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    Default VGC 2012 Speed Tiers

    Getting Started

    To begin with, find the maximum Speed of the Pokemon you're building. You can find this information on our analysis pages for each Pokemon. After you've found your maximum Speed, use the following tables to see how much Speed the threats you wish to outspeed have, and EV your Pokemon accordingly. Keep in mind that when calculating your maximum Speed stat, you need to take into account your Pokemon's Speed IV.

    For example, neutral Speed natured Toxicroak can hit a maximum Speed of 137. The next biggest threat in Toxicroak's Speed tier hits 132 Speed. You can therefore safely run 133 Speed, which only requires 220 EVs as opposed to 252, and still allows Toxicroak to outrun all necessary threats.

    Speed Boosts

    To calculate your necessary starting Speed when factoring in +2 Speed moves or abilities such as Sand Rush, Chlorophyll, or Swift Swim, all you need to do is add one to the Speed of the Pokemon you wish to outspeed, divide it by two, and round up the result. In practice, for example, should you decide that you want your Ludicolo to outspeed Adamant +1 Landorus in the rain, you just add one Landorus' Speed, giving you 230. Dividing this by 2 and rounding up the result (115) gives you your desired starting Speed.

    VGC Specifics

    Remember that in VGC all Pokemon are level 50 and so speeds are lower, and it takes more EVs to increase your Speed stat. Also, in VGC Speed altering mechanics, such as Icy Wind, Tailwind, and Trick Room, are more prevalent and so there are more things to worry about when deciding what speed to run.

    Speed Stat | Pokemon | Base Speed | Nature | Boost | EVs

    Tier 0 (+Speed Base 130s and Greater)
    358 | Tornadus | 111 | +Spe | +2 | 252
    356 | Jumpluff | 110 | +Spe | +2 | 252
    334 | Zapdos | 100 | +Spe | +2 | 252
    308 | Excadrill | 88 | +Spe | +2 | 252
    304 | Zapdos | 100 | Neutral | +2 | 252
    300 | Kingdra | 85 | +Spe | +2 | 252
    294 | Yanmega | 95 | Neutral | +2 | 252
    290 | Shiftry, Venusaur | 80 | +Spe | +2 | 252
    280 | Excadrill | 88 | Neutral | +2 | 252
    274 | Kingdra | 85 | Neutral | +2 | 252
    268 | Ludicolo, Cloyster | 70 | +Spe | +2 | 252
    264 | Shiftry, Venusaur, Blaziken, Kabutops, Togekiss | 80 | Neutral | +2 | 252
    264 | Terrakion | 108 | +Spe | +1 | 252
    253 | Garchomp | 102 | +Spe | +1 | 252
    250 | Typhlosion | 100 | +Spe | +1 | 252
    244 | Ludicolo, Cloyster | 70 | Neutral | +2 | 252
    229 | Landorus | 101 | Neutral | +1 | 252
    223 | Haxorus | 97 | +Spe | +1 | 252
    220 | Darmanitan, Yanmega | 95 | Neutral | +1 | 252
    217 | Chandelure, Togekiss | 80 | +Spe | +1 | 252
    213 | Porygon-Z | 90 | Neutral | +1 | 252
    208 | Smeargle | 75 | +Spe | +1 | 252
    205 | Heracross | 85 | Neutral | +1 | 252
    201 | Metagross, Politoed | 70 | +Spe | +1 | 252
    200 | Aerodactyl, Crobat, Jolteon | 130 | +Spe | 0 | 252

