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    Out of curiosity, how much does Reshiram take from a banded V-Create?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 11tjcoulombe View Post
    Out of curiosity, how much does Reshiram take from a banded V-Create?
    20-25% But then again, my calc is quite buggy.
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    What could Rayquaza really do with V-Create?
    Sure it has a high power, but with Kyogre and so many Dragon types in Ubers, I feel like it wont be that helpful.


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    When I first saw this, I gasped in shock for ten seconds, and then realized that its really not that great. Beating specific Steel types physically isn't that great when you're praying the other guy doesn't carry Pursuit.

    EDIT: Oh, yeah, Extremespeed exists. This is actually really cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soperman View Post
    What could Rayquaza really do with V-Create?
    Sure it has a high power, but with Kyogre and so many Dragon types in Ubers, I feel like it wont be that helpful.
    Air Lock and Outrage, dumdum. It's problems will still remain as misprediction and priority.
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    Why are so many people forgetting air lock?
    Ah, no matter. I imagine it could do well with a band set, I doubt much could stand up to it.

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    Choice scarf/band are really the best tings I can think of, I'll probably use a banded one with outrage, v-create, extreme speed and whatever else. Rayquaza why y no get switching move?

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    Great, now not even Ferrothorn can switch into Rayquaza..

    I see support Groudon usage going up even more than it already is used for it's ability to wall Rayquaza, as Sun is canceled out by Air Lock.

    Well, all in all, it now has a better Fire attack to aim at Steels than Overheat.


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    It had (and still has) Fire Blast, which is still the better option for setup variants. (that, or Overheat)

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    True.


    Fire Blast/Overheat>V-Create. V-Create sends his fantastic speed down the drain.

    Seriously, though, when I saw this thread, I thought it was a "What if Rayquaza got V-Create?" thread.


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    I would have preferred Brave Bird, I wonder, if Charizard, Venusaur, Blastoise, Pikachu, Ho-oh, Lugia, Groudon, Kyogre, Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, Reshiram, or Zekrom had won if they too would have gotten V-Create.

    Charizard would like it, while Kyogre with it would be lolzy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eaglehawk View Post
    Man. Seems like once this thing comes out, I feel that Banded and Scarfed versions will become slightly more common, the reason being Rayquaza's average bulk as well as V-Create's backlash. Banded Rayquaza appreciates amazing coverage from Fire/Dragon, especially a 180 BP move, KOing everything that resists its main STAB.
    Quote Originally Posted by x_vandslaux_x View Post
    True.


    Fire Blast/Overheat>V-Create. V-Create sends his fantastic speed down the drain.

    Seriously, though, when I saw this thread, I thought it was a "What if Rayquaza got V-Create?" thread.
    1) Note how I mentioned a Banded/Scarfed Rayquaza. Using that allows for the hit and power tactic given by Scarfs and Bands. Also, considering its locked into a move by Choice, it involves a lot of switching, which means that the Speed drop really won't affected it a lot as it switches out a lot.

    2) 252 Spe Nature + Rayquaza sits in Tier 3 of the Uber Speed tiers.

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    When I first saw this, I gasped in shock for ten seconds, and then realized that its really not that great. Beating specific Steel types physically isn't that great when you're praying the other guy doesn't carry Pursuit.

    EDIT: Oh, yeah, Extremespeed exists. This is actually really cool.
    Quote Originally Posted by Soperman View Post
    What could Rayquaza really do with V-Create?
    Sure it has a high power, but with Kyogre and so many Dragon types in Ubers, I feel like it wont be that helpful.
    Does anyone actually realize how good Fire/Dragon coverage is? Only resisted by FF Tran, it can pretty much do neutral damage to the whole metagame. With Choice Band, he pretty much 2HKOs everything in Ubers with Outrage/V-Create/Extremespeed (except Heatran). Also, 180 base power with amazing coverage is insane.

    Oh and, btw, Kyogre isn't a problem. Air Lock negates Rain. Dragons aren't a problem either, as most non-scarfed dragons bar Garchomp are outsped by Timid Rayquaza, who can swiftly OHKO every one of them with Outrage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MetalFlygon08 View Post
    I would have preferred Brave Bird, I wonder, if Charizard, Venusaur, Blastoise, Pikachu, Ho-oh, Lugia, Groudon, Kyogre, Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, Reshiram, or Zekrom had won if they too would have gotten V-Create.

