Page 6 of 6 FirstFirst ... 23456
Results 126 to 141 of 141

Thread: Rayquaza with V-create?

  1. #126
    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Location
    The Old West
    Posts
    1,339

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by tleon View Post
    in essence it would tear through uber walls and switch ins also if it has dragon dance the speed drop wouldn't do anything and it could sweep with ease
    The main reason to run Dragon Dance over Swords Dance is so you get a speedy sweeper, though. V-create ruins that.

    It's better to run Overheat or Fire Blast on dragon dance sets.
    Venemo Oscuridad - 6 Battles
    Magnemite used Sonic Boom! Magnemite glitched through the wall! It's super effective! Lyric fainted!

  2. #127
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Citadark Isle
    Posts
    1,359

    Default

    V-create will allow rayquaza to be more of a unpredictable sweeper it can go either mixed physical or special and have perfect coverage now

    the main way to use v-creat imo is to give it max spe and then sweep with other moves and v-create when it is required


    Credits to Sworn for the Banner, buttons to astral shadow, Drac Buttons to EG

  3. #128
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    208

    Default

    V-Create is weird on Rayquaza. Weird in the sense that Rayquaza can use it without ever needing to fear V-Create being weakened by the rain, but never getting the boost from the sun.
    Gen VI Pokedex, here I come!
    Gen V National Pokédex: 649/649

    3DS FC: 3239-3604-9829

  4. #129

    Default

    V-create Rayquaza would own.

  5. #130
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    Columbus, GA
    Posts
    283

    Default

    Was going to say it'll help stop Grass - Arceus from crapping all over your weather inducer. But then I remembered Arceus has 120 speed
    MewtwoTHOUSAND is an original character DO NOT STEAL.

    Oh and I use cheating devices to hack legitimate pokemon that I use for my own amusement only, get over it.

  6. #131

    Default

    Yah, but remember; v-create decreases defense, sp.defense and speed by 1 level. This is the only downfall.

  7. #132
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Location
    Johto
    Posts
    1,337

    Default

    To be truthfully honest, V-Create isn't a great move on Rayquaza. Overheat and Fire Blast hit lots of things hard like V-Create does and have no drops (apart from Overheat). DD sets are sorta redundant with a speed-lowering move, not to mention that 150 SAtk is great.
    Yveltal, the Destruction Pokémon: "When its life comes to an end, it absorbs the life energy of every living thing and turns into a cocoon once more."

        Spoiler:- Current Hunts:


  8. #133
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Location
    United States
    Posts
    13

    Default

    V-create should only be used on choice sets IMO, as the stat drops include speed, and Rayquaza generally needs as much speed as possible.
    DW Pokemon I can offer:

  9. #134
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Posts
    2,151

    Default

    V-Create / Outrage / Draco Meteor / Extremespeed.

    1-2HKOs every single Pokemon in Ubers... besides Heatran I guess.

  10. #135
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    Your computer screen.
    Posts
    1,713

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Harvest View Post
    V-Create / Outrage / Draco Meteor / Extremespeed.

    1-2HKOs every single Pokemon in Ubers... besides Heatran I guess.
    That's why you run a band set with Earthquake, just in case.
    Hi, I'm part of the staff on Pokemon Showdown!, if you have any questions or need any help, VM or PM me.

  11. #136

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by AquaRegisteel View Post
    To be truthfully honest, V-Create isn't a great move on Rayquaza. Overheat and Fire Blast hit lots of things hard like V-Create does and have no drops (apart from Overheat). DD sets are sorta redundant with a speed-lowering move, not to mention that 150 SAtk is great.
    But without V-create, can Rayquaza, after a Swords Dance, destroy Groudon and Arceus in one hit without locking itself into Outrage for 2-3 turns, and thus rendering itself unable to use ExtremeSpeed during those turns, and therefore leave itself open to being revenge-killed by any faster dragon?

    Another benefit of V-create that I can think of lies in the sheer difference in power between this move after a Swords Dance and Overheat. From my experience, many trainers, especially users of stall teams, like to play mindgames against Swords Dance Rayquaza, by switching back and forth between their own Pokémon, trying to wear down Rayquaza with its Life Orb recoil as well as tricking the Sky High Pokémon into hitting their Ferrothorn's Iron Barbs on the switch with Dragon Claw or ExtremeSpeed (as you can observe my opponent attempting to do in this replay), baiting it into using Overheat by sending out their Ferrothorn, Forretress or Skarmory only to switch to a Pokémon that resists Fire-type moves, and in effect cutting the power of Rayquaza's Overheat in half while making the dragon suffer Life Orb damage in exchange for dealing a pitiful amount of damage on that turn, having their Ferrothorn staying in against Rayquaza to Leech Seed it while predicting Rayquaza to use Dragon Claw instead of Overheat in an attempt to predict a switch, and then stalling it with Protect, and things like that. However, with V-create as Rayquaza's move of choice for dealing with Steel-type Pokémon, I think the Dragon/Flying-type Pokémon would find itself experiencing a much easier time in this situation, as even in the event that the opponent withdraws their Steel-type Pokémon from Rayquaza and sends in something that resists Fire-type moves, even that Pokémon would be unlikely to enjoy taking a +2 V-create on the switch, and would even be pretty much certainly finished off by an ExtremeSpeed on the following turn.

    Quote Originally Posted by MatchMaster View Post
    V-create should only be used on choice sets IMO, as the stat drops include speed, and Rayquaza generally needs as much speed as possible.
    Considering ExtremeSpeed is Swords Dance Rayquaza's main attack, Rayquaza hardly needs Speed with that moveset, as after using V-create to destroy that which neither Dragon Claw nor ExtremeSpeed can take out in one hit after a Swords Dance, the Sky High Pokémon can then continue sweeping with ExtremeSpeed anyway.

  12. #137
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Location
    New York
    Posts
    109

    Default

    nobody that knows what they are doing in ubers runs v create on rayquaza
    Guns don't kill people. I kill people.

  13. #138
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Location
    Maine
    Posts
    2,866

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Phoopes View Post
    That's why you run a band set with Earthquake, just in case.
    Then stuff like Grass Arceus can come in and set up on you for free.

  14. #139
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Location
    Atlanta,Georgia
    Posts
    422

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmic Potato View Post
    nobody that knows what they are doing in ubers runs v create on rayquaza
    Well

    http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3465990

    I'm in chrage of revamping Rayquaza, and it has plenty of merit. It gives Rayquaza a powerful Fire-type Attack, which goes great with its Dragon-STAB, making it powerful. Yes, the stat drops suck, but a base 180 power attack is nothing to scoff at

    I chase the dream, not the competition.


  15. #140
    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Location
    In your trash can
    Posts
    236

    Default

    CB Rayquaza would own Skarmory if it gets V-Create. Skarm laughed at this set because of great Defense and Ray was locking itself into Outrage.

  16. #141
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Posts
    250

    Default

    V-create Rayquaza would rip through like tissue papers. V-Create/Dragon Pulse/Extremespeed/Earthquake is probably the best set for it. I think

Page 6 of 6 FirstFirst ... 23456

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •