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    Seriously I don't get it! why is Starmie one if not the most ignored Pokemon through the series? It's one of these Pokemon who never got any chance to shine while Snorlax had million of episodes about it! Even Misty dropped hers without having any good moments or decent battles. They also made it lose really fast and quickly! Would you like to see Starmie to return to the series? How about Serena catching one? or a return of Misty where she use it in a competition or something?

    Would you like for Starmie to comeback somehow? if yes, then how?
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    I think Starmie either could return as a wild Pokemon, or it's owned by a cotd. I don't see Misty returning with hers and I think she rarely used it anyways.
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    I never cared much about Starmie's small appearences. Sure it was hardly seen, but you could say that about a lot of pokemon in the anime. It could appear in Kalos, but it will most likely belong to a Cotd or be wild

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    Starmie was Misty's answer to Pidgeotto (which it was getting its butt kicked from, by the way), except she at least returned to it when she permanently left to be a gym leader. Kinda sucks it wasn't used much, it's a pretty cool Pokémon, but it was probably her strongest Pokémon that the writers suddenly didn't want to be that strong. Didn't want to be too OP when compared to Ash.

    If a Starmie does return, it'll most likely be a cameo as a wild Pokémon or belonging to a CotD/nameless trainer.
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    Rudy battled with a Starmie in Orange Islands.

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    supposedly i was actually guessing myself that zumi/siebold could own one just like in the games, but since he is only a character good for the special then i guess if starmie returns - if definitely its going to be a character owned by a cotd
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    It really is unfortunate. Starmie holds reputation as one of most diverse and efficient pokemon gamewise. Well it did for several years due to great stats, varied movepool and reliable offensive and defense abilities when needed. Many players address to him as excellent late game cleaner.

    But in anime its entiely different story unfortunately. Starmie in animated medium never got proper focus, justice and chance to shine. Even when it battled most of time it resulted in his defeat quickly and shamefully. Such as against Raticate, Pidgeotto(well it was about to get knocked down) , Graveler, Squirtle etc.

    Starmie should definitely receive redemption making up for pretty bad and disrespectful treatment this beautiful and mysterious pokemon got in past.

    Best case scenario would be Misty coming back showcasing her own Starmie in more positive and exciting environment. During all this time she spent at gym im positive she trained her Starmie becoming much stronger pokemon than we saw to be situation in early Kanto. Teaching him or utilizing productively its special moves, recover abilities and speed.

    It would be downright fantastic see Misty using Starmie in some powerful water tournament(E4 Siebold is basically water master so he could be host causing Misty to be all excited and nervous in meeting honored, renowned water expert like him). Or competition reserved for all kind of pokemon types showing how much she improved as trainer in finding ways to counter electric or grass attacks with water pokemon.

    Advancing her dream of top class renowned water trainer in world, with Whirl Cup showing how winning strong tournaments and developing more creative tactics making name for yourself in world is mandatory to become water master. Advancing her story and career.

    We could see Misty coming back and using Starmie in battling villains like Lysandre and Team Flare as well , maybe even battle Ash in name of good old times to see how much they both improved after all this years.

    Killing 2 birds with one stone. Because through Misty we would both get chance to see Starmie used this time in more significant, relevant way getting its 10 minutes of glory (metaphorically speaking)it was unjustifiedly denied of in past. Actually get redemption presenting itself in stronger, more satisying light putting of negative stigma in which anime caused it to be.

    But also bring back clasic, original pokemon girl. Giving people update, enjoy in her diverse persponality, receive development and continuation to Misty dreams and story making many people happy and excited. To see both Starmie and loved and missed by many character in important role and daring action.
    Increasing ratings and pokemon anime popularity that way(it did passed 9 years last time she returned afterall).

    In fact bring Misty back with Starmie in main team for whole series. I certainly wouldnt mind being full of flare, energy and emotion as character and having lot of unfinished things in story prducing potential to do much more with her flaws, dreams and pokemon.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kutie Pie View Post
    Starmie was Misty's answer to Pidgeotto (which it was getting its butt kicked from, by the way), except she at least returned to it when she permanently left to be a gym leader. Kinda sucks it wasn't used much, it's a pretty cool Pokémon, but it was probably her strongest Pokémon that the writers suddenly didn't want to be that strong. Didn't want to be too OP when compared to Ash.

