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    I think I just kinda figured out the real reason. So many say if Ash aged kids would stop watching but I doubt that is the case. Think about it from Game Freak's angle. Let's pretend Game Freak decides to have a gen where an older character is let's say champion. So for the sake of the theory let's use Misty. Now let's say the devs age her by 10 yrs. only to have the next games back in the regular timeline or before the events of Gen 1. The writers can not just use time skips willy nilly. While Game Freak has not really done anything too drastic. (Misty got a new style in HG/SS but she was still a gym leader but if she was promoted to Champion for some reason unless the anime decided to use an anime only champion (Which would be odd)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nekaku View Post
    I think I just kinda figured out the real reason. So many say if Ash aged kids would stop watching but I doubt that is the case. Think about it from Game Freak's angle. Let's pretend Game Freak decides to have a gen where an older character is let's say champion. So for the sake of the theory let's use Misty. Now let's say the devs age her by 10 yrs. only to have the next games back in the regular timeline or before the events of Gen 1. The writers can not just use time skips willy nilly. While Game Freak has not really done anything too drastic. (Misty got a new style in HG/SS but she was still a gym leader but if she was promoted to Champion for some reason unless the anime decided to use an anime only champion (Which would be odd)
    Misty's unlikely to ever show up again anyway, so I'm not sure why her aging would matter or affect Ash's age. The anime doesn't have to follow everything Gamefreak does regardless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nekaku View Post
    I think I just kinda figured out the real reason. So many say if Ash aged kids would stop watching but I doubt that is the case. Think about it from Game Freak's angle. Let's pretend Game Freak decides to have a gen where an older character is let's say champion. So for the sake of the theory let's use Misty. Now let's say the devs age her by 10 yrs. only to have the next games back in the regular timeline or before the events of Gen 1. The writers can not just use time skips willy nilly. While Game Freak has not really done anything too drastic. (Misty got a new style in HG/SS but she was still a gym leader but if she was promoted to Champion for some reason unless the anime decided to use an anime only champion (Which would be odd)
    They were honestly doing it fine before BW. They kept the pretense that time was passing and Ash was 'aging' because he grew to be a better trainer and became more mature and mellowed out. Heck, I felt the DP outfit gave him an older look too, even if he wasn't physically taller.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nekaku View Post
    I think I just kinda figured out the real reason.
    We already have a reason.

    Let's pretend Game Freak decides to have a gen where an older character is let's say champion.
    We've had several.

    Now let's say the devs age her by 10 yrs. only to have the next games back in the regular timeline or before the events of Gen 1.
    Nothing indicates Misty is ten in the games like she is in the anime. Her aging in the games would never affect her age in the show.

    While Game Freak has not really done anything too drastic. (Misty got a new style in HG/SS but she was still a gym leader but if she was promoted to Champion for some reason unless the anime decided to use an anime only champion (Which would be odd)
    Misty's HGSS design is an updated version of her GSC design. It's not new.

    And I honestly don't see why they couldn't just change her hair.

    And they don't have to show the Champion. Blue was the Champ in the games whereas Gary never won a League.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maldread View Post
    They were honestly doing it fine before BW. They kept the pretense that time was passing and Ash was 'aging' because he grew to be a better trainer and became more mature and mellowed out. Heck, I felt the DP outfit gave him an older look too, even if he wasn't physically taller.
    DP ash didnt seem any older, it's just that you read "boring and stoic" as "mellowed out and mature".

    Too many rosetinted glasses for DP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phanpycross View Post
    DP ash didnt seem any older, it's just that you read "boring and stoic" as "mellowed out and mature".

    Too many rosetinted glasses for DP.
    Lost his OS and early AG cockiness, was generally less brash and more mellow, acted more mature on many occasions, was at the peak of his prowess as a trainer (or at least built on it from BF), placed the highest he'd ever finished in the League at the end of it all (this coupled with following on BF win and Champions League mentions) to give the impression that he was progressing and slowly grinding his way up until the reset happened, etc...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark/Legendary Master View Post
    Lost his OS and early AG cockiness, was generally less brash and more mellow, acted more mature on many occasions, was at the peak of his prowess as a trainer (or at least built on it from BF), placed the highest he'd ever finished in the League at the end of it all (this coupled with following on BF win and Champions League mentions) to give the impression that he was progressing and slowly grinding his way up until the reset happened, etc...
    It merely created the illusion that he had aged, then came BW which confirmed that he was still 10, and his shenanigans there made a mockery of his "growth" as a trainer. Alas.~

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark/Legendary Master View Post
    Lost his OS and early AG cockiness, was generally less brash and more mellow, acted more mature on many occasions, was at the peak of his prowess as a trainer (or at least built on it from BF), placed the highest he'd ever finished in the League at the end of it all (this coupled with following on BF win and Champions League mentions) to give the impression that he was progressing and slowly grinding his way up until the reset happened, etc...
    Again, confusing stoic and mature. Disregarding that it's fairly subjective if DP was Ash at his best (BF was better in all honesty, and creating counter-shield for one battle doesnt mean anything to that end), how does mentioning the champions league mean anything for his character?

