Anything and Everything Shiny - 2.0!

[ladykiwi]

Come at me bro. I'm not reporting you for PMing me your opinion on me.

Now, probably I do need to select my words more carefully, but did you at least read my last post? I acknowledged it, and I explained myself. In case you missed it, here goes for the second time.

False. Entering a battle triggers a series of formulas, and random numbers that define the pokémon you'll encounter (PID / IV Frame / etc). You are RNGing, just not abusing it.

I still don't know what's remotely offensive about this, though. I didn't insult you, implied anything mean, mocked, disrespected, or whatever. I'm just stating some facts and agreeing I poorly worded that old post.

[The Red Thunder]

Come at me bro. I'm not reporting you for PMing me your opinion on me.

Now, probably I do need to select my words more carefully, but did you at least read my last post? I acknowledged it, and I explained myself. In case you missed it, here goes for the second time.

I didn't miss it. All I saw was somebody trying to be a hypocrite and going back on what they said in the first place. You've offered no apologies to any of those you've offended, and you've hardly admitted fault for making such an ignorant statement in the first place.

[Gelatino95]

False. Entering a battle triggers a series of formulas, and random numbers that define the pokémon you'll encounter (PID / IV Frame / etc). You are RNGing, just not abusing it.

By this logic, every pokemon ever encountered in the game is RNG'd. Shiny pokemon are just one of many options which could turn up in the game.

[ladykiwi]

By this logic, every pokemon ever encountered in the game is RNG'd. Shiny pokemon are just one of many options which could turn up in the game.

That's exactly what I've been trying to say all along.

[Sonikku za Hejjihoggu]

By this logic, every pokemon ever encountered in the game is RNG'd. Shiny pokemon are just one of many options which could turn up in the game.

Which is actually correct logic, considering everything you encounter/capture is a product of the random number generator.

Even little things like the amount of damage an attack will do, critical captures/hits, etc...

[The Red Thunder]

Which is actually correct logic, considering everything you encounter/capture is a product of the random number generator.

Even little things like the amount of damage an attack will do, critical captures/hits, etc...

There's a big difference between a random collection of datapoints that created a Pokemon, and manipulating the RNG to give you what you want. Not everyone likes being accused of the latter just because it has technicalities that are true.

That's exactly what I've been trying to say all along.

Really, because it looks to me like you're accusing anybody and everybody of intentionally manipulating the RNG to give them whatever they want ... even if they don't know it.

[Sonikku za Hejjihoggu]

There's a big difference between a random collection of datapoints that created a Pokemon, and manipulating the RNG to give you what you want. Not everyone likes being accused of the latter just because it has technicalities that are true.

Really, because it looks to me like you're accusing anybody and everybody of intentionally manipulating the RNG to give them whatever they want ... even if they don't know it.

And you're somewhat blowing their poor choice of wording something that was originally meant to be said out of proportion, but I don't take trivial things to heart like that over the internet, as if it matters a thing to me. Not saying you're definitely doing that, but it's coming off as such.

Like it or not, every event that occurs to you in game is a product of the RNG, even if you're not aware of it or trying to.

[ladykiwi]

There's a big difference between a random collection of datapoints that created a Pokemon, and manipulating the RNG to give you what you want. Not everyone likes being accused of the latter just because it has technicalities that are true.

Walking around manipulates the IV frame, and speaking to NPCs manipulates the PID frame, so....
edit: fun fact. Changing the way your moves are arranged in Gen 3 (RuSaFRLG) tampers the battle rng, allowing you to miss, crit, quick claw hax, and such. Whether it's intentional or not, you're RNGing.

Really, because it looks to me like you're accusing anybody and everybody of intentionally manipulating the RNG to give them whatever they want ... even if they don't know it.

For the fourth time, False. Entering a battle triggers a series of formulas, and random numbers that define the pokémon you'll encounter (PID / IV Frame / etc). You are RNGing, just not abusing it.