    If a Starmie does return, it'll most likely be a cameo as a wild Pokémon or belonging to a CotD/nameless trainer.
    You know, for some reason i always perceived Staryu to be stronger than Misty Starmie. She used Staryu much, much more often so based on that fact alone he should have more experience. Not to mention in battle against Ash at gym Staryu defeated fully evolved Butterfree, while Starmie was having hard time against mid evolved form Pidgeotto(who didnt seemed stronger than Butterfree based on their battle record prior to that match). Staryu also showed more diverse moveset(water gun, swift, double edge etc). While Starmie only used rapid spin.

    Maybe if were lucky we get chance that Misty returns with Starmie stronger and packed with more impressive abilities than ever before.

    Because based on how writers left Misty future undefined about whole gym problem and sisters and unresolved goals of becoming water master. I could see her at some point leaving after substitute is found, traveling to enter tournaments, learn from other water specialists, discover how to unlock full potential of her pokemon(like mega evolution), catch new ones(Unova proved how in distant regions pokemon cannot migrate to Kanto and other places explaining why Clair traveled there to get Druddigon) advancing her water master dream and becoming maybe in future first E4 female member of water pokemon. Since E4 are best type trainers in world and Misty does worship Prima/Lorelei wanting to become respected and well known in world as water expert too one day.

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    They're not going to bring back Misty just to showcase Starmie LOL. They are plenty of other ways that could happen. Whether it be through other trainers or it being a wild pokemon.

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    Starmie is fantastic in competitive play, but that doesn't really matter here. It isn't really that unfortunate though. Many pokemon are only showcased once or twice, so Starmie isn't much of an exception.

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    They should have had Misty take Starmie into Johto instead of Staryu. I don't know why they did the opposite aside from not wanting Misty to have stronger pokemon than Ash.

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    I think the same thing happened what was wrong with Surge Raichu (Because it was evolved to fast, it had low speed). I think on some point, Staryu was better then Starmie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fitzy909 View Post
    Starmie is fantastic in competitive play, but that doesn't really matter here. It isn't really that unfortunate though. Many pokemon are only showcased once or twice, so Starmie isn't much of an exception.
    I have yet to see a single starmie use boltbeam in the anime.

    all points regardless competitive battling are moot.

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    Starmie could have had such a fantastic moveset like Psychic, Icebeam, Thunderbolt, Hydro Pump, etc.

    Misty's Starmie just used Water gun and rapid spin. :/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red and Blue View Post
    They're not going to bring back Misty just to showcase Starmie LOL. They are plenty of other ways that could happen. Whether it be through other trainers or it being a wild pokemon.
    No, it'd be the other way around: they would bring back Starmie to showcase Misty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Royal_Qeca View Post
    No, it'd be the other way around: they would bring back Starmie to showcase Misty.
    Not sure if you`re joking or not.


    If you`re being serious, why Starmie? If they wanted to have a pokemon appear to showcase Misty, wouldn`t her Gyarados be a much better option due to its mega evolution? Not that it will actually happen of course, but I think that Starmie would be the last reason for why Misty would make a cameo in Kalos

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red and Blue View Post
    Not that it will actually happen of course, but I think that Starmie would be the last reason for why Misty would make a cameo in Kalos
    I'm sure he's not being serious.

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    It would have made much more sense for Misty to have had a Staryu to begin with and then evolve it into Starmie later.

    To all those arguing that Misty could come back, face it, she ain't! The anime writers were given the perfect prepacked way to bring back Misty and every other Gym Leader in the form of the World Tournament and they failed to take it, instead giving us a stupid island saga which no one wanted, no one liked and in which nothing happened!
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    Knowing how biased GF is on gen 1, I wouldnt be too worried about an eventual mega starmie.

    Heck I wouldnt be surprised about an eventual mega raticate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sprinter1988 View Post
    It would have made much more sense for Misty to have had a Staryu to begin with and then evolve it into Starmie later.
    She had both because in the games she had both. It is odd back then for a main character to own both the unevolved and evolved forms of the same pokemon at the same time. Hence Starmie being left behind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sprinter1988 View Post
    It would have made much more sense for Misty to have had a Staryu to begin with and then evolve it into Starmie later.

