, right? Therefore, that must mean that they would have made more money when the console launched. AND they would have been working on the next games AFTER those right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SBaby View Post
    Ok. They had NSMB U and Nintendoland out at launch, right? If Mario 3D Land and Zelda had come out at launch too, they would have four games out at launch, right? Therefore, that must mean that they would have made more money when the console launched. AND they would have been working on the next games AFTER those right now.
    Posted something before, and it takes time to make games. Wind Waker HD is your good ol' delay tactic, or in friendlier terms, something to enjoy while you wait.

    They have quite a few people working on Zelda HD, and also: Pikmin 3 exists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psychic Politoed View Post
    Posted something before, and it takes time to make games. Wind Waker HD is your good ol' delay tactic, or in friendlier terms, something to enjoy while you wait.
    And I ask you. What is the name of the Zelda game that Windwaker HD is supposedly a delay tactic for?


    You know, it's sad how many people are willing to blindly defend Nintendo when they make bad decisions. I love Nintendo too. I grew up with them. But I'm not so blinded by it that I won't call them out on things they should have been on the ball about, things everyone else WOULD have been on the ball about. I would do the same with any company. Look at how many posts I made about MS if you don't believe me.

    These fanatics are so blinded by their Holy Grail, that they're ignoring the facts. These are things that analysts who make 6 to 7 figures a year are saying (analysts who are not only product developers themselves, but are usually right about what they say; Sessler isn't the only person who's been saying this about Nintendo and he definitely wasn't the first person to say it), and people are just ignoring them.

    Now if it IS true as some say and it really does cost such a gargantuan amount of money to make games, then the Industry needs to crash. I'm not saying that it will this generation, or that I want it to. But it has to, in order to normalize things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SBaby View Post
    And I ask you. What is the name of the Zelda game that Windwaker HD is supposedly a delay tactic for?
    Eh, the new HD Zelda game that they said would take a while to make?

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    Okay, will both of you quit it. The only thing I see coming out of the debate between you two is more arguing tha5 may or maynot get this thread locked. So as an outs lemme give my thoughts on the matter.

    SBaby, what you're describing is essentially the short term affects. Hydrohs, you're viewing this in the long term. Both of you are right, it's due to your differing viewpoints that this argument has ballooned.

    Nintendo does value quality over all else. They won't pull a SEGA and release a poor quality game at release. They also had 3DS software in development at the time, which took away their resources. Unlike the two other companies, Nintendo had to focus their effort on two fronts. And before you point out the Vita, I'll say that the PS3 is getting way more love than the Vita is. Even the PS3 at launch didn't have many games on it. It wasn't until a year or two later that it began pickingup steam.

    Would Nintendo have benefitted from a later release? Definitely. However, certain games were in development at this point. The software lineup would have stayed same, just released at a different time.

    Also, I don't trust industry analyst. They are and have been wrong on multiple occasions. I won't name anyone but I assume you know who I speak of. Th3 gaming industry is dynamic and always changing. No one knows what's around the next corner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SBaby View Post
    Ok. They had NSMB U and Nintendoland out at launch, right? If Mario 3D Land and Zelda had come out at launch too, they would have four games out at launch, right? Therefore, that must mean that they would have made more money when the console launched. AND they would have been working on the next games AFTER those right now.
    And had they release Mario 3D Land they wouldn't have released NSMB U. Had the released a new Zelda, well that's just impossible. Skyward Sword was just finished recently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hydrohs View Post
    One game has to be finished before another starts.
    Says who? Insomniac frequently works on multiple games at once, and they have some of the best selling games on the market.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SBaby View Post
    Says who? Insomniac frequently works on multiple games at once, and they have some of the best selling games on the market.
    They have only 'frequently' done it very recently, and their more recent games are definitely not on the same quality level as Nintendo. Not to mention they likely have a larger team than what is typical with Nintendo. Insomniac employs about 180 people from what I can find, and based on the way Nintendo handles its studios I highly doubt they're able to fill each one with almost 200 people.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SBaby View Post
    Says who? Insomniac frequently works on multiple games at once, and they have some of the best selling games on the market.
    That's only one example out of how many videogame companies? If it works for them, then great. However they don't work on two games from the same franchise, do they?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grim Heaper View Post
    Okay, will both of you quit it. The only thing I see coming out of the debate between you two is more arguing tha5 may or maynot get this thread locked.
    I seriously doubt the mods are going to lock this thread, just because two people are giving constructive criticism on the company and the console in question on this topic. I don't really see us as arguing. We're just having a discussion. What I say might not always be what everyone wants to hear. But as I said before, I just tell it like it is.

