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    Default The End of Third versions?

    So now that Gen 7 started without a Pokémon Z or another B2/W2 situation does this mean GF won`t do third versions anymore as of Gen 7 or is this just a onetime thing?

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    They will still do it, maybe next year??



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    Quote Originally Posted by DiaRubyTandem View Post
    They will still do it, maybe next year??
    Pokémon Z? There really isn't any point anymore. They could just bring Zygarde`s forms into SM

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red and Blue View Post
    Pokémon Z? There really isn't any point anymore. They could just bring Zygarde`s forms into SM
    After SM, they should make an Earth version :3



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    There's really not much of a point in discussing this. Game Freak is obviously in a very experimental phase right now. It's possible that skipping the third version could be the new normal, or they could just go right back to normal next gen. There's really no way to tell right now.

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    I really, really hope not. If there were no more third versions, there would be no Pokemon Z or whatever that would be. And by extension, no Trainer Customization 2.0 unless S&M has it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red and Blue View Post
    So now that Gen 7 started without a Pokémon Z or another B2/W2 situation does this mean GF won`t do third versions anymore as of Gen 7 or is this just a onetime thing?
    Masuda was quoted on the matter (don't remember when or where) that he wants to surprise fans, and the BW sequels (B2W2) and the absence of a third version in Gen 6 are certainly good ways in showing that.

    However, I feel we will have third versions again in Gen 7 because of two reasons: 1) Masuda's intend of surprising us (a double third version would be a nice surprise) and 2) Since Gen 7 is on the 3DS, we can rule out DP remakes as it seems they only make remakes once on a handheld (GBA had FR/LG, DS had HG/SS and the 3DS had OR/AS)

    We should also not rule them DP remakes out completely however, since if they make them on 3DS, it will be another surprise, and it will break the norm ''a handheld gets a remake only once'' that has been formed recently.

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    I think that they want to sell games in pairs more than just a single game because it makes more money. Third versions are better than the first pair games but it seems Game Freak is going to stick with pair games for now on. Sadly, I think this is the end of third version games.
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    My only gripe with not having a third version to X and Y were the lack of new Zygarde forms. Other than that, I was content with everything. I just hope they put the forms in Sun & Moon.

    I don't really mind not having third versions anymore. Gen V didn't even have that, they had sequels instead. Also third versions always sell less than the first 2 games of a generation. At this point, I sort of wished Game Freak already put the extras from third versions into the first 2. For example I feel like all the extras from Platinum should've been in Diamond & Pearl already. I don't mind playing through the same adventure again but I wished Game Freak would've make the first 2 versions complete so they don't become less valuable. I can live without features like the Battle Frontier as long as there is at least one Battle facility, and Pokémon games still have lots to do even without those extra features. ORAS still had a lot of content despite no Battle Frontier. And contrary to what a lot of people think, I thought X and Y still had a lot to do even though I thought Platinum, HGSS, and BW2 had a little more post game content.

    If they make third versions again I will still buy them, because I buy every main series game that comes out now. If they don't that's fine, I still really enjoyed Gen 6. I personally would like to see Diamond and Pearl remakes more than a third version to Sun & Moon.

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    I think its because since they're doing more work on the original versions, they don't need third versions. And with BW2, they wanted to give actual variety to the "remake"
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    I think they just decided to incorporate those "third version additional content" in a different game, instead of a classic third version.

    For Gen VI, they put the "third version content" in ORAS. In Gen V, it was in BW2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boss1991 View Post
    I think they just decided to incorporate those "third version additional content" in a different game, instead of a classic third version.

    For Gen VI, they put the "third version content" in ORAS. In Gen V, it was in BW2.
    ORAS had no third game content and are strictly remakes. Black 2 and White were sequels.
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    I don't know to be honest, they're too unpredictable right now to know for sure in the future. I would like it if they do another pair of sequel games like B2W2.

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    Not sure whether no third version for XY is one-off thing due to Pokémon's 20th anniversary but as other users said that since third versions don't sell as well as the paired versions despite all the "bells and whistles" to make them superior to the originals we could be seeing an end to third versions.

