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    Quote Originally Posted by BCVM22 View Post
    An even bigger "no-no" than making baseless and sweeping generalizations apropos of nothing?
    It isn't baseless. More than enough people have made it known that they dislike motion control being the main control scheme of the system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jb View Post
    It isn't baseless.
    You can add a qualifier like "sort of" or "pretty much" if you'd like. I'm flexible.

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    More than enough people have made it known that they dislike motion control being the main control scheme of the system.
    This isn't even remotely close to true. And even if it were, tough sh*t for them. The Wii U uses Wii Remotes for some titles. It's not the main input method or control scheme, no, but it's still pretty deeply ingrained in a few games. Get over it and move on.

    One could completely ignore anything and everything new to the Wii U that uses such controls, but that would be cutting off one's nose to spite one's face in the worst way.


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    The motion control "debate/argument" reminds me of Super Mario Galaxy, specifically the spider boss. You know why that particular boss was fun. It's because of the great motion control scheme behind it.

    The controls can be used right such as those in Excitebots. Now where's that darn list I made earlier?

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    Im going to thank you for mentioning that Pyschic^

    You know what I always find funny, the old time nintendo fanboys who hate all the new complicated controls but also hate motion controls. Those poor ashamed bastards XD. Cant find anything fun for them these days.

    Though personally for me playing from the bathroom has been happening since SSBB came out. Playing brawl wirelessly from the bathroom XD
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    Quote Originally Posted by BCVM22 View Post
    You can add a qualifier like "sort of" or "pretty much" if you'd like. I'm flexible.
    No, nay, never, no way, no how.
    This isn't even remotely close to true.
    It sure a heck is. Just about any game that gives the option of using either the Classic/Pro/GCN or the Wiimote/Nun have people favor the former. Sure there are some outliers like Shovelware and the first party games like Skyward Sword(Which still had control problems for a Zelda title), but you can't honestly say the people that prefer a non-motion based controller are in the minority.

    I agree motion controls(Wiimote in this case) can be used right but it really hasn't been yet, or rather consistently.

    And even if it were, tough sh*t for them. The Wii U uses Wii Remotes for some titles. It's not the main input method or control scheme, no, but it's still pretty deeply ingrained in a few games. Get over it and move on.
    Few is way better than most in this case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jb View Post
    but you can't honestly say the people that prefer a non-motion based controller are in the minority.
    Nor can one claim them to be even remotely close to the majority, as you're doing.

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    I agree motion controls(Wiimote in this case) can be used right but it really hasn't been yet, or rather consistently.
    Motion control has been used just fine and consistently. The only "problem", if problem it is, is that so often in the games where it's used without being problematic, the motion gestures are used simply in place of a button control. But that doesn't make the control scheme a poor one, it simply means that the control method hasn't been used to its full potential yet.


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    Quick question, would you rather play the Metroid Prime games with the GCN controller, or with the motion controls?

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    To be specific, Excitebots was great for the Wii motion controls since it allowed room for error, and it seemed like you were feeling every inch of the race, the game was everywhere with the schemes, but in a good way.

    I do think the best Wii games are ones like Super Mario Galaxy 1 & 2 as well as Metroid Prime Trilogy (which Prime 1 worked better with Wii controls), and Wario Land: Shake it!

    Within the three categories of Wii games, I mentioned that there are control heavy games like Smooth Moves and Excitebots, control integrated games such as those I mentioned above, and the minimal approach like Brawl and Radiant Dawn.

    Is it really fair to mention shovelware in this conversation. Shovelware can make anything look like crap.

    Edit: @woot21, I answered your question without realizing it. I didn't even see your post before I posted this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by woot21 View Post
    Quick question, would you rather play the Metroid Prime games with the GCN controller, or with the motion controls?

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    That's really what I think of when I think of motion controls done right. There were times, while playing through the three, that I thought "Man I really wish I could use a GCN controller." But actually thinking about it, I really don't think it would have been better.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BCVM22 View Post
    Nor can one claim them to be even remotely close to the majority, as you're doing.
    It's a pretty reasonable assumption that the majority of video game players, Wii or otherwise prefer stationary controls as opposed to motion based. If only for familiarly.


    Motion control has been used just fine and consistently. The only "problem", if problem it is, is that so often in the games where it's used without being problematic, the motion gestures are used simply in place of a button control. But that doesn't make the control scheme a poor one, it simply means that the control method hasn't been used to its full potential yet.
    There's plenty more than that. Such as swipes and rotations not registering. Lack of good camera control on most games. Hell, they had to released the Plus just to make some of that bearable.