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    Th3 gaming industry is dynamic and always changing.
    You hit the nail right on the head here. The Industry IS always changing and evolving. And companies have two choices when it comes to facing these changes. They can be stuck in the past, in terms of how they're organized (in which case they'll fall further and further behind, until the point where they're no longer relevant anymore; I've seen this happen), or they can keep up with the times and realize that sometimes new blood and a restructuring can be useful when developing technology that the older members of the company might not be completely familiar with. I'm not saying to fire the older members. What I am saying is to bring in new people, and let the older members learn from them. That's all I'm saying when it comes to learning the technology.


    As for the rest, here's an interesting video regarding Nintendo's image.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4KKLTEAeZA

    Really, I only posted this video to say apparently I was wrong about Zelda. There IS a mainstream title other than Windwaker HD coming out at some point...

    eventually...
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    The next time one of these YouTube videos has a point worth making and/or that can't be replicated just as capably with a few lines of text will in fact be the first time.



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    Quote Originally Posted by BCVM22 View Post
    The next time one of these YouTube videos has a point worth making and/or that can't be replicated just as capably with a few lines of text will in fact be the first time.
    The same could be said of news articles too. That's just the way it goes when discussions related to video game consoles happen. I was merely illustrating that there is indeed a mainstream Zelda game on the way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SBaby View Post
    The same could be said of news articles too.
    Not a bit. Do we need to list the differences between an objective news article - simple reporting of information and relevant quotations, in a written format that makes it easy for one to skim and pull out the key details in quick fashion - and a five minute YouTube video of... whomever that guy is... recording his voice and editorializing?

    It's night and day. SomeDudeZeroZero of the world-famous SomeDudesVideos.net.org.com recording what he thinks of "Nintendo's image" is not news, in the slightest.



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    Quote Originally Posted by SBaby View Post
    I was merely illustrating that there is indeed a mainstream Zelda game on the way.
    Which everyone knew.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BCVM22 View Post
    Not a bit. Do we need to list the differences between an objective news article - simple reporting of information and relevant quotations, in a written format that makes it easy for one to skim and pull out the key details in quick fashion - and a five minute YouTube video of... whomever that guy is... recording his voice and editorializing?
    First, there isn't enough of a difference to warrant derailing the topic. Second, if you want to compare news articles with youtube videos, go to the debate section. Really, I just want to talk about the Wii U and Nintendo. So yes, I will post more youtube videos if they have relevant information about the Wii U, Nintendo, or games for the Wii U. That is why this is a Wii U discussion thread. It's your choice if you want to watch them or not. Nobody's forcing you to.


    That said, I have another video about NINTENDO. It's not directly about the Wii U. But, it might have an impact on possible future games for the console.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbKDrH6W-Rw

    The reason this interests me is because if this turns out to be the case, then it is possible that Nintendo might be doing what some other major companies are doing and buying up all the third party companies they can get their hands on. It's an interesting tactic, and I look forward to seeing if this pans out for future games.
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    You do realize there is a reason why they'd be doing this, right? They aren't going to just buy all the third party companies they can, they'd be buying the company to protect their previous investment.

    And even then, it's just speculation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SBaby View Post
    First, there isn't enough of a difference to warrant derailing the topic.
    There's an immense difference. But okay.

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    Second, if you want to compare news articles with youtube videos, go to the debate section.
    Gonna not, but thanks.

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    Really, I just want to talk about the Wii U and Nintendo.
    And therein we find the problem. Posting a YouTube video - particularly when it, again, is not news and is just Schmucky McSchmuckSchmuck editorializing for five minutes - isn't actually talking about anything. It's just plopping down a steaming pile of irrelevancy and saying OKAY GUYS DISCUSS PLEASE. Do you not see how sourcing from better material, parts of which you could actually quote in the thread here, would result in considerably better discussion by a significant margin?

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    So yes, I will post more youtube videos if they have relevant information about the Wii U, Nintendo, or games for the Wii U. That is why this is a Wii U discussion thread. It's your choice if you want to watch them or not. Nobody's forcing you to.
    A video with relevant information has yet to actually be posted. And besides that, that's why your points are so often easy to overlook. Why should someone invest their time in a discussion, debate or otherwise, when it's A. not even completely relevant and B. not even being presented in full, forcing someone to waste their time wading through a video?

    If it is your preference to take the tact of "well I'm going to do this and you can't stop me nyah nyah" that's your prerogative, but it makes whatever you're saying that much more difficult to invest in. The video you just posted is a fantastic example - not only is the topic you're trying to discuss buried under minutes of YouTube sludge, but it's not even news. It's speculation. It's one guy hitting Record on his computer and saying HEY THIS IS WHAT I THINK COULD HAPPEN BASED ON NOTHING.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BCVM22 View Post
    There's an immense difference. But okay.



    Gonna not, but thanks.



