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    Rafatlas, really, don't you think "meteor mash or Flash cannon" is better than iron head? And you don't need Psychic and Zen headbutt together, Zen headbutt take care, since its Physical and Metagross Have 125 atk power and its STAB. Really, just look my moveset
    Metagross@Leftovers
    -Earthquake
    -Meteor mash/Bullet punch (cover your weakness ICE)
    -Zen headbutt
    -Agility/Ice punch
    Thats actually my Metagross, and i know that works because the great user Folding screen gave me this one, but its your choice. Also, good luck on Wifi battles!
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    Good Swampert. But to cover ice weaknesses you need more accuracy so when your in a tough corner your accuracy saves you not your power, therefore I believe Salamence should know flamethrower not heat wave

    Here's a WAY better set man

    Salamence
    Item: Leftovers
    -Dragon Dance/Earthquake (Boost your Dragon Claw or Have Good Coverage
    -Dragon Claw (More STAB)
    -Flamethrower (Cover ice weaknesses with flamethrower give yourself MUCH more accuracy)
    -Hydro Pump

    Also that charizard move set will get you killed in game and competitvley

    Here's a better one

    Charizard
    Items: Salac Berry
    -Fire Punch/Flamethrower
    -Substitute
    -Earthquake
    -Swagger

    You can swagger your foe and then substitute for your coverage. Then he might hit himself in it's confusion. For his electricity problem... That's solved, earthquake and then we have Fire Punch for our physical attack or flamethrower for amazing accuracy also you want good coverage for your charizard he has a lot of weaknesses. That is more of a competitive set so it's not that great for in game since they are AIs

    OR you can get that Gimicky like OMG its Bellyzard!!!

    Charizard
    -Belly Drum
    -Fire Punch (You need this physical move for Belly Drum to take effect)
    -Earthquake (Another Physical move it covers electricity and poison pokemon)
    -Focus Blast

    You need to have amazing luck! I reccomend first set alot more OR this Charizard set

    Charizard
    -Flamethrower
    -Dragon Pulse
    -Substitute
    -Swagger

    Also Dragonite? Ice Beam? Wrong.... Sorry but no just no. He isnt weak to grass plus he already has a dragon move to help him, Heres a MUCH better set for him

    Dragonite
    Items: Dragon Fang
    -Earthquake
    -Dragon Dance
    -Outrage
    -Surf
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    Do know that your team has huge weakness to Water types carrying Ice-type attacks. Dragonite, Charizard, Venusaur, and Salamence will die to them. You use a lot of Sp. Attacks, so Blissey users can wall it. You should post natures because that helps steer toward different moves, which would be more powerful.

    1. Dragonite
    Dragonite doesn't need all those elemental attacks. Earthquake, Fire Punch/Flamethrower, and Ice Punch/Ice Beam already have all coverage to types that Water would. I recommend the Elemental Punches due to Dragonite's HUGE attack power. For the final move, I recommend ExtremeSpeed or Roost. If you're going with the Elemental Punches, then Dragon Dance.

    2. Charizard
    Not bad. I will not replace Fly because I'm sure you want to utilize it outside of battle. I would actually replace Heat Wave with Flamethrower or Fire Blast. Flamethrower is an iota weaker, but the +10% accuracy vs Heat Wave already compensates for it and plus more.

    3. Venusaur
    There's no need for Venusaur to have 2 Grass-type attacks. You have a mixed attacker, which probably doesn't work as well on Venusaur as you had on Dragonite. Depending on your nature, which can affect Attack or Sp. Attack power, I would go the route that benefits the nature.
    For physical, keep Power Whip and EQ. Then replace the other two with Swords Dance to increase Venusaur's low attack power and Synthesis to heal yourself.
    For special, keep Sludge Bomb. Giga Drain isn't strong enough so go with Leaf Storm. The other two moves can be Synthesis and Roar. Roar to blow away anything that Venusaur is beat by.
    You can have mixed, which I would replace Giga Drain with Synthesis. Just not as effective as if you concentrate in one type.