    Perhaps it's not being used to its full potential, but with a system being based on that one gimmick, it should of had been pretty damn close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jb View Post
    Perhaps it's not being used to its full potential, but with a system being based on that one gimmick, it should of had been pretty damn close.
    As I have mentioned with my "three types of Wii games" the Wii is not a one trick pony, and the level of motion control use is highly varied in both use and application.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jb View Post
    It's a pretty reasonable assumption that the majority of video game players, Wii or otherwise prefer stationary controls as opposed to motion based. If only for familiarly.
    No it isn't.

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    There's plenty more than that. Such as swipes and rotations not registering.
    Often alleviated by the increased motion sensitivity of the Plus, among other things.

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    Lack of good camera control on most games.
    Which has nothing to do with the motion control.

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    Hell, they had to released the Plus just to make some of that bearable.
    Uh, no. No, that's not what they "had to released" [sic] the Plus. They released the Plus because it greatly increased the sensitivity of the motion control to a degree, at costs and with components that weren't feasible at launch. They weren't scrambling to do it (it took three years) and it certainly didn't have anything to do with "camera control".


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    Quote Originally Posted by BCVM22 View Post
    No it isn't.
    Only if you're a robot.
    Often alleviated by the increased motion sensitivity of the Plus, among other things.
    Which still didn't totally correct the problem.
    Which has nothing to do with the motion control.
    But of the Wiimote itself which is a direct result of motion control.

    Uh, no. No, that's not what they "had to released" [sic] the Plus. They released the Plus because it greatly increased the sensitivity of the motion control to a degree, at costs and with components that weren't feasible at launch.
    I'm pretty sure a capable Wiimote could have been released at launch.

    Either way, if motion control was so great and mighty as you say and most of people preferred that, then I am sure Nintendo wouldn't have released multiple versions of the Classic Controller to the public. You've said multiple times that video game companies don't aim to please the minority. Nintendo clearly saw there was a significant amount of people that would purchase the CC as a alternate form of controlling the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jb View Post
    Only if you're a robot.
    I love motion controls better than stationary, does that make me a robot?

    Either way, if motion control was so great and mighty as you say and most of people preferred that, then I am sure Nintendo wouldn't have released multiple versions of the Classic Controller to the public. You've said multiple times that video game companies don't aim to please the minority. Nintendo clearly saw there was a significant amount of people that would purchase the CC as a alternate form of controlling the game.
    Uhhh.. The classic controller was released so people could play VC games (which do not support the Wiimote) and GC games. Simple as that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iris Mist View Post
    I love motion controls better than stationary, does that make me a robot?
    Possibly.

    Uhhh.. The classic controller was released so people could play VC games (which do not support the Wiimote) and GC games. Simple as that.
    Just about every VC game could be modified to use the Wii Remote. As for GC games, look at Metroid Prime trilogy.

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    It doesnt matter what you say JB BVCM22 is going to explain to you explicitly why you're argument is largely invalid till he turns purple like a swampert.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arceus7 View Post
    It doesnt matter what you say JB BVCM22 is going to explain to you explicitly why you're argument is largely invalid till he turns purple like a swampert.
    Well, you know what happens when somebody brings a largely incorrect and biased testimonial.

    Anyways, we have the Wii U, which has its own capabilities. It will still have Wiimote support, and as Miyamoto says, chucking Pikmin with the Wiimote is a lot of fun.

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    But it doesnt support Wii Remote pluses, now please tell me whats up with that...

    The control scheme on this console is so convoluted its ridiculous
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    Quote Originally Posted by Psychic Politoed View Post
    Well, you know what happens when somebody brings a largely incorrect and biased testimonial.
    If this is true, then saying opposite would be largely incorrect and biased as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jb View Post
    If this is true, then saying opposite would be largely incorrect and biased as well.
    I thought the opposite of bias and opinion was fact.

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    Not in this case. A play on a phrase, if you will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jb View Post
    Possibly.


    Just about every VC game could be modified to use the Wii Remote. As for GC games, look at Metroid Prime trilogy.
    The VC games I have downloaded do not work with the WiiMote. Gamecube game that's in the Wii at the moment: Super Mario Sunshine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arceus7 View Post
    But it doesnt support Wii Remote pluses, now please tell me whats up with that...
    It doesn't?

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    That's inaccurate. Of course the Wii U supports Remote Plus controllers. Some games, like Nintendoland, outright require them for some gameplay.

    No idea what the poster in question is saying.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Iris Mist View Post
    The VC games I have downloaded do not work with the WiiMote. Gamecube game that's in the Wii at the moment: Super Mario Sunshine.
    Well that wan't what I was saying. Doesn't matter anyway since the Wii U's main focus isn't motion control and they a dedicated traditional controller.

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