    Tier 1 (Neutral Base 90s to +1 Neutral Base 80s)
    198 | Chandelure, Blaziken | 80 | Neutral | +1 | 252
    194 | Swellow, Weavile | 125 | +Spe | 0 | 252
    192 | Glaceon | 65 | +Spe | +1 | 252
    189 | Alakazam, Dugtrio | 120 | +Spe | 0 | 252
    184 | Jellicent, Abomasnow | 60 | +Spe | +1 | 252
    184 | Carracosta | 32 | +Spe | +2 | 252
    184 | Whimsicott | 116 | +Spe | 0 | 252
    183 | Azelf, Starmie, Raikou | 115 | +Spe | 0 | 252
    179 | Thundurus, Tornadus | 111 | +Spe | 0 | 252
    178 | Archeops, Espeon, Froslass, Gengar, Latias, Latios | 110 | +Spe | 0 | 252
    176 | Infernape, Terrakion, Virizion | 108 | +Spe | 0 | 252
    173 | Liepard | 106 | +Spe | 0 | 252
    172 | Manectric, Mienshao, Zoroark | 105 | +Spe | 0 | 252
    169 | Garchomp | 102 | +Spe | 0 | 252
    168 | Landorus | 101 | +Spe | 0 | 252
    167 | Charizard, Flygon, Ninetales, Salamence, Staraptor, Volcarona, Zapdos | 100 | +Spe | 0 | 252
    165 | Hydreigon | 98 | +Spe | 252 | 0
    156 | Porygon-Z, Lucario | 90 | +Spe | 0 | 252
    154 | Excadrill | 88 | +Spe | 0 | 252
    153 | Landorus | 101 | Neutral | 0 | 252
    152 | Charizard, Flygon, Ninetales, Salamence, Staraptor, Volcarona, Zapdos | 100 | Neutral | 0 | 252
    150 | Hydreigon | 98 | Neutral | 0 | 252
    150 | Kingdra | 85 | +Spe | 0 | 252
    149 | Haxorus | 97 | Neutral | 0 | 252
    147 | Arcanine, Darmanitan, Yanmega, Gliscor | 95 | Neutral | 0 | 252
    144 | Krookodile | 92 | Neutral | 0 | 252
    142 | Lucario | 90 | Neutral | 0 | 252

    Tier 2 (Neutral Base 70s to Neutral Base 88s)
    140 | Excadrill | 88 | Neutral | 0 | 252
    139 | Smeargle | 75 | +Spe | 0 | 252
    138 | Rotom-A | 86 | Neutral | 0 | 252
    137 | Kingdra, Toxicroak | 85 | Neutral | 0 | 252
    132 | Blaziken, Dragonite, Mamoswine, Medicham, Shiftry, Venusaur, Chandelure, Stoutland, Togekiss | 80 | Neutral | 0 | 252
    129 | Heatran | 77 | Neutral | 0 | 252
    127 | Absol | 75 | Neutral | 0 | 252
    123 | Honchkrow | 71 | Neutral | 0 | 252
    122 | Hitmontop, Ludicolo, Politoed, Metagross, Cloyster | 70 | Neutral | 0 | 252
    115 | Uxie | 95 | Neutral | 0 | 0
    111 | Murkrow | 91 | Neutral | 0 | 0
    107 | Ursaring | 55 | Neutral | 0 | 252
    106 | Rotom-A | 86 | Neutral | 0 | 0
    105 | Cresselia, Suicune | 85 | Neutral | 0 | 0
    101 | Gyarados | 81 | Neutral | 0 | 0
    100 | Blaziken, Dragonite, Mamoswine, Medicham, Shiftry, Venusaur, Chandelure, Stoutland, Togekiss, Gallade | 80 | Neutral | 0 | 0
    94 | Suicune | 85 | -Spe | 0 | 0
    92 | Shedinja | 40 | Neutral | 0 | 252
    92 | Carracosta | 32 | +Spe | 0 | 252
    90 | Breloom, Hitmontop, Metagross, Politoed | 70 | Neutral | 0 | 0