    4. Swampert
    Swampert doesn't have an Ice Weakness. And Hammer Arm doesn't do well against Dragonite and Salamence. Aqua Tail / Surf over Hydro Pump. It's stronger with Swampert's Attack power higher than its Sp. Attack. Again, check your nature.

    5. Salamence
    Most ice moves that you encounter do not come from ice types Pokemon. So handling ice weakness with those moves don't do much. Flamethrower / Fire Blast > Heat Wave. Stone Edge doesn't provide any useful coverage for Salamence, so replace it with Earthquake. Outrage > Dragon Pulse. Outrage is way stronger since Salamence has higher Attack power than Sp. Attack. Hydro Pump also doesn't provide any good coverage since you have Earthquake, so use Dragon Dance.

    6. Metagross
    Not bad, but if you have Zen Headbutt, you don't need Psychic. And Meteor Mash is a league above Iron Head. For my Metagross, I use Agility to increase its slow speed. You don't have to. Bullet Punch and Thunderpunch are both good. The former for priority, since Metagross is lacking in speed. Thunderpunch along with Zen Headbutt provide good type coverage.

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    What about this Swampert?
    Swampert@Leftovers
    -Waterfall*
    Its Physical, so this Water move have priority
    -Earthquake*
    STAB and Powerfull!
    -Avalanche*
    Swamperts is very slow, so this move is 120 atk power, and is Physical, it help you a little, but fell free to choose other one.
    -Brick break*
    Brick break is Physical and help you a lot! is strong too.

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    Curse could go over brick break maybe to help avalanche and power up your moves.

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    Heres a better dragonite set

    Dragonite@Leftovers/Lum Berry

    -Dragon Dance
    -Outrage/Dragon Claw
    -Fire Punch/Extremespeed
    -Earthquake

    And go with the Metagross that akanjao suggested
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    Quote Originally Posted by ((JAWS)) View Post
    Yeah one physical move is fine...
    It's not fine if the set is meant to be a Belly Drum set.




    anyway, for the thread starter, put Dragon Claw over Ice Beam on Dragonite.

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    Here's a Dragonite set:

    Dragonit Adamant Nature
    ~Dragon Claw
    ~Earthquake
    ~Dragon Dance
    ~Fire Punch/Flamethrower
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    Dont do Fire Punch just keep Flamethrower! That set up there isnt that amzing heres much better set

    Dragonite
    -Flamethrower
    -Dragon Dance
    -Thunder
    -Earthquake

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    Quote Originally Posted by ((JAWS)) View Post
    Dont do Fire Punch just keep Flamethrower! That set up there isnt that amzing heres much better set

    Dragonite
    -Flamethrower
    -Dragon Dance
    -Thunder
    -Earthquake
    I disagree. With Dragonite's higher attack stat over special attack and access to Dragon Dance, Fire Punch is stronger than Flamethrower.

    I would definitely throw out Thunder. Replace with Outrage.

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    No keep thunder or put in thunder bolt for those nasty water types that spam their Ice Beam. That sounds smarter! Also Flamethrower was stronger to begin with and gets a boost so Fire Punch is not the answer
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    Flamethrower gets a boost from what?

    Flamethrower + STAB vs Fire Punch + STAB + 80 points higher Attack Stat + Dragon Dance.

    Safe to say that Flamethrower is clearly outmatched.

    Maybe Thunderpunch. Kind of weird that Thunderpunch is the only Elemental Punch to be one word. Anyway, Thunderpunch is viable, but it doesn't give Dragonite any additional coverage. Outrage is killer. A 403 Attack Point Outrage on a Water Pokemon will hurt, if not KO'd. And if Dragon Danced, that 403 goes up to 604.

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    Yes, only use fire blast over flamethrower and only use that if you need it to get around pokemon like skarmory with high defense stats, like most salamence do.

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    O but keep the Thunder Bolt we need to get rid of water types here
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    there seems to be a lot of unusefull stuff going around in this thread..

    @JAWS
    i think that surf is a much better move for dragonite. tbolt isn't the most important if you're thinking coverage (pokemon) and not SE coverage

    I agree with floatzel with the fire blast thingy.

