Intended Sandstorm BT team

[Bigheaded]

Lets get straight too it, explained throughout so I hope you like it, any comments welcomed!

Tyranitar: (sandstream)@Lum Berry
Adamant Nature
252 Evs Att. 252 Evs. Hp 6 Evs. Spe
~Stone Edge
~Dragon Dance
~Earthquake
~Crunch
Thanks to Salamance Lover Logan for the build

Strategy:
Weaknesses include: Bug, Grass, Ground, Steel, Water, Fighting
Against "expected" special: Bug/Water stay in and fight. This is because i have high spD and i expect he'll survive and retaliate.
Against anything which are types: /Bug(physical)/Grass/Ground/Steel/Water(physical)/Fighting or is very likely to have a strong fighting move: Switch to bronzong.

Old tyranitar:
EV's: 252 speed, 252 hp
Nature: Jolly.
Moves:
Substitute
Stealth Rock
Roar
Rest?/stone edge?

Wanted to choose hippowdon but team weakness to fire was a problem (no spD on hippowdon and bronzong is weak to it).
The lack of offense could be a problem and stealth rock may be redundant (sash is broken mostly by sandstorm)
I am avoiding EQ if he has only one attack as so many pokemon are immune.
The aim is for this thing to not die so i can bring in to roar if needed and to replace sandstorm if the opponent changes the weather.
I wanted speed so that the substitute WILL take the hit as 99% of the time i will be using that to see what the opponent does.
For physical moves i bring in the next guy.

Bronzong: (levitate)@Light Clay
EV's: 252 HP, 252 def
-spa+def nature (impish)
Moves:
Reflect
Lightscreen
gyro ball
explosion

The aim of this guy is to get both screens up then either to gyro ball or blew up to give a free switch in (depending on how much hp bronzong has left)
With a lot of luck both screens will be up and 1 pokemon dead, SR and sandstorm still going. OLD
This leaves me to clean up.
The fire weakness is covered by Tyranitar.

Garchomp: (Sand Veil)@Life orb or Leftovers? even shell bell? (life steal item)
Ev's 252 speed, 252 att/hp?
Jolly
swords dance
Substitute
Outrage
Earthquake

Two steel pokemon (skarmony/bronzong) ignore EQ and whom resist outrage, the rest should be killed by one or the other moves. neither of the aformentioned pokemon are likely to deal damage with both walls in place.
So the idea is simple, get substitute up to prevent hax, swords dance 2-3 times then clean up.
20% chance to evade can be handy as well from sandstorm


I can only currently foresee one problem: Massive weakness to infernape. I am quite sure i can deal with all the pokemon who change the weather from abilities (i.e abomasnow) who "could" cause a problem.

on the link here: http://www.serebiiforums.com/showthread.php?t=408968
It shows these:
361 | Infernape | Jolly | Coba Berry | Close Combat | Fire Punch | U-turn | Fake Out | Atk/Spe
497 | Infernape | Adamant | Muscle Band | Blaze Kick | Shadow Claw | ThunderPunch | Gunk Shot | Atk/Spe
633 | Infernape | Modest | Brightpowder | Flamethrower | Focus Blast | SolarBeam | Sunny Day | SpA/Spe
769 | Infernape | Jolly | King's Rock | Flare Blitz | Close Combat | Earthquake | ThunderPunch | Atk/Spe

So both jolly ones will outspeed my Garchomp as it has a few base speed higher.
So i NEED my tyranitar to get out a roar so my garchomp can get ready in advance. With any luck, whatever is brought in bronzong can set up shields on (if it's something like moltres i'll call it a day i think :P )
I "Could" take a choice scarf Garchomp build but it doesnt sweep nearly as well.

So any thoughts?
Especially about the possible ape problem, any genius solutions? if there arn't any i simply won't worry about it, He can't come up THAT often :P
What would you give my tyranitar as a last move?
Would you change any of my moves anyway?
or change my builds? (i.e would you use my speedy tyranitar? or go for a more beefy one?)
Would you even change a pokemon? Doesn't "necessarily" have to be resistant to sandstorm.
I was tempted to Sweep with an armaldo, can you think of anything funnier than a bug/rock type sweeping? I dont think he would get as far though.

Comments welcomed.

[Aura Sensai]

Tyranitar isn't gonna work like you like you should try this instead:

Tyranitar Adamant Nature
252 Evs Att. 252 Evs. Hp 6 Evs. Spe
~Stone Edge
~Dragon Dance
~Earthquake
~Ice Fang/Crunch

Maybe use Dragon Claw instead of Outrage.

[Bigheaded]

Tyranitar isn't gonna work like you like you should try this instead:

Tyranitar Adamant Nature
252 Evs Att. 252 Evs. Hp 6 Evs. Spe
~Stone Edge
~Dragon Dance
~Earthquake
~Ice Fang/Crunch

Maybe use Dragon Claw instead of Outrage.

I do like the build, but it's not my intention to use tyranitar for that purpose.

Is there anything wrong with using a defensive tyranitar? It has absolutely insane sp.D due to sandstorm and it's physical defense is still high.
I am not convinced my moveset is correct for him by any means (perhaps replace Substitute with a attacking move and change item to a focus sash) but i can't see him "not working".


I did consider the dragon claw instead of outrage, the only problem with using outrage is when it misses, otherwise it does what it says on the tin and kills anything with even one swords dance (about ~4 pokemon survive such as steelix). Anyway, i can decide that another time, as dragon claw can be gotten from heart scale/tm anyway.


Why do you think the tyranitar build won't work?

thanks for input though! much appreciated.

[Aura Sensai]

Well,I'd say that it should go straight out sweeper.It does have lots of weaknesses,so it's notgonna last long either way.(Well only if your battling pokemon with Fighting,Ground,Grass moves or any of it's other weaknesses).