    Tier 3 (Minimum Base 60s to Neutral Base 65s)
    85 | Scizor | 65 | Neutral | 0 | 0
    81 | Cresselia, Heracross | 85 | -Spe, 0 IV | 0 | 0
    81 | Tyranitar | 61 | Neutral | 0 | 0
    80 | Porygon2, Empoleon, Jellicent, Lapras | 60 | Neutral | 0 | 0
    78 | Scrafty | 58 | Neutral | 0 | 0
    75 | Blissey, Golurk | 55 | Neutral | 0 | 0
    73 | Heatran | 77 | -Spe, 0 IV | 0 | 0
    76 | Chandelure | 80 | -Spe, 0 IV | 0 | 0
    70 | Eelektross, Sableye | 50 | Neutral | 0 | 0
    67 | Metagross, Politoed | 70 | -Spe, 0 IV | 0 | 0
    65 | Conkeldurr | 45 | Neutral | 0 | 0
    63 | Cradily | 43 | Neutral | 0 | 0
    63 | Glaceon | 65 | -Spe | 0 | 0
    59 | Gastrodon | 39 | Neutral | 0 | 0
    59 | Tyranitar | 61 | -Spe, 0 IV | 0 | 0
    58 | Abomasnow, Jellicent, Rampardos | 60 | -Spe, 0 IV | 0 | 0

    Tier 4 (Minimum Base 58s and Below)
    56 | Scrafty | 58 | -Spe, 0 IV | 0 | 0
    54 | Ursaring, Machamp, Golurk | 55 | -Spe, 0 IV | 0 | 0
    49 | Eelektross, Hariyama, Lickilicky | 50 | -Spe, 0 IV | 0 | 0
    47 | Ninetales | 100 | -Spe, 0 IV | -2 | 0
    46 | Carracosta | 32 | -Spe, 0 IV | 0 | 0
    46 | Hippowdon | 47 | -Spe, 0 IV | 0 | 0
    45 | Conkeldurr, Dusknoir | 45 | -Spe, 0 IV | 0 | 0
    40 | Rhyperior, Shedinja | 40 | -Spe, 0 IV | 0 | 0
    40 | Ferrothorn | 20 | Neutral | 0 | 0
    36 | Golurk | 55 | -Spe, 0 IV | 0 | -1
    34 | Bronzong | 33 | -Spe, 0 IV | 0 | 0
    33 | Politoed | 70 | -Spe, 0 IV | -2 | 0
    31 | Amoonguss, Cofagrigus, Parasect, Reuniclus, Slowbro, Slowking, Snorlax | 30 | -Spe, 0 IV | 0 | 0
    30 | Musharna | 29 | -Spe, 0 IV | 0 | 0
    29 | Tyranitar | 61 | -Spe, 0 IV | -2 | 0
    29 | Abomasnow | 60 | -Spe, 0 IV | -2 | 0
    27 | Gigalith, Dusclops | 25 | -Spe, 0 IV | 0 | 0
    23 | Hippowdon | 47 | -Spe, 0 IV | -2 | 0
    22 | Ferrothorn, Escavalier | 20 | -Spe, 0 IV | 0 | 0
    9 | Shuckle | 5 | -Spe, 0 IV | 0 | 0
    6 | Whimsicott (level 1) | 116 | -Spe, 0 IV | 0 | 0
    5 | Smeargle (level 1) | 70 | -Spe, 0 IV | 0 | 0

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    Thanks BH, can we sticky this as well?

    Also, if there's anything missing, tell me and i'll add it in

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    I think this would be better off going in the guides section.


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    Naw, no one uses the guides section, like ever lol

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    That's were the OU speed tiers are....

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    Well, if BH wants to move this, she can move this, but more people go here than the guides section

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    So strongth Dm (chew)

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    Quote Originally Posted by DragonMaster123 View Post
    Naw, no one uses the guides section, like ever lol
    We have a "Guides" section!?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PokeMaster366 View Post
    We have a "Guides" section!?
    I think I saw it once before...
    I guess this might belong in the guides section, even though that section doesn't seem to see as much use. Not my call though.

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    Yeah, I assumed this was in guides. I'll move it there now but I'll leave a redirect her for a few days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PokeMaster366 View Post
    We have a "Guides" section!?
    That's what I thought too
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