    Charizard would like it, while Kyogre with it would be lolzy.
    They wouldnt give kyogre v-create...there'd be literally no use to that in any respect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mesarin View Post
    They wouldnt give kyogre v-create...there'd be literally no use to that in any respect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eaglehawk
    Does anyone actually realize how good Fire/Dragon coverage is? Only resisted by FF Tran, it can pretty much do neutral damage to the whole metagame. With Choice Band, he pretty much 2HKOs everything in Ubers with Outrage/V-Create/Extremespeed (except Heatran). Also, 180 base power with amazing coverage is insane.
    It may be interesting to do a expert belt / gem set to bluff the CB / CS V-create, then smash Heatran switch-in's with EQ. Also, Fire / Dragon / Ground coverage hits everything nuetrally, with ESpeed thrown in to pick off random weakened stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soperman View Post
    What could Rayquaza really do with V-Create?
    Sure it has a high power, but with Kyogre and so many Dragon types in Ubers, I feel like it wont be that helpful.
    Whenever there are dragons, there are steel types. Just because it's not Uber doesn't mean it isn't popular there, as that is one of the tiers not based on usage.

    I don't play it much, but I here Skarmory and Ferrothorn are pretty popular there. I know that at least in 4th gen, at Scizor was to(though I'm not sure about know).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mesarin View Post
    They wouldnt give kyogre v-create...there'd be literally no use to that in any respect.
    It's Gamefreak. The people who gave us Quiet Eruption Heatrans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MetalFlygon08 View Post
    I would have preferred Brave Bird, I wonder, if Charizard, Venusaur, Blastoise, Pikachu, Ho-oh, Lugia, Groudon, Kyogre, Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, Reshiram, or Zekrom had won if they too would have gotten V-Create.

    Charizard would like it, while Kyogre with it would be lolzy.
    Seriously doubt it. They probably had moves planned for each of them.

    Blastoise: Shell Smash
    Pikachu: Surf
    Lugia: Hurricane

    These are some I would've liked too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rocky505 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MetalFlygon08 View Post
    I would have preferred Brave Bird, I wonder, if Charizard, Venusaur, Blastoise, Pikachu, Ho-oh, Lugia, Groudon, Kyogre, Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, Reshiram, or Zekrom had won if they too would have gotten V-Create.

    Charizard would like it, while Kyogre with it would be lolzy.
    Seriously doubt it. They probably had moves planned for each of them.

    Blastoise: Shell Smash
    Pikachu: Surf
    Lugia: Hurricane

    These are some I would've liked too.
    Charizard: Brave Bird or Sky Attack
    Venusaur: ??? Don't know
    Ho-oh: Blast Burn
    Groudon: Blast Burn
    Kyogre: Hydro Cannon
    Dialga: Spacial Rend
    Palkia: Roar of Time
    Giratina: Judgement
    Reshiram: Bolt Strike
    Zekrom: Blue Flare

    These are my Ideas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cooloolcool View Post
    Charizard: Brave Bird or Sky Attack
    Venusaur: ??? Don't know
    Ho-oh: Blast Burn
    Groudon: Blast Burn
    Kyogre: Hydro Cannon
    Dialga: Spacial Rend
    Palkia: Roar of Time
    Giratina: Judgement
    Reshiram: Bolt Strike
    Zekrom: Blue Flare

    These are my Ideas.

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    Those moves are awful.....

    Groudon and oh-oh would get V-create aswell but NVM

    anyway V-create have the same BP as STAB Outrage, now he can use a more powerful fire move
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    I'd just like to add this.

    CB Quaza vs. 252/0 Neutral Heatran = 44.3% - 52.1%. Thats a guaranteed 2KO with SR.

    So now the only things that can switch in on CBQuaza are things that will be OHKOed by V-Create(or physically defensive Heatran).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aurawarrior8 View Post
    I'd just like to add this.

    CB Quaza vs. 252/0 Neutral Heatran = 44.3% - 52.1%. Thats a guaranteed 2KO with SR.

    So now the only things that can switch in on CBQuaza are things that will be OHKOed by V-Create(or physically defensive Heatran).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eaglehawk View Post
    YOu seem to forget about Flash Fire...
    I heard it will do 48% to 54% to a kyogre.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rocky505 View Post
    I heard it will do 48% to 54% to a kyogre.
    IIRC, it should be able to 2-3HKO most variants of kyogre. Of course, any ice beam from kyogre should OHKO Rayquaza.

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