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    They can't stop the third version thing at least until they've done one for their first ever 3D main series game. Especially when that game had Trainer Customization and all those Lumiose City goodies :'(
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsukuyomi56 View Post
    Not sure whether no third version for XY is one-off thing due to Pokémon's 20th anniversary but as other users said that since third versions don't sell as well as the paired versions despite all the "bells and whistles" to make them superior to the originals we could be seeing an end to third versions.
    One important thing to note is that while they might not sell as well, being mostly based upon an existing game cuts down production costs enormously. I would be willing to bet that third versions gross more money than the initial versions do.

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    As has been mentioned above, third versions reuse a lot of assets, so they presumably cost a lot less to make and take a shorter time to develop. Even if they sell less copies than the original pair, they still sell a lot and thus rake in cash. The worst selling third version, Emerald, sold 6.34 million copies. For reference, that's pretty close to Final Fantasy X, which sold 6.6 million and is one of the best-selling PS2 games.

    A lack of profit is not the issue here, because Game Freak clearly makes one from the third versions. They didn't make any for the past two Gens because they didn't want to, not because they were no longer profitable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexander18 View Post
    ORAS had no third game content and are strictly remakes. Black 2 and White were sequels.
    BW2 is a sequel, and ORAS is a remake. But both incorporate the "third version extra content" that Bw and. XY lacked.

    > BW didn't have a dedicated sidequest (Musicals are too simplistic) and BW2 added Pokestar Studios.
    > BW2 added PWT.
    > BW2 added Move Tutors

    > XY didn't have a Sidequest, ORAS added Contest Spectacaulars
    > ORAS added Pokemon League rematch teams
    > ORAS added Move Tutors

    All those features are usually not found in firts pairs, and are added in third versions, and since Gen V and VI didn't have a proper third version, the "extra content" is incorporated in BW2 and ORAS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boss1991 View Post
    BW2 is a sequel, and ORAS is a remake. But both incorporate the "third version extra content" that Bw and. XY lacked.

    > BW didn't have a dedicated sidequest (Musicals are too simplistic) and BW2 added Pokestar Studios.
    > BW2 added PWT.
    > BW2 added Move Tutors

    > XY didn't have a Sidequest, ORAS added Contest Spectacaulars
    > ORAS added Pokemon League rematch teams
    > ORAS added Move Tutors

    All those features are usually not found in firts pairs, and are added in third versions, and since Gen V and VI didn't have a proper third version, said third version extra content is incorporated in BW2 and ORAS.
    Speaking of 3rd versions, remakes, or remakes of BW2 more specifically, wonder how they'd handle 5th gen remakes. Would they remake both pairs of games?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ebevan91 View Post
    Speaking of 3rd versions, remakes, or remakes of BW2 more specifically, wonder how they'd handle 5th gen remakes. Would they remake both pairs of games?
    My best guess is it would be based on Black and White with a Black and White 2-inspired post game story, similar to the Delta Episode. Maybe we would even get to learn what the Original Dragon looked like in this story. Probably too early to be thinking about that though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ebevan91 View Post
    Speaking of 3rd versions, remakes, or remakes of BW2 more specifically, wonder how they'd handle 5th gen remakes. Would they remake both pairs of games?
    They will either remake BW, or not remake Gen V at all, now that we have VC releases available.

    They are obviously not remaking both games, and if they have to remake one, the original BW is obviously more iconic. Besides, it makes sense to remake the main story and not a sequel of it. They might include some BW2 post game locations, maybe even Pokestar Studios (unlikely) but probably not the PWT as it is too much effort to do, especially in 3D.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boss1991 View Post
    BW2 is a sequel, and ORAS is a remake. But both incorporate the "third version extra content" that Bw and. XY lacked.

    > BW didn't have a dedicated sidequest (Musicals are too simplistic) and BW2 added Pokestar Studios.
    > BW2 added PWT.
    > BW2 added Move Tutors

    > XY didn't have a Sidequest, ORAS added Contest Spectacaulars
    > ORAS added Pokemon League rematch teams
    > ORAS added Move Tutors

    All those features are usually not found in firts pairs, and are added in third versions, and since Gen V and VI didn't have a proper third version, the "extra content" is incorporated in BW2 and ORAS.
    BW had the search for the sages as a sidequest. XY had Looker Episode as sidequest along with Kiloude City. Move tutors and League rematch teams in ORAS are not third version content but they are post game content.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boss1991 View Post
    BW2 is a sequel, and ORAS is a remake. But both incorporate the "third version extra content" that Bw and. XY lacked.