    There are soo many things you can do with dragonite, weather it is special, special or mixed!! let the OP decide! maybe he wants a special set.. that may be why he has a bunch of special moves on his dragonite!


    Dragonite
    - Outrage / Dragon Claw
    - Fire Blast
    - Surf
    - Earthquake

    i would go with a set along this lines of this


    Swampert
    - Earthquake
    - Avalanche
    - Curse
    - Toxic / Rest / Waterfall

    use this.


    Metagross @ Choice Band
    - Hammer Arm
    - Zen Headbut
    - Ice Punch
    - Thunder Punch / Earthquake

    Metagross
    - Agility
    - Earthquake
    - Ice Punch
    - Meteor Mash

    i don't know how metagross got into the conversation but.. here are two sets

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    Ok and water types are gonna destroy that dragonite you need T-Bolt instead of surf
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    DD-boosted STAB Dragon Claw deals MORE DAMAGE on Water-Types than unboosted SE T-Bolt.

    Especially since D-Nite has higher Attack than SAtk.

    There's really no point at all in having Thunderbolt on Dragonite.

    The only exception to that is Empoleon, whose Steel typing causes it to take less damage from Dragon, but there's still no point in wasting a move slot to counter just 1 Pokemon.




    Quote Originally Posted by Kays View Post
    Kind of weird that Thunderpunch is the only Elemental Punch to be one word.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shine View Post
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    DD-boosted STAB Dragon Claw deals MORE DAMAGE on Water-Types than unboosted SE T-Bolt.

    Especially since D-Nite has higher Attack than SAtk.

    There's really no point at all in having Thunderbolt on Dragonite.

    The only exception to that is Empoleon, whose Steel typing causes it to take less damage from Dragon, but there's still no point in wasting a move slot to counter just 1 Pokemon.
    Correction: While Steel types resist a total of 11 types and 1 immunity, they however do not resist Electric-type attacks. Empoleon is still 2x weak against an Electric assault.

    Other than that, I totally agree with Shine.

    Quote Originally Posted by ((JAWS)) View Post
    Ok and water types are gonna destroy that dragonite you need T-Bolt instead of surf
    It doesn't always require a SUPER-EFFECTIVE hit to kill a Pokemon. Neutral damage is still decent. A Dragonite STAB Outrage does tons of damage. Quite possibly more than your Thunderbolt, if boosted. So in general, Outrage is better. Thunderbolt is only Super-Effective against 2 types of Pokemon: Flying and Water. Not to mention that Electric has competition from Ground (immunity), and 3 other types that resist it. Dragon-type attacks have only one resistance: Steel.
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    Okay, thank you all for the advices,
    I havent made a movement cuz ima show you the natures

    Metagross
    Brave
    Att, 346. Def, 314. SpA, 244. SpD 235. Spe 173
    Leftovers
    Psychic, zen headbutt, earthquake, iron head.

    Salamance
    Timid
    Atk, 286. Def, 194. ApA, 250. SpD, 192, speed 260
    Dragon pulse, heatwave, hydro pump, stone edge

    Venusaur
    Naughty
    Att, 236. Def, 213. Spa 256. Spd 219 speed 182
    Miracle seed
    Giga drain, earthquake, sludge bomb, power whip

    Swampert
    Modest
    Att 338, def 240, spa 232. Spd 211, speed 163
    Mystic water
    Hydro pump, hammer arm, earthq, ice beam

    Dragonite
    Bold
    Att 274 def 253, spa 237, spd 229, speed 203
    Leftovers
    Aqua tail, ice b, t bolt, flame th

    Charizard
    Gentle
    Charcoal
    Att 199, def 170, spa 255, spd 205, speed 251
    Fly, heatwave, earhq, thndrpnch

    I should have post it like this since the beginig to get more assistance,
    Thanks in advance

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    I'm rating them semi-competitively. And letting you know what is good and bad. That's not to say that they are bad in-game because the game isn't too competitive. You can win with a Lv 100 Kricketot. hehe

    1. Metagross
    Ouch, brave nature killed it. That gives Metagross -10% in attack power. And -20% if it had a +Attack nature. Use Adamant.