[The Red Thunder]

And you're somewhat blowing their poor choice of wording something that was originally meant to be said out of proportion, but I don't take trivial things to heart like that over the internet as if it matters a thing to me. Not saying you're definitely doing that, but it's coming off as such.

Like it or not, every event that occurs to you in game is a product of the RNG, even if you're not aware of it or trying to.

But there's still a huge difference between doing it accidently and doing it intentionally. It pisses me off when people refuse to acknowledge that difference on a mere technicality. It's a pathetic game of word play just to stroke their ego and make themselves feel better about rigging the dice to win the game of craps. Nothing more.

If you've found wild shinies in the past, you've RNG abused without even realizing it.

For the fourth time, until you fix this post, you are guilty of these words and I will hold you to no better.

[Sonikku za Hejjihoggu]

I can't believe you're this uptight over a single misuse of a word.

[ladykiwi]

It's a pathetic game of word play just to stroke their ego and make themselves feel better.

Ironically, you started this whole thing by pointing out how I poorly worded my old post (which happens to be off topic, mind you). In my eyes, the bolded part is just a mere projection of yourself.

Edit 48934: Had you asked politely, I would have gladly editted my post.

[The Red Thunder]

I can't believe you're this uptight over a single misuse of a word.

That "single misuse of a word" is the difference between doing things your own way and calling everyone else who plays the game a cheater. And on a mere technicality at that.

If you want to RNG, then go do it. I hope you get what you want.

I personally consider it to be cheating, though, because it ruins the value that I give to the random shinies. And it's to that end that I get offended when somebody tries to say that I'm abusing the RNG just because I'm playing the game. It's not the same thing, and the fact that people are so adamantly against admitting the difference is just plain wrong.

[ladykiwi]

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I did actually apologize for sounding rude way back, lol.

As for the rest of your post, it's been already discussed numerous times through this and the previous page (ie, why RNG is objectively not cheating, etc). I suggest we let this silly discussion just die already and go back on topic.

[The Red Thunder]

As for the rest of your post, it's been already discussed numerous times through this and the previous page (ie, why RNG is objectively not cheating, etc). I suggest we let this silly discussion just die already and go back on topic.

Listen, I'm not trying to say anyone else's opinion on the subject is any less valid than mine. But I consider RNG abuse to be cheating, plain and simple. You're rigging the game, and rigging is cheating in my opinion. I'm not going to fault you for cheating, because whatever you do in your game has no impact on me so I don't care.

What I do care about is when you try to accuse everyone, and by proxy, me, of being guilty of rigging the RNG, based on a series of technicalities that you're using to justify what you do in the eyes of others. You might not see it as a big deal. I do.

[Gelatino95]

Which is actually correct logic, considering everything you encounter/capture is a product of the random number generator.

All pokemon in the game are generated as a result of the game's random number generator, but the fan-made verb "RNG" means to use software which allows you to predict exactly the pokemon you want the generator to produce.

[Sonikku za Hejjihoggu]

All pokemon in the game are generated as a result of the game's random number generator, but the fan-made verb "RNG" means to use software which allows you to predict exactly the pokemon you want the generator to produce.

For your safety, I hope you're not actually serious.

[Gelatino95]

For your safety, I hope you're not actually serious.

The abbreviation itself isn't fan-made, I'm sure, but in the context of pokemon, we use it to describe pokemon which were obtained using a process that ensures perfect IVs, shininess, or what have you. For the most part, we don't associate the term with pokemon which have been generated with no intention of exploitation.

[Scaldaver]

I have a shiny tentacool

[Gelatino95]

I have a shiny tentacool

Lucky. Shiny Tentacool looks awesome, if I remember correctly. Gray and green, right? Make sure you don't evolve it. Shiny Tentacruel doesn't look nearly as cool.

[Shine]

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Shiny Tentacruel has the same color as Shiny Tentacool.....