    And therein we find the problem. Posting a YouTube video - particularly when it, again, is not news and is just Schmucky McSchmuckSchmuck editorializing for five minutes - isn't actually talking about anything. It's just plopping down a steaming pile of irrelevancy and saying OKAY GUYS DISCUSS PLEASE. Do you not see how sourcing from better material, parts of which you could actually quote in the thread here, would result in considerably better discussion by a significant margin?



    A video with relevant information has yet to actually be posted. And besides that, that's why your points are so often easy to overlook. Why should someone invest their time in a discussion, debate or otherwise, when it's A. not even completely relevant and B. not even being presented in full, forcing someone to waste their time wading through a video?

    If it is your preference to take the tact of "well I'm going to do this and you can't stop me nyah nyah" that's your prerogative, but it makes whatever you're saying that much more difficult to invest in. The video you just posted is a fantastic example - not only is the topic you're trying to discuss buried under minutes of YouTube sludge, but it's not even news. It's speculation. It's one guy hitting Record on his computer and saying HEY THIS IS WHAT I THINK COULD HAPPEN BASED ON NOTHING.
    Sorry, but I'm not going to be baited into this. This will be the last time I respond to you on this topic until you decide to start talking about things related to Nintendo or the Wii U again.


    Quote Originally Posted by Clamps View Post
    You do realize there is a reason why they'd be doing this, right? They aren't going to just buy all the third party companies they can, they'd be buying the company to protect their previous investment.
    That may be, but if they buy Atlus, then they have full reign over those games. That's why I find it interesting. There's a lot of potential there.


    Getting back to my original point that I started with, I'm not saying that the Wii U doesn't have potential or that it won't sell. I'm just saying that if they would have released one of their big games sooner, more people would've bought the console when they had the market essentially cornered.
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    You mistakenly believe that responding or not responding to me validates the topic on your end. You can not respond to me all you want - it doesn't make what you're attempting to post as discussion fodder any more legitimate.



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    Anyway, on to something a little different, so the topic doesn't get stale. What do you folks like the most about the Wii U, and why?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SBaby View Post
    First, there isn't enough of a difference to warrant derailing the topic. Second, if you want to compare news articles with youtube videos, go to the debate section. Really, I just want to talk about the Wii U and Nintendo. So yes, I will post more youtube videos if they have relevant information about the Wii U, Nintendo, or games for the Wii U. That is why this is a Wii U discussion thread. It's your choice if you want to watch them or not. Nobody's forcing you to.


    That said, I have another video about NINTENDO. It's not directly about the Wii U. But, it might have an impact on possible future games for the console.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbKDrH6W-Rw

    The reason this interests me is because if this turns out to be the case, then it is possible that Nintendo might be doing what some other major companies are doing and buying up all the third party companies they can get their hands on. It's an interesting tactic, and I look forward to seeing if this pans out for future games.
    Complete speculation, doesn't even have to do with the Wii U itself. And even if one small part of this is about the Wii U, it doesn't mean that this whole video is about this. This is about Nintendo as a company, and speculation on a current event.

    Besides, we have an topic on this in the OVGD already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SBaby View Post
    Anyway, on to something a little different, so the topic doesn't get stale. What do you folks like the most about the Wii U, and why?
    That GamePad because it's close to a handheld hybrid. I trolled a hotel that wanted to force me to play their costly Nintendo 64 games by simply plugging the console into a socket.

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    I have to say that my favorite aspect of the Wii U (yes, there are positive things about it, lots of them), has to be the fact that it's still really big with local multiplayer. As most people here know, I prefer local multiplayer where you play against people you personally know, as opposed to online multiplayer where you play against names with no faces. You don't see that too often in games anymore. I probably play more older console games than newer ones because of this. So yeah, local multiplayer is definitely something I never want to see go away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SBaby View Post
    I have to say that my favorite aspect of the Wii U (yes, there are positive things about it, lots of them), has to be the fact that it's still really big with local multiplayer. As most people here know, I prefer local multiplayer where you play against people you personally know, as opposed to online multiplayer where you play against names with no faces. You don't see that too often in games anymore. I probably play more older console games than newer ones because of this. So yeah, local multiplayer is definitely something I never want to see go away.
    Local multiplayer along with online multiaplyer is nice. I prefer having both. You act like we don't think there's anything positive about it. Are you talking about how the Wii U doesn't have a strong library of games yet?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SBaby View Post
    I prefer local multiplayer where you play against people you personally know, as opposed to online multiplayer where you play against names with no faces.
    Online multiplayer is not always like this. A big part of online multiplayer is being able to play with friends who may not live just down the street from you. While I'm definitely a fan of local multiplayer, if I had to pick one of the two I'd rather have online multiplayer. You can always play with people online, you don't always have someone close to you to play with.


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