Community POTW #56

[floatzel98]

Embargo would probably be a better move for it in-game where it can stop people from using potions and stuff.

[Soperman]

I was so excited about Gothitelle because it was another Pokemon that could use Frisk, but then I learned it couldn't learn Theif or Covet. Kind of a put down... But this does have... very few uses in battle. One use it does have though is, when combined with what Gothitelle was basically made to do, is render items useless.

Insert Item Blocking Name Here
Timid +Spd/-Atk, Bold +Def/-Atk

Leftovers

Embargo
Psychic/Psyshock
Calm Mind
Hidden Power (Fighting)

Embargo prevents the opponent from using their items. Better than Wonder Room in the sense that it doesn't prevent you from using your item, but it's bad since the opponent can just switch out. Psychic and Psyshock are two strong psychic moves. Psyshock is unique since it does damage based on Defense. Calm Mind increases your Sp Atk and your Sp Def. Then Hidden Power (Fighting) covers Dark types which you can't hit with your psychic attacks.

Maybe Timid isn;t the best idea. Take a look at its Speed...
Plus, Embargo isn't that great of an Attack. I think it prevents your opponent from using an item like a potion or something, not the item the opponent's pokemon is holding. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

[jireh the provider]

Is the VGC2011 even comparable to OU singles?

One is Unova 4vs4 only with two pokemon out at a time, and OU is any generation, 6vs6, only one out on a time.

Just pointing out. But I believe the VGC environment is a much more specified battlefield compared to the wifi online.

[sSerenity]

A Shadow Tagger revenge killer ?

something like that

Gothitelle @Choice Scarf
Timid (+ Speed, - Atk)
4HP / 252 Sp.Atk / 252 Speed

Psyshock
Dark Pulse
Thunderbolt
EnergyBall

Can easily revenge kill Fighting, Poison, Psychic, Ghost, Water, Flying, Rock, Ground and with 377 speed, well, it's faster than all non choice scarfers with at least 115 speed and nature positive + 252 EV (For example, Starmie Full Speed has 361 speed)

[Kraleck]

Maybe Timid isn;t the best idea. Take a look at its Speed...
Plus, Embargo isn't that great of an Attack. I think it prevents your opponent from using an item like a potion or something, not the item the opponent's pokemon is holding. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Well then, you're wrong. It blocks Item use by Pokemon and Trainer alike. No Hold Items nor Trainer Use Items can be used on the target. Read the Battle Effect on Embargo.

If anyone uses the Wonder Launcher rules, Embargo is a massive "screw you" to the opponent.

[Zachmac]

Well then, you're wrong. It blocks Item use by Pokemon and Trainer alike. No Hold Items nor Trainer Use Items can be used on the target. Read the Battle Effect on Embargo.

If anyone uses the Wonder Launcher rules, Embargo is a massive "screw you" to the opponent.

How many competitive players play wonder launcher?

A knock off supporter is generally better, as it last the whole battle, rather then 5 rounds.

[floatzel98]

How many competitive players play wonder launcher?

A knock off supporter is generally better, as it last the whole battle, rather then 5 rounds.

yeah, but does that mean it actually stops the boost from life orb if someone were to use it?

[Asbestospoison]

yeah, but does that mean it actually stops the boost from life orb if someone were to use it?

Life orb grants a boost to whoever holds it. Knock off causes the pokemon to loose their held item, therefore, yes, it would stop it.

[deoxysdude94]

I lovelovelove this pokemon!

My Set

Gothitelle with Leftovers
Quiet nature
EV's: Max HP and defense

Calm Mind
Psychic
Shadow Ball
Grass Knot

[floatzel98]

Life orb grants a boost to whoever holds it. Knock off causes the pokemon to loose their held item, therefore, yes, it would stop it.

Not knock off, Embargo. Would it stop the pokemon from getting the boost. Same with choice items. Does it stop them? Or just items such as potions.

[Asbestospoison]

Not knock off, Embargo. Would it stop the pokemon from getting the boost. Same with choice items. Does it stop them? Or just items such as potions.

