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    I love this pokemon's gothic looks. Because Male Kirlia have a male evolution a gen later, will male Gothorita get one, too? I bet it would look cool!

    Anyways, Here's something that could work.

    Nature: Bold or Modest
    EVS: 252 HP, 63 Sp. Def, & 189 Def or 129 Sp. Def, 252 Sp. Def, & 129 Sp.Att/HP
    Item: Light Clay or Lefties
    Moves:
    Reflect
    Calm Mind
    Psychic
    Hidden Power Fire/thunderbolt/charge beam

    It could help Gothitelle last some time. Best teamed up with a good steel counter.

    My favorites happen to be mid-evolved poison types.

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    yeah... raising this thing could take a while...
    Ability: Shadow Tag (when they release shadow tag gothitelle)/frisk
    Nature:Adamant(+sp attack/- attack)/Brave(+attack/- speed)
    Moves: Psychic/Psyshock
    Dark Pulse
    Calm Mind/Rock Slide/Brick Break/Toxic
    Brick Break/Toxic/Calm Mind/Rock Slide
    Don't ask. the main moves to point out are Dark Pulse, Rock Slide, and Brick Break. Dark Pulse will eliminate some fear from Ghost pokemon like Gengar, Rock Slide will cover some bug types, while Brick Break will cover dark types. really though, dark pulse is a need. the two others are more so fillers for one who doesn't like the support moves.
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    It has base 55 attack so never use brick break or any physical moves on it. Use HP fighting instead of brick break

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    For me gothitelle is a good pokemon although I never used one and I don't like it very much! Still the pokemon is very capable and has decent varieties of sets available to it.

    Shadow tag is scary... Sadly it's not available yet. Frisk is not that scary but has it's uses can be sometimes very handy and ruin an opponent's plan.

    the sets are:
    Toxi-gimmick gothic
    Gothitelle@leftovers
    Ability: Frisk/Shadow tag
    nature: Modest or Timid (if you want more speed)
    EVs: 252 Sp ATT/ 252 Sp DEF/ 4 DEF or HP
    Moveset:
    -Charm/Reflect
    -Toxic
    -Psychic/Psyshock
    -Hidden power (Fight)
    This set makes you mega bulky... The EVs focus on your Sp DEF meaning that you'll take special hits pretty easily. Cover your physical side with reflect that will double your defense or with Charm that will cut the opponent's attack by half. Toxic will bring down tanks that are not steels and might be played as a toxishuffler of some sort with charm.
    Psychic is standard best psychic type attack but psyshock can hit something defensively frail much harder. Hidden power fight is for opposing steels that you don't have any other way to deal with them!

    Straight forward attacking gothic
    Gothitelle@leftovers
    Same as above
    Evs: 252 Sp ATT / 252 HP / 4 SPD
    Moveset:
    -Calm mind
    -Psychic/Psyshock
    -Shadow ball
    -Hidden power (fight)
    Pretty simple... Boost then attack. For this set I'd go for psyshock instead of psychic so I can hit on the physical side of an opponent's pokemon with at least one move.

    Gothitelle has plenty of other moves like Taunt, Thunder wave, thunderbolt, Energy ball, Dark pulse, Trick room, Heal block, Magic room, Light screen, Miracle eye and Mirror coat.
    -Taunt is taunt no explaining to do... Makes supporter pokemon useless.
    -Thunder wave and trick room are two forms os dealing with your mediocre speed.
    -Energy ball, Dark pulse and thunderbolt are other decent special moves but not much of a cover.
    -Heal block will ruin a tank and speed up toxic damage. Very useful since gothitelle lacks a recovery move.
    -Magic room will make the items useless... Ruining an opponent's strategy is always fun.
    -Light screen can be added with reflect for team support.
    -Miracle eye makes psychic hit dark types... a good option in gimmick sets when you don't have hidden power fight or shadow ball.
    -Since gothitelle is bulky is the special area a nice predicted mirror coat will deal a whole lot of damage to your opponent... IN YOUR FACE!

    In general it has a nice movepool that can go the sweeping, tanking or supporting route... Not the best pokemon though but pretty good in every way! The main problem of this pokemon is that usually steel types will wall you completely unless you have hidden power (fight) wich will not just score super effective damage but will deal a nice chunk of HP to them seeing it's a special move!

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    Quote Originally Posted by floatzel98 View Post
    It has base 55 attack so never use brick break or any physical moves on it. Use HP fighting instead of brick break
    Yeah...