    Ash wasnt as brash, but that doesnt mean he matured, it just means he was more quiet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phanpycross View Post
    DP ash didnt seem any older, it's just that you read "boring and stoic" as "mellowed out and mature".
    Adults are generally more boring than children.

    Quote Originally Posted by phanpycross View Post
    Ash wasnt as brash, but that doesnt mean he matured, it just means he was more quiet.
    Mellowing out generally is a sign of increased maturity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maldread View Post
    Adults are generally more boring than children.



    Mellowing out generally is a sign of increased maturity.
    Really? Cause Ive met both quiet and active kids, but neither were more mature than the other. Heck, Ive even met active kids who turned quiet, without them becoming more mature.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phanpycross View Post
    DP ash didnt seem any older, it's just that you read "boring and stoic" as "mellowed out and mature".

    Too many rosetinted glasses for DP.
    Honestly I might be in the minority here but I honestly find XY Ash to be the most mature Ash especially with the way he handles situations without getting worried and the way he helped Goodra grow out of its fears show his true maturity. Plus he shows more emotion and personality than DP Ash as shown in recent episodes.

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    telling people ash's age at the start of bw was a huge mistake by the writers because all it did was upset the fans that believed Ash was slowly aging since before the anime didn't mention his age after OS.

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    Ash isnt the only one who doesnt age. No character that has ever stayed or come back has ever aged at all. TRio, deliah, Prof and gary oak, brock, etc. If time was passing through DP, we would see all of these characters looks somewhat more different over time.

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    This thread lost me when the title mentioned Ash, but the opening post was all about Misty..
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    Quote Originally Posted by phanpycross View Post
    Really? Cause Ive met both quiet and active kids, but neither were more mature than the other. Heck, Ive even met active kids who turned quiet, without them becoming more mature.
    The key word there was "generally."
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    Quote Originally Posted by yuoke View Post
    Ash isnt the only one who doesnt age. No character that has ever stayed or come back has ever aged at all. TRio, deliah, Prof and gary oak, brock, etc. If time was passing through DP, we would see all of these characters looks somewhat more different over time.
    Ash's mom got taller at least or Ash got shorter how sure which

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    Many Characters don't age, why does ash have to?
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    ... I don't even understand what you're trying to say.

    Misty was aged up slightly in Generation II since that game happens chronically a few years after Generation I. In the anime it didn't really matter because the events in Generation II happened immediately after Generation I. Same thing for Unova where we also had a timeskip in the games. That didn't matter in the case of Iris because the anime took some liberties to make the Plasma Plot work.

    Basically, it doesn't matter how much time passes in the games or even that we have a Multiverse going on right now because the anime moves at its own ill-defined pace.

    Ash's mom got taller at least or Ash got shorter how sure which
    They used to use unrealistic proportions for the adults and draw them very tall compared to the children.

    As time matched on and the animators got better they've tightened up quite a bit. We've had about 3-4 animation bumps over the series.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maldread View Post
    Adults are generally more boring than children.
    You're confusing "boring" with "not hyperactive." What is so interesting about kids going hyper anyway?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aegiscalibur View Post
    You're confusing "boring" with "not hyperactive." What is so interesting about kids going hyper anyway?
    It was a response to phanpy anyway. Point still stands.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maldread View Post
    It was a response to phanpy anyway. Point still stands.
    So was boredom full sarcasm or just a metaphor? Kind of hard to tell given how many people actually like hyperactive characters.

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    Iris wasn't made champion when B/W2 came out. Steven's still the Hoenn champion. I doubt future games will have effect on past gen influence in the anime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoruagible View Post
    Iris wasn't made champion when B/W2 came out. Steven's still the Hoenn champion. I doubt future games will have effect on past gen influence in the anime.
    Wallace became the champion in AG though and then when ORAS came out Steven became the champion.

    But yeah,I doubt the future games will have that much of an effect on past gen influence in the anime.

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    ORAS pulled that alternate dimension theory anyway, so the anime can use that as a reason for it to deviate from the games in manners that best suit it, including aging and such.

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    No good reason. They just dug themselves into a hole that became a bottomless pit.
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