It affects held items, yes. It's still inferior to knock off in every way though.

[grantholomew]

A knock off supporter is generally better, as it last the whole battle, rather then 5 rounds.

Even if Embargo only works for five rounds, you have to know if your opponent will last for 5 rounds. Besides, Gothitelle doesn't get Knock Off, and even if it did, shouldn't use it because it's a physical attack. Of course, Embargo, if being used at all, should only be used on a Frisk set, which is still inferior to a Shadow Tag set.

[Kraleck]

Even if Embargo only works for five rounds, you have to know if your opponent will last for 5 rounds. Besides, Gothitelle doesn't get Knock Off, and even if it did, shouldn't use it because it's a physical attack. Of course, Embargo, if being used at all, should only be used on a Frisk set, which is still inferior to a Shadow Tag set.

Well put. Frisk is all we get (for now), so we may as well consider the option anyway. That said, Embargo does limit your offensive options, so you need to plan wisely. An Embargo set in Doubles/Triples can be devastating if played right...

[henryshen11]

Well I have to say, Gothitelle is a decent pokemon alright, useable for battles, but never my first choice. It's SA isn't that high, either is it's SD, Sp. there are a lot of phychic pokemons that can replace it.

[grantholomew]

Well I have to say, Gothitelle is a decent pokemon alright, useable for battles, but never my first choice. It's SA isn't that high, either is it's SD, Sp. there are a lot of phychic pokemons that can replace it.

Yeah, even among the new Generation V Psychic-types, each one has their own specialty. Reuniclus is the most used because of its combination of bulk, and power. Beheeyem is not as bulky but can be just as powerful or more with Analytic. Musharna is bulkier than Reuniclus but lacks a good movepool and power compared to the green blob. Sigilyph is sorta bluky, sorta sweeper. Swoobat is...weird. Basically Gothitelle is neither bulkier nor stronger than Reuniclus, which is why it is NeverUsed while Reuniclus is OverUsed. But Gothitelle will get Shadow Tag, which will give it its niche eventually.

[Vandslaux]

If this thing gets Shadow Tag ever, it might go to Ubers. It's a Wobb with no Encore, but can attack.

[Kraleck]

If this thing gets Shadow Tag ever, it might go to Ubers. It's a Wobb with no Encore, but can attack.

But we must remember one thing: Shadow Tag allows you to switch out of an opponent's Shadow Tag. It's a game of chicken if Wobbuffet, DW Gothitelle, or DW Chandelure face another from those 3. Gothitelle can get out of Chandelure's Shadow Tag with its own Shadow Tag, which is the right decision and gives you a "safe switch" option, especially if Chand' uses Shadow Ball for the Type advantage and you swap to a Normal Type.

[Zachmac]

But we must remember one thing: Shadow Tag allows you to switch out of an opponent's Shadow Tag. It's a game of chicken if Wobbuffet, DW Gothitelle, or DW Chandelure face another from those 3. Gothitelle can get out of Chandelure's Shadow Tag with its own Shadow Tag, which is the right decision and gives you a "safe switch" option, especially if Chand' uses Shadow Ball for the Type advantage and you swap to a Normal Type.

That's far to rare of an ability though. I agree with you, but for a completely different reason. This doesn't matter much.

If this thing gets Shadow Tag ever, it might go to Ubers. It's a Wobb with no Encore, but can attack.

But how much can it counter, exactly? Dugtrio has a similar ability to, remember? I don't think Gothitelle can counter enough to be much of a threat.

[Vandslaux]

Now I realize that Encore + Destiny Bond + CounterCoat + Custap Berry almost guaranteed him 2 kills a game or a free set up for a sweeper is the very thing that pushed Wobb to Ubers last gen.

[Magicmonkey]

if it gets shadow tag, an idea i have been toying with in DW is to use memento, then send it it
it has decent bulk, and could set up lloads of calm minds or something, if the opponent has no super effective moves, or better, is scarf locked. works better against special attackers, as calm mind will let you laugh.