    My rule is that if the base stat is 70 or less, forget it. Special attacks are always the way to go.
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    Even with a base of 70 you won't be hitting to hard. Gothitelle does have pretty good defense as well. I was going to say you could try a eviolite set on gothorita, but it's offense isn't that great and psychic typing is kind lets it down more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Asbestospoison View Post
    There are no overworld sprites for most gen 5 pokemon IIRC, making it unlikely we'll get them before a third game. But it should go w/out saying that when/if they are released, Shadow Tag should be used over frisk. Anyways, their's always DW tiers.
    What does having an overworld sprite have anything to do with it getting Shadow Tag?
    Quote Originally Posted by Ishnura View Post
    yeah... raising this thing could take a while...
    Ability: Shadow Tag (when they release shadow tag gothitelle)/frisk
    Nature:Adamant(+sp attack/- attack)/Brave(+attack/- speed)
    Moves: Psychic/Psyshock
    Dark Pulse
    Calm Mind/Rock Slide/Brick Break/Toxic
    Brick Break/Toxic/Calm Mind/Rock Slide
    Don't ask. the main moves to point out are Dark Pulse, Rock Slide, and Brick Break. Dark Pulse will eliminate some fear from Ghost pokemon like Gengar, Rock Slide will cover some bug types, while Brick Break will cover dark types. really though, dark pulse is a need. the two others are more so fillers for one who doesn't like the support moves.
    Never, ever, EVER give a Special Attacker Adamant or Brave. If you want mixed, go for something that lowers Defense, Speed, or Sp. Def, never one of the stats you need.
    Now, with that, there is quite a bit wrong with your set (no offense). First of all, you dont have EVs. Second, with such a low base Attack stat, don;t even bother trying to use it competitively. Teach it Calm Mind and Shadow Ball or HP Fighting, not Brick Break or Rock Slide.


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    What does having an overworld sprite have anything to do with it getting Shadow Tag?
    When you get a pokemon from the DW, they appear in the entry forest as overworld sprites.

    Though that doesn't mean it'll never be released.
    Even with a base of 70 you won't be hitting to hard. Gothitelle does have pretty good defense as well. I was going to say you could try a eviolite set on gothorita, but it's offense isn't that great and psychic typing is kind lets it down more.
    Yeah....she really got the short end of the stick, while her brother was an easy OU. In fact, Gothitelle is utterly outclassed by Reuniclus.

    It's a niche pokemon, and it's niche still hasn't been released. If you're going to use it, use it in DW OU.
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    I hate to burst your bubbles but did you know Ray Rizzo, the pokemon video game world champion used his gothitelle on the final round and won this august 2011 paired with escavalier? wow huh? find that on Ign i guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jireh the provider View Post
    I hate to burst your bubbles but did you know Ray Rizzo, the pokemon video game world champion used his gothitelle on the final round and won this august 2011 paired with escavalier? wow huh? find that on Ign i guess.
    Is the VGC2011 even comparable to OU singles?

    One is Unova 4vs4 only with two pokemon out at a time, and OU is any generation, 6vs6, only one out on a time.
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    Gothitelle as of now - complete garbage.
    Gothitelle when Shadow Tag is released - easy OU.. maybe even Uber.

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    Gothitelle. I've always liked her design, but I have yet to use her, in-game and competitively.

    While Frisk is nice for scouting, Shadow Tag will get her more use. I guess Frisk can be used with Trick or locking choiced Pokemon in a move with Protect, but there are better ways to accomplish that.

    If I were to use Gothitelle, I'd probably go with something like this:

    Gothitelle @Chesto Berry
    Bold
    252HP/252Def/4Sp.Atk

    Calm Mind
    Rest
    Psyshock
    HP Fighting

    Maxed defense, boosts special defense and attack with Calm Mind, when low on health, Rest+Chesto, then starts sweeping. At least that's the theory.
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    It's not that Goth is too bad in her own right, at least by NU standards. Pretty nice defenses and good special attack. The problem is...why would I ever want to use this thing over Musharna? Or Mesprit? I guess there's Taunt, but that's about it. Heck, even Grumpig and Exeggutor have reasons to be used over this thing as a bulky or offensive Psychic type.

    Shadow Tag might actually be Goth's claim to fame. Dream World abilities in mind, Goth is the best offensive user of Shadow Tag that has a shot at staying out of Ubers (ST Chandy doesn't stand a chance). Unfortunately, Shadow Tag Goth isn't even released yet, so there's really not much that Goth can do.

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    Great! Gothitelle- combonation of the words 'gothic', and the French word for girl.

    A few things to be noted. Although it doesn't get recover, it can be a great tank. As mentioned in the Dugtrio episode, a good trick to try is get another Pokemon to 'death' fodder hp level, then use the move Memento, and then set up your Calm minds like a nut.

    Another option is to use it like so many pokes with this move- Trick room. Yeah, boring much, at least now it is.

    Other options(you know, the smarter ones...)
    Mirror coat. Make this girl have a mink too. How fitting.
    Tickle is another option. It can cut down foes so that you can use Psyshock better, and/or make it harder to hit you physically. And the word has been spoken:
    Physical Gothitelle. Unless you want to use special Escailiver along side it... The point is, don't even think about it. It's useless.(but fun)

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    I was so excited about Gothitelle because it was another Pokemon that could use Frisk, but then I learned it couldn't learn Theif or Covet. Kind of a put down... But this does have... very few uses in battle. One use it does have though is, when combined with what Gothitelle was basically made to do, is render items useless.