[Bigheaded]

Well,I'd say that it should go straight out sweeper.It does have lots of weaknesses,so it's notgonna last long either way.(Well only if your battling pokemon with Fighting,Ground,Grass moves or any of it's other weaknesses).

Well i'll give it a shot! This is just a test anyway. I am just avoiding trickscarf builds as it's abusing the AI a bit too much for my likings.

I think it will last a decent amount of time with HP+SpD EV's and avoiding fighting moves, i'll give yours a shot first anyway, if i like it, then problem solved! (don't "really" want to use my SR/roar tm's yet anyway)


I presume no mention of the bronzong is that it's fine?

[Aura Sensai]

Yeah,Bronzong seems fine,and I'm glad I helped with Tyranitar!

[Bigheaded]

Currently at 35 wins in a row (still going) and my current record is 39, so looking good.

So this is my team atm, not quite as what is at the top of page as breeding take far too long to get what i want and it makes things interesting putting up with what you get rather than what you want.
Tyranitar: (sandstream)@Lum Berry
Relaxed Nature (-spe/+def)
The IV's are really nice actually, which is why i went for it.
EV's: 255 spD, 255 HP
~Stone Edge
~Dragon Dance
~Earthquake
~Crunch
This thing is a BEAST! wasn't expecting it to just laugh at half the stuff which comes up. Garchomp was KO'd by me being stupid, got bronzong to put up a light screen then that died also. Left this thing against an alakazam after it KO'd something else, it focus punches it!! (ow?) deals like 60 damage out of 207, i laughed my *** off, 4x damage from an alakazam not even half hp then crunched it for the ko.

Bronzong: (levitate)@Light Clay
EV's: 252 HP, 252 def
adamant nature
"decent" iv's.
Moves:
Reflect
Lightscreen
gyro ball
Extrasensory
I am REALLY liking having the psychic move in there. I've come across 3 breloom who keep trying to set up some swords dances as i put reflect up, so i retaliate with psychic moves, i suppose explosion would work as well.
Should i really be keeping that skill?

Garchomp: (Sand Veil)@Leftovers
Ev's: 252 spe/252 att
Adamant
swords dance
Substitute
Outrage
Crunch
The IV's on this thing is pretty bad, i had an ultra bad crap awful load of them and thought having 200 attack with "decent" speed (i.e no jolly but ~30 IV), rest of the stats sucked.
Something to work on at another time.

Dunno why i've left him with crunch, but it's fairly effective had once where i was glad it was there, but when a metagross came up, it's made me fairly convinced i need the quake :P
Don't want to waste the TM though on that piece of crap.


I am pleased so far, feel free to comment on what i WANT my team to be OR on my current (or both? )

Does my tyranitar's EV's need looking at?
Dor i simply went SpD/HP, which isn't working out that great when it needs to take a physical hit as bronzong is the least likely to survive thing in this team and that's without explosion! (bronzong being who usually takes any physical attacks)
I don't really know what sort of spreads to use.
IV's on the Tyranitar: 31/29/13(defense)/26/23/31 (and that only took ~20 pokemon being bred, including ones for egg moves)
Stats (at lvl 50): 207/153/133/113/148/72
So spD is only ~15 more, but sandstorm adds 50% to it's spD as it's a rock type, so should it be any more defensive? as i will often have dual screens up anyway.


Battle Report: my moves are underlined.
Left side is what happens first. // happens second this side
Gallade Psychic/fighting sent in, tyranitar for me.
Switch Tyran -> Bronzong // Gallade uses close Combat, bronzong ~105/173 hp.
Gallade uses Close Combat // Bronzong uses Reflect, bronzong ~40/173
Gallade uses Close Combat // Bronzong uses Gyro Ball, Bronzong ~7/173 Gallade has 2/3rds remaining
Gallade uses Trick Room?!? // Bronzong uses Gyro Ball, Gallade has 1/3rd remaining
Gallade is switched for Blaziken // Bronzong uses Gyro Ball, Blaziken has 3/4 remaining
Bronzong is switched for Tyranitar // Blaziken uses (some fire skill): Tyranitar ~180/207
Tyranitar uses Crunch // Blaziken faints, Gallade sent out
Tyranitar uses Crunch // Gallade faints, Bronzong, Trick Room ends.
Tyranitar uses Dragon Dance // Bronzong uses Trick Room (OH CRAP!)
Bronzong uses Gyro ball // Tyranitar uses Crunch, Tyranitar: 53/207, Bronzong 1/2
Tyranitar switched for Bronzong // Bronzong uses gyro ball, my bronzong faints. Garchomp sent out
Was a little bit worried at this point, If somehow bronzong could OHKO garchomp it would be a loss.
Bronzong uses Gyro Ball // Garchomp uses Substitute Garchomp Hp after being hit~ 50/179, 11/179 after Sub, 22 after lefties
Bronzong uses Gyro Ball (MISS) // Garchomp Uses Swords Dance Trick room ends.
Garchomp uses crunch // Bronzong faints.
Victory!

Probably the second most exciting battle i had with this team. Had one against a metagross and i didn't realise meteor mash was priority, that one was VERY interesting but don't remember much of it.
Would you have played it differently?


ended @ 47 to a curselax, as i presumed physical attacks, switched to bronzong, it used curse, i set up light screen just in case, it used curse, i switched to garchomp then stayed behind a substitute and prayed for a miss (hey 20% isn't bad?) it continued to curse i managed to swords dance 3x times (perhaps twice should have been enough, i dont think so?) the annoying thing had chesto + rest so that saved it's arse after curse. Didn't miss at all either, in fact it critical hit'd my tyranitar (which if i had critted, it would have died and i was using stone edge!)
Ahhh good ol hax.