    > BW didn't have a dedicated sidequest (Musicals are too simplistic) and BW2 added Pokestar Studios.
    > BW2 added PWT.
    > BW2 added Move Tutors

    > XY didn't have a Sidequest, ORAS added Contest Spectacaulars
    > ORAS added Pokemon League rematch teams
    > ORAS added Move Tutors

    All those features are usually not found in firts pairs, and are added in third versions, and since Gen V and VI didn't have a proper third version, the "extra content" is incorporated in BW2 and ORAS.
    Just as a little tip, Move Tutors are not "third game content". FRLG, prior to release of Emerald, included Move Tutors from Gen I TM list, just like ORAS did. If ORAS had third game Move Tutor content, it would have Generation VI moves as Move Tutors, just like any other Third Version including Black 2 and White 2 did.

    End of generation games such as Emerald, B2W2 and HGSS has also introduced new additions to breeding mechanics, which are not present in ORAS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexander18 View Post
    BW had the search for the sages as a sidequest. XY had Looker Episode as sidequest along with Kiloude City.
    That's not what they meant. They were meaning Contests, Pokeathlon, PokeStar, etc. XY has nothing like that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alexander18 View Post
    Move tutors and League rematch teams in ORAS are not third version content but they are post game content.
    E4 leveling up has been exclusive to third versions and remakes, with the exception of Black and White for E4 leveling. On the other hand, no main pair (bar remakes) has had move tutors outside of the Ultimate Moves (as of D/P, only FR/LG had them in Gen III), the Pledges (as of BW), Secret Sword and Relic Song (as of BW), and Draco Meteor (as of Gen IV).

    Thus, it isn't just 'post-game' content, it's post game third version/remake content.


    IMO, there's no need for third versions. To me, they just seem so unnecessary. They don't don't have all the version exclusives of the game, and all the spare content (facilities, move tutors, E4 rematches) can either be put into the main pair or into remakes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trainer Yusuf View Post
    Just as a little tip, Move Tutors are not "third game content". FRLG, prior to release of Emerald, included Move Tutors from Gen I TM list, just like ORAS did. If ORAS had third game Move Tutor content, it would have Generation VI moves as Move Tutors, just like any other Third Version including Black 2 and White 2 did.

    End of generation games such as Emerald, B2W2 and HGSS has also introduced new additions to breeding mechanics, which are not present in ORAS.

    You are free to make up any justifications you wish to, though.
    I am not making up justifications, I am just pointing out the obvious.

    You should go to Bulbapedia, just compare the Move Tutors for each game yourself.

    ORAS has those extra Move Tutors that only the last game of a generation has, aka third versions content. In fact, they are the *SAME* Move Tutors that BW2 has and BW/XY don´t have (plus 3 additional moves that BW2 didn´t have). So why are you counting them as "third version content Move Tutors" for BW2, but not for ORAS?

    Whether there are some new moves from the generation, is irrelevant, I don't understand why you are focusing on that. What matters is that they are the *special* Move Tutors that function with Battle Points/Shards and only appear in third versions, HGSS, BW2, and OR/AS.

    And the final games of previous generations (Emerald, HGSS, BW2) introduced some breeding additions, as you say, but so did the initial pair games before them, so how on Earth is this "third version content" at all? ORAS's breeding addition was to add a second daycare, to double the amount of breeding at the same time, instead of a new breeding mechanic, so ORAS still adds a breeding improvement, just not a mechanical one.

    But I don't think breeding additions can be considered "third version content", since those breeding additions in third versions are carried over to the initial pair game of the next generation, so there is nothing "third version exclusive" about them.

    Edit: more "third version additional content" shared between BW2 and ORAS are the Join Avenue daily tasks, which return in ORAS, and are done by Secret Pals in Super Secret Bases. The feature was absent from XY and BW. So yeah...
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