    Insert Item Blocking Name Here
    Timid +Spd/-Atk, Bold +Def/-Atk

    Leftovers

    Embargo
    Psychic/Psyshock
    Calm Mind
    Hidden Power (Fighting)

    Embargo prevents the opponent from using their items. Better than Wonder Room in the sense that it doesn't prevent you from using your item, but it's bad since the opponent can just switch out. Psychic and Psyshock are two strong psychic moves. Psyshock is unique since it does damage based on Defense. Calm Mind increases your Sp Atk and your Sp Def. Then Hidden Power (Fighting) covers Dark types which you can't hit with your psychic attacks.

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    Embargo would probably be a better move for it in-game where it can stop people from using potions and stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Serpentine View Post
    I was so excited about Gothitelle because it was another Pokemon that could use Frisk, but then I learned it couldn't learn Theif or Covet. Kind of a put down... But this does have... very few uses in battle. One use it does have though is, when combined with what Gothitelle was basically made to do, is render items useless.

    Insert Item Blocking Name Here
    Timid +Spd/-Atk, Bold +Def/-Atk

    Leftovers

    Embargo
    Psychic/Psyshock
    Calm Mind
    Hidden Power (Fighting)

    Embargo prevents the opponent from using their items. Better than Wonder Room in the sense that it doesn't prevent you from using your item, but it's bad since the opponent can just switch out. Psychic and Psyshock are two strong psychic moves. Psyshock is unique since it does damage based on Defense. Calm Mind increases your Sp Atk and your Sp Def. Then Hidden Power (Fighting) covers Dark types which you can't hit with your psychic attacks.
    Maybe Timid isn;t the best idea. Take a look at its Speed...
    Plus, Embargo isn't that great of an Attack. I think it prevents your opponent from using an item like a potion or something, not the item the opponent's pokemon is holding. Please correct me if I'm wrong.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Zachmac View Post
    Is the VGC2011 even comparable to OU singles?

    One is Unova 4vs4 only with two pokemon out at a time, and OU is any generation, 6vs6, only one out on a time.
    Just pointing out. But I believe the VGC environment is a much more specified battlefield compared to the wifi online.
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    A Shadow Tagger revenge killer ?

    something like that

    Gothitelle @Choice Scarf
    Timid (+ Speed, - Atk)
    4HP / 252 Sp.Atk / 252 Speed

    Psyshock
    Dark Pulse
    Thunderbolt
    EnergyBall

    Can easily revenge kill Fighting, Poison, Psychic, Ghost, Water, Flying, Rock, Ground and with 377 speed, well, it's faster than all non choice scarfers with at least 115 speed and nature positive + 252 EV (For example, Starmie Full Speed has 361 speed)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soperman View Post
    Maybe Timid isn;t the best idea. Take a look at its Speed...
    Plus, Embargo isn't that great of an Attack. I think it prevents your opponent from using an item like a potion or something, not the item the opponent's pokemon is holding. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
    Well then, you're wrong. It blocks Item use by Pokemon and Trainer alike. No Hold Items nor Trainer Use Items can be used on the target. Read the Battle Effect on Embargo.

    If anyone uses the Wonder Launcher rules, Embargo is a massive "screw you" to the opponent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraleck View Post
    Well then, you're wrong. It blocks Item use by Pokemon and Trainer alike. No Hold Items nor Trainer Use Items can be used on the target. Read the Battle Effect on Embargo.

    If anyone uses the Wonder Launcher rules, Embargo is a massive "screw you" to the opponent.
    How many competitive players play wonder launcher?

    A knock off supporter is generally better, as it last the whole battle, rather then 5 rounds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zachmac View Post
    How many competitive players play wonder launcher?

    A knock off supporter is generally better, as it last the whole battle, rather then 5 rounds.
    yeah, but does that mean it actually stops the boost from life orb if someone were to use it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by floatzel98 View Post
    yeah, but does that mean it actually stops the boost from life orb if someone were to use it?
    Life orb grants a boost to whoever holds it. Knock off causes the pokemon to loose their held item, therefore, yes, it would stop it.

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    I lovelovelove this pokemon!

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    Gothitelle with Leftovers
    Quiet nature
    EV's: Max HP and defense

    Calm Mind
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    Quote Originally Posted by Asbestospoison View Post
    Life orb grants a boost to whoever holds it. Knock off causes the pokemon to loose their held item, therefore, yes, it would stop it.
    Not knock off, Embargo. Would it stop the pokemon from getting the boost. Same with choice items. Does it stop them? Or just items such as potions.

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