    2. Salamence
    Timid isn't a nature I would use on a Salamence since I want to BOOST his speed without lowering his power. Currently, your Salamence won't hit as hard as it should be. Use Jolly or Adamant.

    3. Venusaur
    It's okay. Run the Swords Dance set. But -10% Special Defense can result in a short-lived Venusaur. Use Jolly.

    4. Swampert
    Adamant would've been better, playing toward Swampert's better Attack stat over Sp. Attack. But Modest is not the worst. Know that his Sp. Attack will most likely not catch up to his Attack. By your stats, it's already 100 points off. Use Adamant.

    5. Dragonite
    Bold on Dragonite is not good. His Attack stat is now reduced significantly. Try Adamant or Jolly.

    6. Charizard
    Gentle is hardly useful anywhere. Just no. Use Timid.
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    Hey rafatlas, are you considering the posts on your thread?
    Swampert@Leftovers
    Adamant nature
    -Avalanche
    -Waterfall
    -Earthquake
    -Curse or Hammer arm.
    Metagross@Expert belt
    -Bullet punch/Ice punch
    -Zen headbutt
    -Earthquake
    -Agility/Meteor mash
    Dragonite@Leftovers
    Adamamt nature or Jolly, just like Kays say
    -Dragon dance
    -Dragon claw/Outrage
    -Fire punch
    -Earthquake
    Its the last time i help in here, cause you don't wanna use anyone moveset...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Akanjăo View Post
    Hey rafatlas, are you considering the posts on your thread?
    Swampert@Leftovers
    Adamant nature
    -Avalanche
    -Waterfall
    -Earthquake
    -Curse or Hammer arm.
    Metagross@Expert belt
    -Bullet punch/Ice punch
    -Zen headbutt
    -Earthquake
    -Agility/Meteor mash
    Dragonite@Leftovers
    Adamamt nature or Jolly, just like Kays say
    -Dragon dance
    -Dragon claw/Outrage
    -Fire punch
    -Earthquake
    Its the last time i help in here, cause you don't wanna use anyone moveset...
    I think he plans to set the nature correct first. Too many options can be overwhelming to some people who are not used to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rafatlas23 View Post
    Dragonite:
    Thunder
    Dragon Dance
    Blizzard
    Aqua tail

    Venasaur:
    Protect
    Leech Seed
    Sludge bomb
    Power whip

    Swampert:
    Waterfall
    Earthquake
    Ice Punch
    Hydro cannon

    Charizard:
    Heat wave
    Smokescreen (May help)
    Will-O-Wisp
    Fly

    Salamance:
    Fire blast
    Dragon Claw
    Rock wrecker
    Thunder Fang

    My sixth pokemon always varies..
    I use either feraligator (just cuz hes my starter)
    Blasoise
    Snorlax
    Or gengar..

    I really think gengar would be my sixth with:
    Sludge bomb
    Psychic
    Shadow ball
    Dark pulse

    I would like a recommendation on my sixth pokemon, whether i should use gengar or snorlax..
    Ps: i do not care at all about the natures, please dont tell me what i already know
    You do need to worry about the natures. That is the backbone in competitive battling. It also determines what moves need to be used, what items need to be used, and whether or not it should be bred or not. I bred my old Seismitoad with a Corsola and now I have a have a Seismitoad with an Adamant nature, arguably the best nature a Seismitoad could get. Try going into detail, please. It will help.

    To be honest, I need a fully detailed presentation of this team. What are their natures? What items are they currently holding? Also, I'd recommend Snorlax for more Bulk and reliable support. If you have one on your PC box, what is its' nature, characteristic, and item? You may need to breed with this team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kays View Post
    I think he plans to set the nature correct first. Too many options can be overwhelming to some people who are not used to it.
    Yes. Sorry if i was being an idiot rafatlas. Ya know Kays, its strange when suggested something and the other disconsider, its strange i say. Thanks for advicing me of my Rudeness.
    Hey Falcario, Dragon dance into a Special Dragonite don't fits to well, i would use DD into a Physical D-nite...

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    Yes, if you use dragon dance on dragonite use physical moves.

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