    To all those arguing that Misty could come back, face it, she ain't! The anime writers were given the perfect prepacked way to bring back Misty and every other Gym Leader in the form of the World Tournament and they failed to take it, instead giving us a stupid island saga which no one wanted, no one liked and in which nothing happened!
    At least Professor Oak got something nice from that nightmare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phanpycross View Post
    Knowing how biased GF is on gen 1, I wouldnt be too worried about an eventual mega starmie.

    Heck I wouldnt be surprised about an eventual mega raticate.
    You want to do some adding up! Thirteen Gen 1 Pokémon have mega evolutions. On the other hand there are twenty for Gen 3!
    And before the announcement of ORAS the two gens were even with 10 each, although the Mega Latios/as were not released.
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    To Red and Blue:To clear up misunderstanding. I didnt said they will bring back Misty., But how it would be nice if Starmie could be showed in future through return of popular, actually interesting familiar face. Rather than some umptheen pointless COTD(like we didnt had already enough of those).

    With Starmie receiving chance to win important battle for once lightening up his image and potential this pokemon truly posess.

    Starmie obviously wouldnt in that case be main reason behind Misty return, but it could be used by her along the way if she were to return to:
    -get continuation of her story, unfinished plots regarding career of becoming water master entering tournaments to showcase Starmie in battles and push goals forward; unsolved flaws and conflict expanding on depth of character getting some more great development.

    -to bring continuity in pokemon giving to younger viewers insight in past sagas and one of Ash best friends who made big impact on his life.

    -to strengthen storyline making it sprinkled with some dash of unpredictability and excitement return of experienced, mature, strongwilled female seeing in what fresh, new directions writers could take her and how her comeback would influence main plot, Ash, his new friends etc.

    -promote E4 Siebold possible appearance, future Battle chateau event in anime or some of mega pokemon(Gyarados anyone?) through her.Etc.

    In general i used Misty as one of effective ways to better promote Starmie since she actually owns it never being used to its potential.

    I know writers probably wont use Misty if Starmie is set to ever play some meaningful role in future(they arent that smart), but it would be nice if they did.

    Making me question why sometime there cant exist fun, dispendable speculation? What if scenarios and more positive, creative discussion concerning this character?
    Just once.
    Instead of just questioning, negative answers and skepticism.

    I have yet to see this becoming reality on this forums.

    Quote Originally Posted by CyberCubed View Post
    They should have had Misty take Starmie into Johto instead of Staryu. I don't know why they did the opposite aside from not wanting Misty to have stronger pokemon than Ash.
    Well one of reasons from anime universe could lie in Misty preferring to keep Staryu on team instead of Starmie because of being stronger and having more experience under its belt. Its not exactly unprecedented that unevolved pokemon of same specie is stronger than its bigger, evolved form.

    Since writers already portrayed from beginning Staryu as more flexible and stronger they probably didnt want to cause confusion and gave different picture of what in reality happened. Making it seem like Starmie all of sudden after 60 episodes of weaker performance is in reality "stronger" of two starfish pokemon.
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    I've always been a Staryu/ Starmie fan personally, but the problem is there are what, over 700 Pokemon now? Out of all those Pokemon, a very small percentage have appeared on the main cast, and it could be argued that many of that small percentage of "main cast Pokemon" were not given a full chance to shine or develop, especially those owned by members of the main cast who are not Ash. Goldeen, Staryu, Horsea, Onix, Geodude, Venonat and Marill immediately spring to mind. I could probably think of more.

    Personally I've always been a Porygon fan. I really liked the idea of it, and I liked how you had to get it from the Game Corner. Unfortunately that Pokemon and its evolutions have always be shunned in the anime due to that one incident.

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    Starmie maybe be seen but chances are slim it is Misty's did they between psyduck,togepi and pikachu need anymore in kanto and Johto. Corsla, charizard and snorlax where cool and all but clearly just their for aesthetics. Pokemon like starmie and caterpie/metapod/butterfree where justearly catch pokémon in anime so Ash and Misty didn't have empty teams. Togepi's metrnome used effective teleport and psyduck and pikachu destroyed everything both where abnormally strong.
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